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Originally posted by Darryn.R:
yes, but he has no dialog

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We've known for a couple weeks now that Jar Jar's lines have been cut. Originally, he had greeted the Jedi and/or Padme after the Space Battle and then tripped onto the Chancellor. I think at one point only the trip was cut.

But now the fact that this is cut is all but confirmed with the reviews we've gotten from users and Kevin Smith and Time and maybe others.

What was Lucas thinking? I've always thought of Lucas wanting to make his own story that he has in his head. I think he is lying to himself in respect to removing Jar Jar's lines. What a wuss!

What was the point of including Jar Jar so much in TPM if only to brush him off at the end as a character less important than Fang Zarr?

Does Lucas truly think that Revenge of the Sith has no place for Jar Jar Binks?

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
"Mercifully, Revenge Of The Sith is (deep sigh) light-years ahead of the turgid Menace and the undercooked Clones."
Empire Magazine [UK] | Colin Kennedy

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the film's centrepiece - the Podrace, a stunning melding of digital dexterity and editing pizzazz that renders The Matrix positively arthritic. Pulled by giant engines, a grid of wonderfully exotic speed demons take on Anakin through the perilous terrain of Tatooine rockery - little in recent cinematic memory has fuelled the blood so furiously. Between the pixels, Lucas juggles strangely moving interludes - Anakin's mother Shmi (Pernilla August) saying goodbye to her son, Amidala giving comfort to Anakin - with epic action building to the three way 'saber standoff between Jinn, Kenobi and Maul where the opera of The Phantom fulfils the mythic stature it always promised.

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In 1999, this very magazine awarded The Phantom Menace four stars. Going by that rationale, Attack of the Clones deserves, oh, twenty. Pity we can only give five. OK, Clones isn't the greatest film ever. It's not even the greatest Star Wars film ever, falling short of close relative The Empire Strikes Back. Yet it outstrips TPM completely, gives Return of the Jedi a run for its money and Steven Spielberg thinks it's better than A New Hope. Make no mistake, Star Wars is back.

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Originally posted by scrawny:
Even Lucas can't fuck it up. Can he?

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• Pace - There's an awful lot to fit in 140 mins.
• Hayden & Natalie's acting
• Baron Papanoida

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:

Hayden & Natalie's acting

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
The only aspects of the film that really worry me are:

• Hayden & Natalie's acting

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Originally posted by Meg:

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
The only aspects of the film that really worry me are:

• Hayden & Natalie's acting

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I can totally see where you're coming from. Hamill, Fisher and Ford were real Oscar contenders.

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Originally posted by Ringo:
On a slight tangent, I seem to recall that someone once created an edit of TPM which contained virtually no scenes of Jar Jar at all. Does anyone know if this is true, and if so whether it is available for download at all?

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Originally posted by Darryn.R:
Does Mark Kermode smell of pomade ?

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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Misc, where are you taking your reviews from? I read some on the BBC yesterday that were slightly less gushing. At least 50% mentioned oak-flavoured acting.

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Originally posted by Darryn.R:
Does Mark Kermode smell of pomade ?

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Originally posted by kovacs:
Our battle of the cult studs should be screened on BBC2 The Culture Show this Thurs. I hope I'm not awful on it or will regret mentioning it.

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Crime writer Ed McBain on turning real life into fiction, and on his own battle with cancer. Plus the best of British sculpture on display in rural Sussex, and the mysterious new game that's got players around the world competing for clues. Presented by Mariella Frostrup.

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We talk to crime writer Ed McBain. Plus why the best of British sculpture can be found in the heart of the Sussex countryside, and Mark Kermode on whether Star Wars represents the dark side of movie-making.

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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Does he still bang on about The Exorcist?

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My God does he ever. There were some exchanges TMO readers might find amusing, but that I think were cut to include tighter, more on-topic discussion: where Kermode called Star Wars childish and I told him he'd reviewed Batman and Robin as a "delightful romp" and listed Mary Poppins in the top 5 films of all time, and when he criticised Star Wars for ripping off and cheapening classic arthouse SF, to which I replied that he openly preferred Clooney's Solaris to Tarkovsky's.
 

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Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
 
so basically you were teh same on telly as you are on here?
bonza!
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Yes you would be proud. I hope they haven't cut it all down, or cut it out entirely, or that I don't look a total thalido. I had this space-Nazi type hairdo and a shiny canary-yellow silk handkerchief poking out of my jacket pocket.
 

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Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
 
oh do stop worrying you big gayer.
you savaged kermode.

most people would be happy with that.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 


How could you not love Kermode?
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Wow. He uses a lot of foundation.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
Wow. He uses a lot of foundation.

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Originally posted by doc d:
isn't there a female yoda?

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There is, and get this: Her name is *Yaddle...


 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
She looks like Mark Kermode.
 

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Posted by Mikie (Member # 783) on :
 
Me and a few friends will be ordering in the pizzas, getting the packets of crisps ready and sitting down to start a star wars marathon.

Watching episodes 1 and 2 back to back at home (with crisps pizza and possibly beer in tow) Then walking to cinema watching episode 3, walking home (picking up more pizza on way) to watch the original trilogy back to back.

Am yet undecided as to weather include the clone wars animated series in there as well.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mikie:
Am yet undecided as to weather include the clone wars animated series in there as well.

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You might as well make a proper night of it...


 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Thinking about Misc's thread title... they really should've released this movie on the 4th, shouldn't they?
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
yes there is Doc D, I belive she was called 'The Queen Mother' although sadly she passed away a while ago..
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
Thinking about Misc's thread title... they really should've released this movie on the 4th, shouldn't they?

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:

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Originally posted by Mikie:
Am yet undecided as to weather include the clone wars animated series in there as well.

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You might as well make a proper night of it...

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Oh dear god.... is it bad that im tempted just to see what their like
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Remember Generation Jedi too, if you want to see me with another hairdo.

And Star Wars Holiday Special for completists, surely. I have it on "divx" or something.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by kovacs:
Remember Generation Jedi too, if you want to see me with another hairdo.

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Originally posted by Mikie:
Oh dear god.... is it bad that im tempted just to see what their like

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Y..you don't remember Droids - The animated adventures of R2D2 and C3P0, starring the actual Anthony Daniels?


 

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Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
Y..you don't remember Droids - The animated adventures of R2D2 and C3P0, starring the actual Anthony Daniels?

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Sadly, I do. Didn't "Droids" chronicle the adventures of C-3PO and R2-D2 before their lives are changed forever by the arrival of Luke Skywalker?
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
If it did, that was a bit misguided as their lives were thoroughly eventful before they ever met Luke Skywalker -- both of them were involved in several galactic battles and epoch-shaping moments during the Prequel Trilogy.
 

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Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
Still, you can't argue that their lives were changed forever after meeting Skywalker. Who am I kidding? Of course you can.
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
Did Jabba feature in one episode? Or did I miss-remember that. I remember something about a giant robot god or gangster or something shit like that.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by Benny the Ball:
Did Jabba feature in one episode? Or did I miss-remember that. I remember something about a giant robot god or gangster or something shit like that.

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Originally posted by ralph:
Still, you can't argue that their lives were changed forever after meeting Skywalker. Who am I kidding? Of course you can.

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Lives, eh? I wonder if a droid can be considered to have a life?

More of a life than someone who spends part of his Tuesday evening posting about Star Wars on a message board, Misc...

A lifespan, perhaps - as you might describe the working existence of, say, a washing machine - but a life?

Stop it, Misc. This is neither the time nor the place. They don't serve your kind here.

[ 10.05.2005, 16:07: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
I never understood caravan of courage or ewok adventure - RotJ always implied to me that Ewoks and Humans hadn't mingled before, but they were set before star wars or around that time or something.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Look at this and fucking envy me. A pal of mine in the US mentioned, in a recent email, that Kelloggs had been issuing Sith spoons. Get me one, I said light-heartedly. Today he sent me one in a Jiffy bag.

My cereal will be TEH PWN3D

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When I met you, I was but a learner.



vhsssssh



Now I am the master.
 

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Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
 
you know. if anyone wants one of these. i can probably get them for you.
i may even send the cereal with it.

then you can battle kovacs at the breakfast table.
and pop his "i'm the master" bubble.
 

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Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
 

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Originally posted by doc d:
you know. if anyone wants one of these. i can probably get them for you.
i may even send the cereal with it.

then you can battle kovacs at the breakfast table.
and pop his "i'm the master" bubble.

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:

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Originally posted by Meg:

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
The only aspects of the film that really worry me are:

• Hayden & Natalie's acting

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I can totally see where you're coming from. Hamill, Fisher and Ford were real Oscar contenders.

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Right...

But people won't be watching RotS through the rose-tinted spectacles of TIME.

