quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: I'd fucking love to be a fly on the wall when ben's kid tells him s/he is moving to London. (As s/he inevitably will...)
I'd be fully supportive - it's just a late adolescent phase people go through then grow out of, surely?
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Ally, I think you're unutterably wrong about Northern cities on a number of levels (apart from the football thing) but I also hope you have a mucho relaxing cup of tea and that bloke is alright.
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Deep down love it to my core. There is so much diversity and beauty and culture and history and excitment about London. I'm a Londoner before I'm English/British.
However:
Brighton is great. Good night life, good shopping, big open skies, bracing in winter. It's nice.
Edinburgh is exceptionally nice, but too fucking cold and dark in winter, and you have to tourist/media-twunt dodge in summer.
Ultimately though I think if I was going to move out of London it would probably be to move abroad, most likely to Spain as previously mentioned on these boards, but that won't be for a while yet.
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quote:Originally posted by Boy Racer: Ultimately though I think if I was going to move out of London it would probably be to move abroad, and that won't be for a while.
When I was in Stockholm the other week, I finally got that feeling of "I should definitely move here." I kind of got that feeling from my stay in Helsinki, but even moreso in Stockholm. I've even started casting around for possible jobs, and was quizzing the locals about it. It was like my whole mood shifted, and I suddenly felt 'This is where I should be'. I've never felt that before, never been that fussed about moving to foreign cities. But Stockholm was different, it just felt right.
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I know what you mean about Stockholm Thorn, actually there is a job going there with the company I work for and I've considered it.
I worked there for a while in 2001, it was the middle of winter and very cold and dark but still a great place to be.
If anything I thought it was a little too expensive at times, but I suppose that's something you adjust to or that would have to be reflected in the salary should the job be taken.
No Masky, still no thumbs on the IOW, what would they need them for ?
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I have been seriously thinking about moving out of London by 2010. I expect it might collapse when I leave, as the psychic foundations with which I've been supporting its architecture give way.
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Yanda, much as it pains me to say it as a Mancunian, but I would definitely give Leeds a closer look. One thing that Leeds has going for it is it's commutability from some genuinely nice places to live (York, Harrogate and the smaller towns in this region). Another is the city centre - the last few times I've shopped there, I've enjoyed great success and actually enjoyed the experience. Quite a revelation and something that I've not been able to say about Manchester for a good number of years. Just a personal preference really.
A bunch of surveys in recent months have consistently ranked Leeds as the best place to live in the country.
Another one to consider is Liverpool; quite a few friends have moved there in recent years and really rate the place.
Of course, you realise that I can never now return to Manchester...
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On a more practical note, Yanda, if you do decide to check Leeds out and want to have a look at possible areas to actually live in, I would recommend Roundhay, Oakwood, Chapel Allerton, Headingley... (basically north to north-east Leeds). Avoid all of south Leeds, and most of Leeds 17 (unless you're a nouveau riche).
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: When I was in Stockholm the other week, I finally got that feeling of "I should definitely move here."
When I was in Stockholm 2/3 years ago I felt like this too. It is a lovely place just to be in because (boringly) it is so clean and (cliche) so nicely designed. Also, there seemed to be an awful lot of attractive people there. Now there's a reason to emigrate; sexy locals.
In the UK I would mostly like to be living in Edinburgh.
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What is it with Stockholm? I would love to live there as well - it just seems so cool. I have only been there the once but you do get that feeling that you could just fit in quite nicely there. Darryn - whats the job their offering?
However how come there are so many suicides in Sweden - I believe it has one of the highest rates in the world? Does Stockholm behind that pleasant exterior hide an evil underground of pain and suffering - perhaps its all just a big trap?
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The job in Stockholm is for a Field Sales Engineer (basically installing local installation of our 'product') and doing demonstrations of how to modify our user interface.
It might be OK - Fem said I'd have to go on my own for 6 months to see if I like it, but I can probably swing it so it would be a week there and three here if I'm clever about it and can afford the flights..