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Originally posted by Meg:
Crap acting is part of the reason I find SW so enjoyable, hence the sarcasm. The thought that people might want them to act 'properly' is, to me, just a wee bit strange and out of sync with what most of the lead actors have done in all the SW films.

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Originally posted by doc d:
you know. if anyone wants one of these. i can probably get them for you.

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Originally posted by doc d:
then you can battle kovacs at the breakfast table.
and pop his "i'm the master" bubble.

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Originally posted by Meg:
with what most of the lead actors

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Originally posted by Meg:

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Originally posted by Meg:
with what most of the lead actors

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Well, quite.

Although, none of the characters you mentioned have been entirely devoid of ham either.

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Of course. Lucas's clunky (or tongue-in-cheek?) dialog sees to that... and as you say, that's how it should be.
 

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Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
 
Oh Misc, are you still looking forward to this?
 

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Posted by scrawny (Member # 113) on :
 
...from a woman who says a film is ok by her as long as it contains enough pictures of horses?
 

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Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
 
Are there horses in Aggressive Noun of the Made Up Name?
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Surely Kingdom of Heaven has some horses in it, as well as your favourite little flower of an actor.
 

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Posted by scrawny (Member # 113) on :
 

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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Are there horses in Aggressive Noun of the Made Up Name?

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To this I cannot testify, although a quick Google would suggest not.

Misc, are there horses in Revenge of the Sith?

And in all seriousness VP, do you not like Star Wars? I would have thought that it shared enough elements with LOTR (epic journeys, a struggle between the forces of good and evil, a plucky alliance fighting to save the world, big fuck-off battle scenes, fantasical creatures, vaguely Jungian notions of Dark Sides, on-off love interest) for you to rate it.
 

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Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
 
I love the original Star Wars, Scrawny. You'd have had to have been a fairly miserable kid not to enjoy them. The recent messy versions have left me cold, except for:

Liam Neeson
The nicely choreographed final fight between Obi Wan and Darth Maul
Amidala's costumes

Nothing from the second one, except a bit of Christopher Lee is always nice.

See the Film 2005 thread for my horsey review of Kingdom of Pretty Boy Heaven, kovacs.

[ 11.05.2005, 05:11: Message edited by: Vogon Poetess ]
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by scrawny:
And in all seriousness VP, do you not like Star Wars? I would have thought that it shared enough elements with LOTR (epic journeys, a struggle between the forces of good and evil, a plucky alliance fighting to save the world, big fuck-off battle scenes, fantasical creatures, vaguely Jungian notions of Dark Sides, on-off love interest) for you to rate it.

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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
The recent messy versions have left me cold, except for:

Liam Neeson
The nicely choreographed final fight between Obi Wan and Darth Maul
Amidala's costumes

Nothing from the second one, except a bit of Christopher Lee is always nice.

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It seems that Vogon is more interested in the actors and costumes than any of the themes that Scrawny mentioned. Is this also true of her LotR fandom?


 

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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
 
Tell us about the horses.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
There is a Jedi horse called Blaak Byoo-Tee who wields a lightsaber with her mouth. She dies early on in the film, after a strenuous duel with the mysterious Count Dooku. The following morning, Anakin wakes face to face with Blaak's disembodied head.
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
The acting isn't bad in Empire Strikes Back. Star Wars is lacking some talent as so many are young nobods, except for Tarkin and Kenobi.

Jedi had terrible acting, Darth Vader is the only one with anything like acting going on.

New ones have been hammy or annoying, except for Liam Neeson in 1 and Ewan in 2. Christopher Lee is always good, but I hated Yoda's lightsabre bit too much.

Misc. the question about jabba and giant robot gods was about Droids...
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by Benny the Ball:
Misc. the question about jabba and giant robot gods was about Droids...

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Originally posted by Benny the Ball:
Jedi had terrible acting, Darth Vader is the only one with anything like acting going on.

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Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
It's a Bristolian in a suit...

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The Farce is strong with this one.

[ 11.05.2005, 06:27: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
NWoD, I was highlighting how bad I thought that the acting was. The only time someone made a face that conveyed anything like real emotion was the reflections of lights across Darth's helmet when he chucks the emperor down the shaft.
 

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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
 
lol, I know the scene.
 

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Posted by Mikie (Member # 783) on :
 

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:

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Originally posted by Mikie:
Oh dear god.... is it bad that im tempted just to see what their like

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Y..you don't remember Droids - The animated adventures of R2D2 and C3P0, starring the actual Anthony Daniels?

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Originally posted by doc d:
misc mail me.

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I don't think I have your address.
 

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Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
 
d_marlee
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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
 

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Originally posted by doc d:
NWOD: send me mail again, i can pick up those records and get them over to you today as well.

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Oh aye will do. Let me do it now. Thanksir.
 

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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
 
It keeps rejecting. I'd mail from home but my PC went gay when the electricity turned off.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
I tried @yahoo.com but it got returned, so I tried @yahoo.co.uk. I think this might have worked.


 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
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Employers are expected to see a dramatic spike in absenteeism as workers play hooky to see "Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith," when it opens May 19, according to a new report.

That loss of productivity could cost employers as much as $627 million in the first two days that the picture — the last installment of the epic sci-fi series — hits theaters.

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Originally posted by Mikie:
Alas I was a child of the 80s and anything I saw before the 90s is but a blur of a memory..... I do vaguely remember the Ewoks one though.

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Originally posted by Teflon:
OH BTW All six Star Wars movies have only thrown up one acting oscar nom. No prizes for guessing who it was for.

And no it WAS NOT Brian Blessed in episode one.

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Remember gang -- 7pm tonight, BBC2!
 

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Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
 
You should "host" a "live web chat" by making a thread where we can all post comments and fashion/hairstyle critiques as we watch. KOVACS V KERMODE - THE GIANTS LOCK HORNS - QUIFF OR SPIKES - THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE WINNER -

etc
 

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Posted by OJ (Member # 752) on :
 

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Originally posted by kovacs:
Remember gang -- 7pm tonight, BBC2!

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Ah, mixed-reality gaming, Laurie Anderson and the future of British Sculpture. Fab. What's that Mark Kermode going to be talking about again ;-)
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
I love the cpation if you hover over the picture of Kermode on the Culture show website
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
I heard that Mark Komode is completely cgi-ed and that Kovacs actually conducted the debate towards a tennis ball.
 

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Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
 

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Originally posted by Darryn.R:
I love the cpation if you hover over the picture of Kermode on the Culture show website

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Originally posted by London:
It is very tiresome.

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Originally posted by London:
Now you have to put 'Girl with red hair sitting at desk, wearing blouse she bought on eBay, with an empty water bottle beside her, crying on the inside because she is hungover and depressed because she recently suffered an ectopic pregnancy, but has kept this hidden from her lover because she has been pretending to be on the pill.' It is very tiresome.

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
But who's going to bother reading all that?
Especially if they're blind..!

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Well, they don't really have to read it. They will have software which will read it out loud to them. So it's more 'listening' really. Listening to mama internet.
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
How does that software work ?

OK, I understand it reads what is on the page, but how do you use a mouse if you're blind ?

So you type in say *www.bbc.co.ck* and get to the main site.
The software reads the main site and then says "Click here to go to entertainment" and then what happens ???

Have you had a go with the software ?

I think I'd have put "Mark Kermode looking smug"

But then again does a blind person know what 'smug' looks like ?

Or a desk ?

Right bag of worms really...
 

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Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
 
wait you already said that durr

[ 12.05.2005, 09:59: Message edited by: London ]
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
I don't think I will let Peter from "Heat" style my hair like that again
 

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Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
 
Why did you let them bleach your teeth?
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Those aren't real teeth.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
They took six words from my first rehearsed 30 second pitch and spliced it together with a sentence from an hour later, ie. "Star Wars is so important because many people have taken career inspiration from Star Wars." Mongs! Never mind my Grandma said I "had a good innings" on that show, fucking hell I might as well die now I suppose.
 

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Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
 
You reminded me of Morrissey.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Thanks I have gone from this ---> that

that was a nice thing to say London.
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
You were the only one that came off okay. Komododode's eye rolling was a bit much, the girl was a bit nnnggghh, and the tech guy was just that.
 

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Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
 
EPISODE VII: CLASH OF TEH PLASTIC HAIR MEN

I didn't brief D that I was expecting you to be on this and she squealed with delight when you appeared on our tele. Overall, a good performance, and it was fairly obv. that they'd hacked your spiel into bitesize chunks.

Was Kermit deliberately going for an Alan Sugar-type vibe? I also got the impression from the woman that they'd coerced her into doing the 'Leia buns' gag - she looked mightily pissed off.

Later in the show, the Ed McBain package left me completely baffled - the bits of dialogue that were quoted were about as 'crackling' and 'hard-boiled' as puréed wolf cock.
 

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Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
 

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
"Will be remembered as one of the greatest movies ever made. 'Classic' isn't kind enough a word for this gem. The best film to be unleashed onto the public in 25 years!"
Juicy Cerebellum | Alex Sandell

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As an actor Christensen must show the terrible embryo of future wickedness within himself. And how does he do this? By tilting his head down, looking up through lowered brows and giving the unmistakable impression that he is very, very cross. If Princess Diana had gone to the Dark Side, she would have looked a lot like this.

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Oh dear! Caution, young Jedi, that review contains spoilers - though you probably all know the script back-to-front anyway.

Next!
 

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Posted by scrawny (Member # 113) on :
 
Kovacs we thought you were great - you came a cross as mich more intelligent than Kermode who looked like a small child pretending to be Dr Evil, sticking his fingers into his ears and going 'laa la laaa I hate Star Wars I don't care what you say look I can't hear you laa laa laaaaa' every time anyone said anything valid.

Eejit.

ETA God that review is depressing Ben

[ 13.05.2005, 04:57: Message edited by: scrawny ]
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
I thought you came across pretty well, Kovacs. K'mode made himself look stupid with his refusal to respond to anyone's argument with more than a:

"Hmm, whatever" *Shrugs*

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Let's see if anyone can convince me that Star Wars isn't shit.

Well? Hmm?

No, it's shit. I don't necessarily think you're all wankers of the highest order anymore, but it's still shit. So there.

I'll have a look at Episode III, because it might be better, but...

I know it won't.

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Or to put it another way: What Scr'orny said. I found it interesting that the guests weren't allowed to sit down. not sure if this was down to a lack of funding at the BBC, or some kind of inferiority complex on the part of K'mode.

Sidenote:
I hadn't realised that you'd morphed into an elongated Jimmy Somerville in the years since I last saw you!

[ 13.05.2005, 05:23: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Thanks I appreciate these nice comments! It seems I look like a camp 80s frontman on television. It was all absurdly artificial for a "debate" -- even at the time, our spontaneous discussion had to be reproduced in chunks again, and they cut even the chunks up into mini-chunks, out of sequence and interrupted by mini-mini clips. Every shot in that 7 minute section was probably 2 seconds.

I think Kermode was certainly deliberately mugging and playing a pantomime role, in fairness to him.
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
I caught the girl with the buns and the other guy so I missed our KO by mere minutes, shame as I was going to digitally alter the sound for TMO style fun but I missed him..

THEN I fell asleep before the repeat, Commode did act like a prize 'dippity bix' though just because he dosn't like Star Wars..

I bet he's waiting for the Quantum leap movie
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Lol "fame" beckons, I am getting dissed on Barbelith's ROTS thread by someone who doesn't even know me from Barbelith.
 

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Posted by Bandy (Member # 12) on :
 
I thought you looked a bit like a Bond villain.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Remember gang -- The Scotsman newspaper on Saturday is the next highlight in this week of "glory".
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
Kovacs - you got Hotdog this month? It's got a big batman thing in it, and the fitasfuck mrs Fantastic Alba on the cover.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
No I have not, but thank you.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
OMG!!! What have they done to Natalie Portman?!





At the end of RotS, Anakin shows off his MadSaberSkillz by close-shaving Padmé. Master Yoda sits at the Jedi Council watching holographic footage of Anakin's work:


"Shaven, Senator Amidala may be, but as attractive, she no longer is. Shaving leads to stubble. Stubble leads to itching. Itching leads to... The Dark Side!"


"Anakin has gone too far this time. Only the influence of the Sith could cause him to act this way."


"For a suitable hairpiece, we must look."
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
I think we all know this is for V For Vendetta.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
Kovacs = Robert Killjoy Silk.
 

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Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
 
Dewds! Leicester Square is crawling with stormtroopers! And Jedi knights! And a Darth Vader! Though he's not quite so convincing - his cape appeared to be fashioned from a nylon bedsheet, dyed black. Not fitted, thankfully.

Word has it the Jedis were sharing an invigorating pint or two in the All Bar One. It's going to kick off!
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by herbs:
Word has it the Jedis were sharing an invigorating pint or two in the All Bar One.

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Anyone in the area with a camera should take some snaps so we can laugh at the dodgy costumes and disappointingly plastic lightsabers.

Kovacs will probably pop up shortly to remind you that the plural of Jedi is simply Jedi.

Like sheep.
 

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Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
 
"my friend doesn't like you"
"er"
"you're supposed to say "i'll be careful"
"look mate do you want a fucking pint of stella or what?"
"er. yes. please. two. and can we see the menu?"
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 






It's "he doesn't like you".
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
kovacs is becoming a bit of a feature on the Beeb, isn't he? Maybe they're grooming him as a presenter..?

I'll tell you who else is on the telly all the time (he was on that same show last night) that hairy West Country **** . He is fucking dire. He must have a mate who's a producer or something, 'cause he's not fucking funny.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
I'll tell you who else is on the telly all the time (he was on that same show last night) that hairy West Country **** . He is fucking dire. He must have a mate who's a producer or something, 'cause he's not fucking funny.

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FAQ U.


 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
That's him. He thinks he's fucking hilarious. He constantly wears this expression like the next thing out of his mouth is going to be the funniest fucking thing ever. The only thing he could possibly say that would make me laugh is "I have AIDS of the eyes!" And only then if it was true and he had a letter from his doctor to prove it.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Sorry, this is a bit big.


 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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That's him.

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Sorry, this is a bit big.

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Thanks Misc. You would like Leicester Square today.

Yes, Prowse looks like he has been in the wars alright. I didn't know where to look when I was talking to him. After a few minutes of him asking me for sales tips, I found I was really sweating from discomfort and had to go.

I didn't talk to that hairy guy.

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 

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You would like Leicester Square today.

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You stuck up, scruffy looking nerf hearder.

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
time of death 16:30....
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 

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Originally posted by kovacs:


Yes, Prowse looks like he has been in the wars alright. I didn't know where to look when I was talking to him. After a few minutes of him asking me for sales tips, I found I was really sweating from discomfort and had to go.

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lol

And to think, they spunked all that money on another guy and a make-up artist when they took his helmet off.
 

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Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
 


I'll never join you, you crazy kids.



If you only knew the power of the dark side of the road. Tufty never told you what happened to your father.



He told me enough. He told me you killed him. You told him not to look left and right.



No. I am your father.

Shocked, Alvin looks at Green Cross Code Man in utter disbelief.



No. No. That's not true! That's kerrazy!



Search your feelings. You know it to be true.


No! No! No!



Alvin. You can destroy the congestion charge. Emperor Livingstone has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and together we can rule the South Circular as father and son. Come with me. It is the only way.


A calm comes over Alvin, and he makes a decision. In the next instant he steps off the pavement and into the road. The Dark Lord looks over the road and closes a gloved fist as a milk float clatters into Alvin and drags the young jedi out of sight.


God that's lame.

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Who's scruffy-looking?
 

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Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 


"Some people will think I'm a neo-Nazi or that I have cancer or I'm a lesbian."
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
I think she looks great. Those glasses really suit her.
 

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Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
 
she'll be ripping up photos of the pope next


but, you know, she's still fucking pretty, i could still watch her forever

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Anyone who hated Young Anakin... time has enabled your revenge. Check dis


 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
Black Mask - lol.

There's always been something wrong with her mouth (I'll avoid the obvious 'my dicks not in it' gag here - and yet still manage to use it!) something that looks as though her gums and lips are joined together that bothers me.
 

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Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
 

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Anyone who hated Young Anakin... time has enabled your revenge. Check dis

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For added value, squint you eyes and pretend he has a tight pursed smile and a jaunty french moustache.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
No, wait a minute... if I squint and think "moustache" I get Charlie Chaplin. What are you thinking of?
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
I got Blakey.

'oh, I 'ate you Jar Jar'
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
When do you think was the last time he said "Yippee!" ?
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
Blimey, I'd believe that kid grew up to be the Dark Sith Lord why didn't Lucas just stick with him - he could have dragged the franchise out for a few more years that way and there would have been no need for a lava fight he already needs the big black hat by the look of it...



"that's better"

[ 18.05.2005, 05:23: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
Well I'm off home, and then on to the cinema for an early morning showing.

I might write a review tomorrow.
 

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Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
 
Did somebody say on a previous page/different thread that they never hated Star Wars until these new films? I can't be bothered to read those pages to find out. Because if they did, then that's exactly how I feel on the subject. I mean, I liked Star Wars as much as the next (sane) kid but remaking the old movies and then making 3 more has kind of ruined the whole thing. I will be glad when May 19 is long long gone and we can forget about all this silliness.
 

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Posted by discodamage (Member # 66) on :
 
yes.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
I liked it.
 

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Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
 
After not contributing very much with my last comment, I will now contribute something Star Wars related.