Sweden has few drawbacks, good food, nice people and the whole suicide thing is not true..
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I used to do something called Burden of Disease, which calculated the major killers of the population per country. In Western Europe this was, as expected, heart disease and stroke and cancer and all those nasty diseases which are the result of actually having medical care and a good lifestyle; a doctor once memorably remarked to me that no-one in England dies of old age anymore.
But the stats for Moldova revealed that the three most common causes of death there were murder, suicide or car accident. Which is all rather appropos of nothing, except that perhaps moving to Moldova is probably about as recommendable as moving to the moon without a gravity suit.
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To add some balance to the debate a friend of mine was sent to work in Stockholm for 4 months and fucking hated it. She claims it is the most boring city in the world, and that it is near to impossible to buy vegetables, and even if you find some they are old and wrinkly. Oh, and strange booze regulations.
I have friends in Malmo in Sweeden which sounds lovely! There is a beach where you can go and look for lumps of amber like fossil hunting in Lyme Regis!
So there you go. All the information is in - time to make a decision!
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quote:Originally posted by Boy Racer:
quote:Originally posted by Louche: a doctor once memorably remarked to me that no-one in England dies of old age anymore.
Tell that to my Grandma.
Eh? What would be the point of me relaying to your grandma* a remark once made to me, with which I don't actually agree?
*assuming the good lady is still around to have that remark relayed to her, which from the gist of your post, I feel might not be the case.
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The point Louche would be that my Grandmother died at 92, not of a single chronic illness, but of a systematic failure of most of the organs of her body. Or in other words, old age.
Ben, watch some Aki Kaurismaki, or the Finnish section from Night on Earth, and you'll get the rough idea about Finland.
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One of my old school friends, who is all married and sprogged and dull, rang me at the weekend to ask my opinion on Australia as they are thinking of emigrating. She stated her main reason as "quality of life" which is a phrase I vaguely recall from GCSE Geography (which me and this friend mostly spent designing our Guns N' Roses themed wedding and writing hatemail to the Take That fan club) in association with shanty towns and inner city tower blocks in Glasgow. At present she lives in a quiet town in Herts with a well-paid husband.
I'm not sure how she has become convinced that Australians automatically have a better lifestyle. They don't even want to go somewhere vaguely good, ie the cosmopolitan cities like Sydney or Melbourne, but have set their hearts on some hicktown in Queensland because it has a really good local school. She claimed to have done lots of research on emigrating, and reckons that the Australian school system is shitloads better than ours and that the universities are really well-respected.
I find it interesting how many people assume Australians have this enviable lifestyle. Is it mainly the weather?
I told her to go to New Zealand.
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quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: One of my old school friends, who is all married and sprogged and dull
gosh I wonder if anyone here has friends who are all single and losers and lonely. I think you take my point! Your pal may of course be dull in any case, but you suggest the third term comes as inevitable consequence to the first and/or second.
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quote:Originally posted by Boy Racer: The point Louche would be that my Grandmother died at 92, not of a single chronic illness, but of a systematic failure of most of the organs of her body. Or in other words, old age.
B-but I'm not disputing this, nor am I disputing that people die of old age. In fact, you could have gleaned this from the bit where I said 'a remark made to me with which I don't actually agree'. I was anecdotally relaying something what someone once said to me and don't quite understand why you've taken this to be representative of what I think.
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Australia does look incredibly depressing on all those Get A New Life/No Going Back/A New Life Down Under sort of endless programmes. Having moved around the UK a bit over the last few years we know how you feel a bit isolated even if you're only four hours drive away from London, and still in the middle of your own culture and TV programmes and stuff. To troll over to the other side of the World to live in a sort of watered down, slightly more outdoorsy sort of version of the same life seems like a non-starter to me. I'd either want something completely different, or something exactly the same. Not similar but a bit warmer and a long way away.
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