Everyone should go and somehow acquire a copy of anything by j-something middleoftheroaders Guitar Vader. I particularly recommend the almost certainly intentionally Engrish All the people envy new my guitar.

It's not that they're necessarily good. It's just that you may or may not find it preferable to watching the new Star Wars movie. But, yeah, if it weren't for Star Wars, they wouldn't have been called Guitar Vader and we all would have been less likely to have heard of them. Unless they had been called like The Indianna Jones Family or something. So yay for Star Wars!
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
By Tatooine! I am something of a SW fan, but in the words of Han Solo, "these guys must really be desperate."

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Life After Revenge of the Sith

Posted By Scott on May 16, 2005
As I walked out of a screening of Revenge of the Sith, I was left with mixed emotions. I was excited to have just seen the final prequel, but I was also sad that it was finally all over. I was left thinking, “Now what?” And as I thought about it, I realized there’s quite a bit for Star Wars fans to look forward to. So as you walk out of the theater and your eyes adjust to the light again, here are a few things to remind you that the Force will be with you….always:

- Revenge of the Sith DVD (Fall 2005) – Around October or November you can look forward to getting ROTS on DVD. It will have all sorts of deleted scenes on it and all the great “making of” features we’ve seen in the past. Look for yet another big Burger King promotion to coincide with this.


- Droids and Ewoks Series DVDs (2006?) – Sure, they already released Droids and Ewoks on DVD, but these weren’t the entire series. LFL hinted that DVDs of the entire series were in the works, but no release date was mentioned. Some time in 2006 might be a logical time to release them.

- Computer Animated Clone Wars Cartoons (2006?) – Some time late in 2006 we might be able to expect the first of the new Star Wars TV series we’ve been hearing about. Let’s not forget toys and merchandise associated with this, too.


- Star Wars Saga DVDs (2007?) – We all know they’re going to release all six Star Wars movies in one massive DVD package. The question is when will it take place and what will be on it? I’m sure Lucas will tinker with all the films again for this release. Look for all the vintage “making of” shows as well as other goodies not released before. Start saving pennies now.

- Star Wars Live Action Series (2007?) – With fans like Kevin Smith on board to contribute, Lucas looks like he’s on the right path for this already.

- Star Wars – 3-D (Unknown?) – Lucas has shown a strong commitment towards putting all six Star Wars movies back on the big screen in 3-D, so not only will old fans get to enjoy them in a new way, but young kids will get a chance to seem them the way they were meant to be seen – on the big screen. I’m sure the 3-D effects will dazzle even jaded Star Wars fans.

- Books and Comics (Ongoing) – There’s lots of stuff to look forward to in the books and comics. You’ve got James Luceno's novel set between Episodes 3 and 4 - Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader. You can probably expect books and comics featuring the TV series characters in the future, too.

- Toys and Specialty Items (Ongoing) – Not only can you continue to expect more toys from the movies, but you can probably expect more toys from the animated and live action TV series, too. Not only that, but Gentle Giant has barely even started putting out mini-busts associated with Revenge of the Sith. (Can’t wait for a General Grievous bust!)

- Video Games (Ongoing) - LucasArts has been using outside developers to produce its most recent games, and we expect this trend to continue. The games have recently centered around Star Wars, and there's now plenty of opportunities to expand that universe.


So as you can see, there’s still a lot of life in the Star Wars franchise. There are still spoiler to look forward to, adventures to keep fans entertained, and more. It doesn’t appear that Star Wars will go into carbon freeze mode like it did between Return of the Jedi and the Special Editions.

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Thanks For 20 Years of Fun, George!

Item! As I walked out of a screening of Revenge of the Sith, I was left with mixed emotions. Natalie Portman's pregnancy was well-disguised in most shots, but couldn't George have used some of that Computer-Generation Imagery to hide it better? I'm "expecting" we'll see another little Portman running around soon... my money's on June. I'm sure Natalie can regain her figure by the time she shoots V for Vengeance.

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Bryan: Now you've touched on the big question, master. Which is, was this whole prequel thing a gigantic waste of time? The 16-year interregnum between Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace was a time of peace in the Galactic Republic. I barely thought about Star Wars. OK, not quite true. I bought three Star Wars video games. I read at least five novels, the final of which was called The Courtship of Princess Leia, about which I shall say no more. I saw the original trilogy countless times on videotape and at least twice in the theater. But given the early-1980s hysteria, it wasn't not much. Then 1999 comes along, and we get all psyched up, studying the trailers like the Zapruder film and salivating over every bit Lucas unleashes on the Internet. The first two movies were fairly wretched. And even though Revenge of the Sith was decent—decent—I can't help but feel I've sorta wasted six years of my life on this crap. A more frightening thought: If the new films mar the original trilogy, it means we wasted three decades of our lives on this crap.

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
Cheapskates can find a 1.43GB DVD-R on TorrentSpy.

Not that I'm endorsing illegal downloads or anything of the sort.

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Bollocks !

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Lucas has enough money he don't need my cinema ticket...

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Hell, the licensing deals alone have already recouped the cost of production, before the first ticket was sold.

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Originally posted by discodamage:
george lucas hasd more money than at least 8 african countries. facked, and i mean that in both immediately understood senses of the misspelt word.

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Originally posted by vikram:
So what?

I really don't get teh justifications for piracy. They all seem pretty lame to me. It isn't anyone's right to watch a movie or listen to a piece of music. I hope the films companies sue each and every one of you thieves!

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please justify film piracy, black mask. go on. i'd like to hear your learned explantion of why it is a good thing and should go unpunished.

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Piracy should go unpunished because it obviously sticks in the craw of puffed-up, spoiled, over-privileged milksops who idle their time away on the backs of others. It irritates people whose idea of achievement is having an erection. It is troubling to vapid, soulless parasites who swan around wondering why there isn't someone scattering rose-petals beneath their feet.

That is why piracy should go unpunished.

Okay?
 

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Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
 
What I don't understand is why DVDs are cheaper than CDs even though they must take a lot more money to make, a lot more people to make, have loads of extras, bigger packaging, and last about five times longer than a standard album.

And I know that a blockbuster DVD will probably sell about fifty times more than a blockbuster album, but even rubbish, indie, straight-to-DVD DVDs are cheaper than CDs.

What really obvious factor have I completely failed to spot here?
 

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Posted by Sleeper Service (Member # 314) on :
 

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Originally posted by vikram:
please justify film piracy, black mask. go on. i'd like to hear your learned explantion of why it is a good thing and should go unpunished.

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That is why piracy should go unpunished.

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
Piracy should go unpunished because it obviously sticks in the craw of puffed-up, spoiled, over-privileged milksops who idle their time away on the backs of others. It irritates people whose idea of achievement is having an erection. It is troubling to vapid, soulless parasites who swan around wondering why there isn't someone scattering rose-petals beneath their feet.

That is why piracy should go unpunished.

Okay?

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Plus I think Steelgate said it was OK once.

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Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
 

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Do you believe that piracy is KILLING THE INDUSTRY, AIDING TERRORISM AND MAKING SMALL THIRD WORLD CHILDREN CRY, Vikram?

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But I resent my pound coins helping to bloat his bank balance and ego further, in exchange for lazy, mediocre product.

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No, but I do think it is theft and call me crazy but I though stealing was wrong? Or is that too 1950s for you?

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Um, you could try not watching this lazy, mediocre product.

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Certainly. It's the fact that it could and should be good, and promised so much with that first "little Anakin with Vader's shadow" poster, which was the only exciting thing about the whole prequel farce.

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
Going back on my previous post slightly...

I don't really understand the argument that "Lucas has enough money he don't need my cinema ticket". Perhaps he does have enough moeny, but does that mean that he doesn't deserve any further takings, after the film has broken even? Would it be different if Lucasfilm were a small independent company who risked everything in making the film? Would that make it wrong to download a pirated copy?

Is it down to some sense of supporting the underdog, and despising the successful?

It's not like the film companies force people to visit the cinema or buy DVDs. People do it because they want to. Why should they be able to get it for free, just because the filmmakers are already rich? Haven't these companies earnt this money, in some sense?

I occasionally download pirated movies, music, etc.
But at least I can admit that it's wrong.

[ 19.05.2005, 09:18: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
 

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Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
 

Stop! Stop! This degrading squabble over a stupid puppet show for retards is tearing us apart!
 

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Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
 

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I don't really understand the argument that "Lucas has enough money he don't need my cinema ticket". Would it be different if Lucasfilm were a small independent company who risked everything in making the film? Would that make it wrong to download a pirated copy?

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I admit that with Lucasfilm it is different. There are plenty of absurdly rich men in the entertainment business, most of whom got their millions from enterprises far less exhilarating and imaginative than the first Star Wars. As I say though, with Lucas it seems more personal. Perhaps it's because most people have such fond memories of Star Wars from their childhood (when your parents paid for your tickets and bought toys for you), that it seems even more insulting to have to pay to witness something Good become something Bad through laziness and greed. And greed is something that is undeniably associated with Lucas, what with his unnecessary tinkering with re-releases.

To me, it's a bit rude to pirate non-mainstream stuff from struggling independent companies. With Lucas, I don't care.
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
To be totally honest Misc I don't really know what I mean't by it either..


I'll 'borrow' a copy of this from online because I want to be able to discuss it here but can neither afford to go to the cinema to see it, fancy sitting around listening to strangers yak, fart and eat skittles all through it and find a baby sitter who is happy to take Beckett for a couple of hours while I watch something that will probably just leave me feeling let down..

George Lucas does have a lot of money though so I don''t feel as bad as I do for having downloaded the likes of Napoleon Dynamite and Garden State neither of which have made it to DVD in Holland or had a run at the Cinema so had I wanted to see them it would have cost me a flight or ferry to the UK plus the cost of a ticket..

(As we were there last Sunday I know that works out to 118 Euro for the ferry, 70 Euro for petrol and and three hour drive there, three hour drive back and two hours on a boat plus say a tenner each (??) for tickets - total amount = 218 Euro)

The stuff I do download is usually stuff I would otherwise be exposed to being here..

Same with music, no Dutch radio station is going to play Maximo Park/Dogs Die In Hot Cars/the Futureheads so if I want to decide if the CD is worth buying internet so called 'pirates' are one of my only ways of getting a sample to listen to.

Then if I like it I buy it...

*Note to self - Must order those two films from Play when I have cash..

*I have an interview at Dell Computers on Tuesday, well paid possibly interesting job so if I got that I could afford it..

*Thanks to those who donated recently (you know who you are) it was appreciated greatly

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Posted by Bamba (Member # 330) on :
 
What about the flipside of the argument? That by paying to watch/rent/buy a film you're effectively promising your money in exchange for something you'll enjoy, something that'll entertain you, so if you go and see a film that's utterly shite (let's take the first two Star Wars films for the sake of an example) shouldn't you be due a refund? The product wasn't fit for purpose, it didn't entertain and wasn't enjoyable. As soon as film makers start offering this kind of schemefor stealing not only your money but time out of your life I'll start giving a shit about piracy.
 

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Is it down to some sense of supporting the underdog, and despising the successful?

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I occasionally download pirated movies, music, etc.
But at least I can admit that it's wrong.

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*Thanks to those who donated recently (you know who you are) it was appreciated greatly

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something Good become something Bad through laziness and greed. And greed is something that is undeniably associated with Lucas, what with his unnecessary tinkering with re-releases.

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I think its fair to say greed plays a big role in merchandising but dont forget people DO buy all that crap. They want to buy it.

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At least you feel like some of your cinema ticket / DVD money is going to be used for something that might affect the medium... (tenuous perhaps)

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that something so weak as bad dreams and pride makes him turn to the bad side.

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Since Attack of the Clones, Hayden Christensen, especially, and Natalie Portman have honed their acting, but Lucas’ staging of their intimate moments comes across as wooden, as if they were the leads in a high school production of Romeo and Juliet.

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what we gain from watching Revenge of the Sith is details. These events come to life and we are presented with the opportunity to understand the particulars of each event. The jigaw puzzle is complete. In the process, Vader has been humanized in a way that even the ending of Return of the Jedi was unable to accomplish. It will not be possible to watch the original trilogy in the same way again. Revenge of the Sith changes everything

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Lucas makes the first appearance of the black mask and costume a moment of profound sadness. In that moment, we aren't so much experiencing the emergence of Vader as we are seeing the final death throes of Anakin. And, while there's an admitted thrill to hearing the voice of James Earl Jones, the content of some of Jones' lines is unlike anything we have previously heard from the voice-box of Vader. Not all eyes will be dry by the end of Revenge of the Sith. It has an emotional kick that no Star Wars film other than The Empire Strikes Back has achieved.


...

Revenge of the Sith starts out a little unfocused. While there's plenty of action in the first hour, the direction of the storyline is uncertain. By the time the film has reached its halfway point, however, and Anakin's moral compass has been shattered, the picture picks up a momentum that never flags.

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So - "all bases covered". As usual, if you don't enjoy the new Star Wars film it's your own god-damned fault.


DELETED SCENE: Bounty hunter Gnowles-i-Vacs disembarks at Mos Eisley spaceport.
 

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It will not be possible to watch the original trilogy in the same way again. Revenge of the Sith changes everything

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I agree with that. The one aspect of the prequels I really liked was the sense that the polical conspiracy, although seemingly flimsy, actually worked quite well. The manner in which Palpatine made sure that the clone troops were on as many planets as possible, and made sure that the Jedi's guard was down (with only Yoda seemingly aware of something coming and seemingly accepting it as a Jedi, as not holding onto the present) when he struck was well played in this film.

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So - "all bases covered". As usual, if you don't enjoy the new Star Wars film it's your own god-damned fault.

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So - "all bases covered". As usual, if you don't enjoy the new Star Wars film it's your own god-damned fault.

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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
I'm interested that you enjoyed it kovacs, but this sentiment disturbs me slightly. I'm not sure if I want the original trilogy changed. I like Vader in IV and V. I like the mystery about his past and that exactly why he turned EVIL is not fully explained (can such changes ever be totally clear?). This has put me off seeing Revenge of the Sith more than the thought of clunky lines and acting. Do you know of any purists who refused to see any of the prequels?

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
If you refuse to see the film, how can you possibly know if you'd have enjoyed it or not?

Surely there's not much point in continuing to bash RotS and poke fun at those who sing its praises when others have seen it, and you have no basis for your argument.

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Originally posted by ben:
if I go to see it and it's shit (very likely, on the evidence of the two preceding films) then Lucas has 'won'. There's no way I can claim that money back and, so far as Lucas is concerned, I'm a faithful consumer who paid to see all three films.

It's telling that, for all its mythic status (not to mention colossal box office/spin-off receipts) fans are so touchy about the franchise that they want to foreclose or preempt any critcism at all of this thing into which they've invested so heavily.

No, fuck it. I'm not joining the rest of the livestock who found the first two films disappointing but will still hand over good money to "see if it's any better".

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Darth-Notorious
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Date Posted: 5/19 2:11am Subject: Did anybody else Cry?
Yo I starting crying like a little girl around the last fight....which sucks cause Im like the bigest dude on the football team....shhhh dont say a word.

I mean really crying yo....like if somebody close to me died....than when ANIE lit up....OMG....I did that sucky Air, cant breath thingy.......My girl LOL at me.....

did anybody else feel the same way?


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Date Posted: 5/19 2:12am Subject: RE: Did anybody else Cry?
i started tearing up when mace pwned palps...omg i love this movie. i was in tears during the duel, so frickin emotional man, only movie i have ever cried in

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
If you refuse to see the film, how can you possibly know if you'd have enjoyed it or not?

Surely there's not much point in continuing to bash RotS and poke fun at those who sing its praises when others have seen it, and you have no basis for your argument.

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On the other hand, if I go to see it and it's shit (very likely, on the evidence of the two preceding films) then Lucas has 'won'. There's no way I can claim that money back and, so far as Lucas is concerned, I'm a faithful consumer who paid to see all three films.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
But Misc, you disappoint me too with your one-line review. You're the one who's been keeping the faith for months.

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In Return of the Jedi they’ve speed built another replacement Death Star but in just a fraction of the time..

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In Return of the Jedi they’ve speed built another replacement Death Star but in just a fraction of the time..

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Different contractors?

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In Return of the Jedi they’ve speed built another replacement Death Star but in just a fraction of the time..

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Different contractors?

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
If the 'donut' theory of space is correct

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Originally posted by Vogon Poetess:
Did you ever read The Science of Star Trek, Statist?

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Originally posted by statist:
siens

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Could the absence of a Death Star have gravity?

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Originally posted by statist:
just repositioned slightly.

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You mean 'slightly' as in 'all over the universe'?
 

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Anakin, pondering the future.
 

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Anakin, consumed with hate.
 

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Anakin, a tender moment.
 

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Huh, waddayaknow. I just made the donut-thing up. Could the absence of a Death Star have gravity?

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
You mean 'slightly' as in 'all over the universe'?

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Well, that depends. If the energy of the initial explosion was enough to give each particle a velocity greater than the original escape velocity in the centre of mass reference frame, then yes. Else, self attrcation will eventially slow the bits down and they will fall back together. Whether or not they fall into exactly the same positions and recreate the death star is another matter. The odds are small but non-zero.
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 

Anakin, at the point of orgasm.
 

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Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
 

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Originally posted by Ringo:
Well in theory all of the component parts of the Death Star would have their own gravitational attraction, although very weak. Within certain distances, and assuming there are no other factors (like, uh, a huge planet sized thermonuclear explosion for instance) then with enough time this might be enough to attract the bits back together again. This wouldn't actually happen though, hence why we have asteroid belts and stuff, whcih are made of pretty big bits of rock which bounce off each other and yet don't form into some kind of solid block. This means that the kinetic energy of a moving body is much greater than the gravitational potential energy it generates.

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Nobody's impressed, science-boy.
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 

Anakin, at the shops.
 

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Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
 
FOAD newb
 

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
You mean 'slightly' as in 'all over the universe'?

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Well, that depends. If the energy of the initial explosion was enough to give each particle a velocity greater than the original escape velocity in the centre of mass reference frame, then yes. Else, self attrcation will eventially slow the bits down and they will fall back together. Whether or not they fall into exactly the same positions and recreate the death star is another matter. The odds are small but non-zero.

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Originally posted by statist:
The odds are small but non-zero.

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FOAD newb

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Thanks, man. But I think, at least to some degree, you deserved that.

[ 20.05.2005, 09:33: Message edited by: statist ]
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 

"I didn't ask to be born!"
 

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Posted by discodamage (Member # 66) on :
 
yeah yeah younglings faux-archaic but i think i read a quote in elizabeth's london: everday life in elizabethan london; liza picard, orion, 2004 which uses the word. unfortunately it is in my living room in london so i cant check, but i think youngling is authentic to the 16th century.
 

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Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
 

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Originally posted by kovacs:
I don't know why you're deliberately ignoring everything I said, and that you probably already knew, about my very vocal disappointment with Episode I and my mixed feelings about Episode II. You cannot pretend I'm a blinkered fanboy who loves everything Lucas has produced and will swear blind this is a great movie just to pay off my own investment.

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I'm not ignoring you, Kovacs - I had to go to a meeting.

While I wouldn't say you're a SW gusher, the early reference to 'investment' being a determinant of whether or not someone's likely to enjoy the film (hang plot, character, action, dialogue etc) set alarm bells ringing.

Your dismissal of "bashers" on account of them being either poseurs ('denying' themselves something worthwhile) or somehow incapable ('lack [of] investment') of properly appreciating the film strikes me as the reflex of a believer facing down a challenge to his beliefs, not a critical position that's open to debate.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
And it's baffling that to you, that "investment" seems to be so blatantly financial... you're resentful of Lucas because he might take £5 off you (probably 2/6' in Harrogate) and give you two and a half hours of imperfect entertainment. I paid £7.50 last night for a vodka lemonade and a bottle of Corona. They were gone in 20 minutes. I don't think paying less than that for Revenge of the Sith is really something to complain about. How tight are you that you're unwilling to hand over some piddling amount, imagining Lucas counting your pennies and feeling he's "won"?.

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Originally posted by statist:
Thanks, man. But I think, at least to some degree, you deserved that.

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I don't have to say "I was only joking with you" do I? Because I hate having to say that, it makes me sound like such a cock jockey. You wouldn't want that. Would you?

Anyway, enough of this offtopic talk.
 

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Anyone who laughs at or scorns Vader's anguished cry, and there are many such people, has simply not bought into the character emotionally.

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"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" looked like hugh laurie in blackadder III pretending to be an actor.

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You wouldn't want that. Would you?

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Hellraiser VI: NWoD teh Cenobite

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"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" looked like hugh laurie in blackadder III pretending to be an actor.

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Maybe he was showing us his "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" face?

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• Kashyyyk (Wookiee planet)
• Anakin killing the Separatists
• General Grievous
• Tarkin

• "Happy Empire Day!"
• Qui Gon talking to Yoda
• Yoda arrives on Dagobah
• Formation of the rebellion (Mon Mothma, Bail Organa)

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I don't think they exist any more.

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its films made for kids with aspergers.

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It's gonna get worse. In the next DVD edition Han buys Greedo a few drinks at the cantina and they talk over their differences. Greedo realises what an ultimately self-destructive act shooting Solo would be and he gives him a friendship bracelet.
 

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Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
 
Is that the scene where the Jowas do a musical number, with the sand people doing cartwheels in the background?
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
And Jabba the Hutt sings 'Akuna Matata'?

Yeah.
 

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Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
 
i think there were custard pies and these guys make a special appearance

 

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i think there were custard pies and these guys make a special appearance

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maybe we're experiencing what it was like when homer wroted and performed his stuff.
i bet he was constantly chopping and changing and "re-editing".

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Originally posted by ben:
While I wouldn't say you're a SW gusher, the early reference to 'investment' being a determinant of whether or not someone's likely to enjoy the film (hang plot, character, action, dialogue etc) set alarm bells ringing.

Your dismissal of "bashers" on account of them being either poseurs ('denying' themselves something worthwhile) or somehow incapable ('lack [of] investment') of properly appreciating the film strikes me as the reflex of a believer facing down a challenge to his beliefs, not a critical position that's open to debate.


It is the actor's task to convince rather than the audience's duty to 'buy in'.

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Originally posted by kovacs:

-- this is probably asked on TF.N every minute but not only does Ben K look much older in Episode IV; Beru seems about 18 at the end of Episode III, and about 60 when Luke's 18.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
-- Yoda and Kenobi propose they're going to hide until the time is right. But in Episodes IV and V, they're discovered by Luke; they don't bide their time then reappear when they're needed again, they're called out of retirement by external circumstances.

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BEN: Luke...Luke.

LUKE: (weakly) Ben?

BEN: You will go to the Dagobah system.

LUKE: Dagobah system?

BEN: There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
-- the droids are given over to Captain Antilles on a blockade runner. (Presumably not called a Rebel blockade runner at this point.) 18 years later, the droids still seem to be on that same blockade runner, owned by Captain Antilles. Have their existences, and his, really been so boring and limited for almost 2 decades? No wonder Artoo embraces his mission.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
-- for ages, folk including me have been referring to the cinnamon-rolls hairstyle as "Alderaanian ceremonial buns," explaining the ugly 'do as a ritual or social convention from that culture. Now, apparently, it turns out this is a hairstyle from Coruscant, and that Leia for some reason is wearing her hair as her mum did 20 years before.

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That term was never more than EU (if indeed that), but if it bothers you, there's always the idea of

The rest of your post I'm happy with.

I can't believe my television started talking in your voice as I wrote this.

[ 20.05.2005, 16:56: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
Prof. *** ****** Star Wars Academic - Classy
 

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Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
Is Obi-Wan Kenobi 'discovered' by Luke? As I remember it, Obi-Wan happened across Luke in a crumpled state on the rocks after he'd been attacked by a Tusken Raider. I imagine Kenobi sensed Luke's arrival on his doorstep, with an important message from his sister, as the Will of the Force and hence decided to reveal the truth to the boy.

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And Yoda definitely isn't 'discovered' by Luke. The force-ghost of Obi-Wan Kenobi appeared to Luke on Hoth and said something along the lines of:

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I can't believe my television started talking in your voice as I wrote this.

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896 years before A New Hope
Yoda is born

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Originally posted by kovacs:
with Chewbacca's nephew Jewbocca")

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fucking heebs.
eta
so he's 900?
thats it?

"When nine hundred years old, you reach, look as good, you will not." —Yoda

i suppose that should have pointed it out to me.
i thought he was older.

and
WHERE WAS YADDLE?

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
I still didn't see Mon Mothma. The Scotsman had a photo of her in their quiz last week so I was assuming she hadn't been cut.

On second screening I did, however, see Lucas (George and, I think, Jett Lucas) and a Millennium Falcon.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
I am really not the geek/expert I was. I am confused about Bail Antilles and Bail Organa, and Captain Antilles

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Bail Organa was to have appeared in the Senate sequences of Episode I, though the footage containing him was ultimately edited out of the final film. In the screenplay, Organa seconds Queen Amidala's Vote of No Confidence that topples Supreme Chancellor Valorum's rule. In the resulting power vaccuum, several other senators are nominated to succeed Valorum, including Bail Antilles of Alderaan, who is a separate politician and not intended to be the same character as Bail Organa.

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For her small role in Episode III, Mothma was played by Genevieve O'Reilly, who was cast for her resemblance to Blakiston. O'Reilly carefully studied Blakiston's performance to capture Mothma's voice and mannerisms.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
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So apart from the effects and I suppose the action, I can't see how this film would work for someone who isn't, to some extent, a "believer" -- who doesn't have some emotional investment in the original series at least.

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Originally posted by rooster:
I don’t feel that Anakin turned to the dark side because of his love and desire for Padme. I believe Ep. 1 revealed fatal flaws in his character before they even became involved. He has a desire to avenge his downtrodden beginnings and prove to himself and others that he is the best. He is greedy, vengeful and full of hubris. This is what makes him susceptible to what Yoda advises against: too strong an attachment to worldly things (including a woman). His feelings for Padme and his turn to the dark side are both symptoms of the same illness of character.

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Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
 

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I may be misremembering, but as Ben lies or dissembles about a great deal -- owning a droid, the death of Anakin Skywalker, being taught by Yoda -- it's hard to be sure.

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W/ reference to the last - maybe the whole character of Qui Gonn Jinn was something (along with 'midichlorians') that Lucas just pulled out of his ass because he couldn't be bothered with having McGregor spend the whole of the first film following a puppet around.

Sam and I ended up watching most of The Phantom Menace when it was on this weekend, breaking off only for Doctor Who. It was striking that a little boy in a gas mask going "Muuuh-meee? Muuuh-meee? Are you my mummy?" was ten times more scary or impressive than anything in the $100m blockbuster.
 

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Posted by jnhoj (Member # 286) on :
 
You made your son watch phantom menace?

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Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
 
I'm way behind on Star Wars, you probably know that now. Episode II was on TV last night and, since I didn't really have much else to do and I hadn't seen that one, I gave it a whirl. Well, I missed the first half hour and translated someone's CV while giving the rest a whirl, but at least a fraction of my brain was present. I would now like someone to answer the following questions:

• Where did all the really cheap one-liners come from? I don't remember those being a feature of Star Wars
• Why do Jedis have to have such shit hair? Are they also a football team?

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a little boy in a gas mask going "Muuuh-meee? Muuuh-meee? Are you my mummy?"

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
After watching the recent sp9 of SW documentaries, I've convinced myself that I need to buy those pre- Special Edition videos from Oxfam. I hope they're still in the shop window.

But Star Wars [i(A New Hope)[/i]will never be quite right for me unless it's watched on a home-recorded video tape, complete with mid-80s adverts for Scotch Videos (re-record not fade away) and R. Whites (I'm a secret lemonade drinker) all held together with the TVS ident:


I probably taped Baywatch over it or something. Sigh.
 

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unless it's watched on a home-recorded video tape, complete with mid-80s adverts for Scotch Videos (re-record not fade away) and R. Whites (I'm a secret lemonade drinker)

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You'll be telling me you have old recordings of The Jesus & Mary Chain performing Surfing USA on 'The Beat' next.

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They might have featured on The Beat Christmas Cracker, the VHS recording of which served as my musical bible in my pre-MTV early '90s. Live performances by all kinds of bands Curve, The Auteurs, Belly, PJ Harvey, Stone Temple Pilots, etc... presented by Gary Crowley. Sigh.
 

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Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
 
My bf bought me a Belly album for my birthday
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
He must have good taste in music then.

I recently listened to Tanya Donnelly's Whiskey Tango Ghosts which was surprisingly enjoyable. I assumed she'd have softened with age, but she seems just as sharp as she ever was.
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
Shouldn't this be in Music?
 

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Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
 
I'm too afeared to play my 1977 version Star Wars cassette, as my ancient VCR is due to die, perhaps with a death wheeze of tape-chewing ferocity, at any moment. So on Friday night I watched the 1997 Ep IV. I'm sorry to report that I didn't have strength of will enough to forget the fact that Vader was once Haydn Christianson, and that did kind of piss on it.

If ROTS really does put the jigsaw pieces together, does it explain one profound mystery: what exactly are Luke's "uncle" and "aunt" farming on Tattoine? Sand?
 

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Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
 
It's a moisture farm I believe.
 

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Posted by fish (Member # 22) on :
 
I'm afraid I'm a bit rusty on the original star wars films, having not watched them for about 20 years, but I was a bit surprised to see Padme die at the end of ROTS. No one else has commented on this, and of course I defer entirely to you well studied star wars chaps. Perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me, but in Return of the Jedi don't Luke and Leiah have a conversation that goes along the lines of:
Luke: I don't remember my mother.
Leia: I do.
Luke: Tell me about her.
Leia: She always seemed so... sad.

I "remembered" (or made up?) this little snippet of conversation right at the beginning of watching ROTS - and so I expected Padme to survive... and run away to bring up Leia and be sad. This was kept secret from everyone including Obi Wan which is why he never gave Luke a 'heads up' later on.

Did I just make all that up?

ETA: I went into the cinema fully expecting to hate ROTS, but actually I thoroughly enjoyed it. The only bit I didn't like (and many have mentioned) was the Darth Vader "Noooooooo" scene. Not just him saying it, but the whole waving of arms in the air that accompanies it. Would have been better if they'd got that whole angst thing out of the way before he put the helmet on.

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Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
 
LUKE
Leia... do you remember your mother?
Your real mother?

LEIA
Just a little bit. She died when I
was very young.

LUKE
What do you remember?

LEIA
Just...images, really.
Feelings.

LUKE
Tell me.

LEIA
She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad.
Why are you asking me all this?

LUKE
I have no memory of my mother.
I never knew her.
 

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Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
 
Also: how lame was the bit when Palpatatine tells Anakin that "from now on, you will be known as 'Darth... [furrows brow] ...Vader'." No explanation as to whether it actually means anything; he seemed to have made it up on the spot.
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
Vader... I always thought of Darth Vader meaning Dark Father what with the Germanic sounding of Vader and the fact that he was the father and Lucas obviously just goes with the most obvious name available at the time of filming..

Is Vader and odder than *Siddious ? or **Maul and why is Dooku (sp) only a Count and not a Darth ?

* adjective taken from insidious ? meaning awaiting a chance to entrap from the latin insidiosus, from insidiae ambush

** transitive verb meaning to handle roughly

Dooku maybe from 'DECOY' from the Dutch "de kooi" meaning literally the cage - Used to trap Anakin ??

The plot thickens...

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Is Vader and odder than *Siddious ? or **Maul and why is Dooku (sp) only a Count and not a Darth ?

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He is also know as Darth Tyrannus. Figure that out...

Might it have something to do with him being a arsehole?

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
I have a pirate copy of Empire Strikes Back from 1982, it's survived with me all this time. I also bought a limited edition (probably limited to only 8,000,000 knowing Lucas) boxed set of the original untampered with trilogy in an Imperial 'flight case' with pictures, scripts and a really, really good making of documentary.

I read somewhere that GL has said that Darth Vader was meant to mean Dark Master - as Anakin was supposed to be the most powerful Jedi or something (the chosen one!). I liked that all the way through the films they kept saying he was the chosen one, but then Yoda just mumbles something about 'maybe we were wrong' and no-one does anything about it. It seemed Yoda knew all along and was just saying 'actually he's a bit of a prick'.
 

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Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
 
Tyrannus is actually taken from Tyrannosaurus. This is symbolic for a number of reasons.

The t-rex is the primary logo image for the film Jurassic Park, known more commonly as The Lost World. The lost world in this case referring to Princess Leia's homeworld destroyed in Ep IV.

T-rexs are also extinct - Tyrannus is systematic in the extinction of the Jedi.

Also, as we know, the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor impact. Take a look at the Death Star - it has one huge crater in the side which rains destruction upon planets. Coincidence? Unlikely.
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
Rex also means King, as in 'what a fucKING waste of time the first two films were'.
 

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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
lol
 

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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
 
What I don't understand is that nobody is giving Anakin much credit at all, when as a small boy he single handedly took out an advancing robot army with enough time to whoop 'yippee'. Anytime he mentions it the rest of the jedi must be like 'shut up you one trick pony'
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Was anyone rooting for the Gungans?
 

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Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
 
Were they the Japanese things or the Rasta frogs?
 

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Posted by discodamage (Member # 66) on :
 
i watched dirty dancing yesterday! it was as beautiful an experience, especially since i have now seen roadhouse, which truly puts into perspective the enormity of swayze's potential twenty years ago. he could fight sexXxy, he could dance sexXxy, he could sing soulful. what happened? patrick swayze had it all, and midgets- and i use the phrase both literally and metaphorically- like tom cruise still profit in hollywood whilst he lives off residuals? it befuddles me.

i only mention it because when johnny is teaching baby about mambo rhythm, he taps two fingers against the curve of her sweat-slicked left breast and says 'gun-gun... gun-gun...gun-gun'. which sounds a bit like gungan.
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
The rasta frogs. One of them had a bit of robot stuck to his leg and every time he fell over he shot a bad guy... it was hilarious.
 

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Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
 
It's an epic battle of Daleks vs Light Sabres in our house at the moment. Although the Velociraptors out of Jurassic Park usually have the final say.
 

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Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
 
i saw in good company. it stars mostly dennis quad and damo, but has kovacs fave scarlett johannsen too and that women from excellent species and really dull csi. it was very funny and quite good.


what else? ah yes, team america. was incredibly hilarious. honestly. the chick i saw it with, we were on the bus the day after, and we were talking about it and couldn't stop laughing. my head hurt. highlights: puppet shagging, panther kitties, ultra vomit, blowing up paris. oh, there's too much, it was loltastic.

and matrix revolutions which was even more horrid than first time i saw it. possibly the single most borig and shit film ever made. i can't atually think of anything worse.
 

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Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
 
um, wrong thread


havent seen the last two star wars and have no intention of seeing this one. it's all wank.


are there any good trilogies?

[ 23.05.2005, 13:20: Message edited by: vikram ]
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Fuck. Holiday On The Buses was on the telly not long ago and I watched about an hour of it. It was fascinating. It was, like, anti-comedy. You could see all the things they were doing, the 'sauce', the 'slapstick' were meant to be funny, should've been funny... the things they said followed the familiar patterns of 'jokes', 'puns' and 'one-liners', but... it was not only not funny it made my life bleaker, sadder and more unbearable.
 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
Re. Leia remembering her mother as beautiful and sad, the theory is now that either Leia was held by Padme and Luke was not, giving the Force-sensitive Leia a stronger psychic impression of her mother, or that Lucas will retcon the inconvenient line from Return of the Jedi.

Re. Anakin being the Chosen One, the prophesy is fulfilled at the end of Return of the Jedi when he kills the Emperor.

Re. Count Dooku, yes as has been pointed out, this is his real name not his Sith title. He is also a "Darth".

Which still doesn't explain why Ben Kenobi calls Vader "Darth" in A New Hope, as if it's a first name. I suppose it could be like saying "you will never understand, Jedi" or "now you die, my Lord" but it's the only occasion where someone uses that word in isolation.
 

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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
 
Maybe it's sarcasm on Old Bens part. Like 'you sir, are an ass' A bit like calling Damo 'Mr'

Kenoboi is perhaps just ripping the piss at his fancy Sith title.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
Which still doesn't explain why Ben Kenobi calls Vader "Darth" in A New Hope, as if it's a first name. I suppose it could be like saying "you will never understand, Jedi" or "now you die, my Lord" but it's the only occasion where someone uses that word in isolation.

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When Darth Vader says 'I sense a disturbence in the force' as they approach the death star. Surely he should be rolling around on the floor frothing at the vents, spasming slightly as his old master, his son, the droid he built and the servo-bot that saved his life start to dock in a landing bay

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Originally posted by kovacs:
... to rescue his daughter, who he was just torturing.
True seen!

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
Hopefully, he'll just franchise out the Star Wars mythos and we'll get some decent movies made.

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For some reason, the clone of Luke is called Luuke or Lluke.

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Sadly I did it for you and although I found nothing exciting, i did find a girl who wants to be Mara Jade:


 

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
More than you ever wanted to know about lightsabers *

I mean, apparently Leia has half a dozen

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Luuke Skywalker, Cloned Dark Jedi (Originally Built by Anakin Skywalker & Owned by Luke Skywalker)



Originally constructed by Anakin Skywalker. After Luke Skywalker lost his hand along with his lightsaber in the shafts of Cloud City on Bespin, the Jedi Master Joruus C'baoth, a clone himself, found the hand and saber. He took cells from the hand and cloned Luke. He then gave the saber to him to train him as a Dark Jedi. He was eventually killed by Mara Jade, fulfilling her last command of the Emperor, "Kill Skywalker". After the death of the clone Luuke, Luke Skywalker retook possession of his former weapon and gave it to Mara Jade to help complete her training as a Jedi.
Saber Source: The Last Command

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Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
 
darth lolus

apparently the first sabers were like 1980s mobile phones... massive and clunky with an unwieldy power pack!



This unit comprised of a separate hip power pack, power line and saber hilt. Some of the unique features of this lightsaber is that they were typically carved from duranium. Making this a truly hand crafted weapon of the Jedi or Sith. The crystals used for these were also very crude and typically exposed.
Saber Source: Tales of the Jedi
 

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Posted by Jessica Rabbit (Member # 776) on :
 
I watched Star Wars Episode III: Return of the Sith last night and I really liked it. Kovacs' woman who watched them all in chronological (ie: wrong) order will have missed much. For me, a great deal of the power of the film comes from the bitter knowledge that no matter how much these characters attempt to change their fates, there's nothing that can be done. I never really got the impression they were supposed to be watched Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace -Star Wars: Episode VI: A New Hope. And, really they're not - the prequels were clearly designed to entertain audiences who were familiar with the later episodes.

Also, much as I liked the final Anakin/Obi-Wan smackdown, I couldn't help but think they were a lot less athletic when they meet on the Death Star in Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope. I guess they both kind of got old, huh. Maybe they should re-do this duel in Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope. They could easily map Alec Guinness's face onto - say - Vin Diesel's body and re-film the fight to bring it up to standard. They should definitely do that.

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I never really got the impression they were supposed to be watched Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace -Star Wars: Episode VI: A New Hope. And, really they're not - the prequels were clearly designed to entertain audiences who were familiar with the later episodes.

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Also a good argument, and also there's a debate strand on Barbelith along these lines. Someone on that board is taking pleasure in, well, imagining really, that Chewbacca recognises Ben Kenobi, or his name, or his Jedi status, and persuades Han to take them to Alderaan because he remembers how Yoda was pals with the Wookiees 18 years before.

But really, Chewbacca being named in Episode III has nothing to do with us recognising him again in episode IV... that would just be pointless and baffling. Imagine the chronological, naive viewer watching the films in order. Yoda says goodbye to Chewbacca on Kashyyyk (sp). NEXT FILM: much later in a totally different part of the galaxy, "Chewbacca here is first mate on a ship that might suit us." What the fuck, it's the Wookiee who saved Yoda. Well, there'll be some reference back to that, then... some context about how Chewbacca ended up on Tatooine with a human (Corellian) pirate. Some conversation about what happened to Yoda, as the Wookiee would surely ask a Jedi about the purge and Order 66. No... just some haggling over prices, and then Ben Kenobi and Chewbacca basically ignore each other for the rest of the film, both their memories apparently wiped.

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The naming of Chewbacca in Episode III is a little pleasure-burst cameo for anyone who has seen the original trilogy and was too dumb to recognise him by sight.
 

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Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
 
Theory - could it be that Lucas is actually engineering inconsistencies and plot holes merely to stir up controversy and help publicise his movie franchise?
 

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
***Get closer to God - Watch Star Wars!

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'Star Wars' was the first movie Russell Smith ever saw in a theater.

Twenty-eight years later, as pastor of Covenant-First Presbyterian Church, downtown, Smith was an easy sell when asked whether his church would host a Bible study entitled "Gospel According to Star Wars."

"This is our language. We grew up with this," said Smith, 33, pastor at the church for four years. "With this study, we're saying there are hints of truth, beauty and goodness in the story that can bring us back to the biblical story."

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So there are really heroes among the Charlie Chan aliens and the roger-roger robots?

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The droids really are mindless and in any case, their masters aren't evil really -- the Trade Federation are greedy and foolish.

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Revenge of the Cretins

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I think it's a sign of something about SW's cultural importance that the thread's so long and involved.

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Yes. If you like I'll make it more culturally important with a useful aside:

Fett is the Swedish translation of the English word fat (the noun, not the adjective). And sometimes Swedes get a bit confused. Some time ago I heard someone talking about Star-Wars (in English) about a character called Bobba Fat, assuming that Fat was translated to Fett in the Swedish subtitling. No serious, it's true. Mail me if you want to write about that in your next book, I can provide more details! Cool, huh?
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Chewbacca in Finnish means 'angry hair'. I think we all know where he's coming from, right readers?
 

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Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
 

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Revenge of the Cretins

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Originally posted by statist:
I wish he had just said fill a fluorescent tube with petrol and light it. That would have been so much better.

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Ben hands Luke the saber.

LUKE: What is it?

BEN: Your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or as random as a blaster.

Luke pushes a button on the handle. A long beam shoots out about four feet and flickers there. The light plays across the ceiling.

BEN: An elegant weapon for a more civilized time. For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the...

The Lightsaber explodes, casting metal and flame into Luke's face and torso, killing him instantly.

BOOOOOOM!

BEN: Luke? LUKE...?!

Oh shaft. I just blew up the last hope for peace in the galaxy.

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Just imagine if they'd tried to make a Death Star...

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And if a few Sky magazine-reading knobheads get taken out at the same time, where's the loss?

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Half term's next week. The screaming may be a no-no. I took them to the Saturday morning pictures a few months back and 'Thunderpants' was on. It opens with a woman very noisily giving birth. We had to leave in a hurry. And, we have to fast-forward through the bit in X-Men 2 where the kid gets shot in the neck with a tranquiliser dart.

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• You have three masketeers
• None of them were gene-sharing, multiple births (cos it's less likely), and genes have been inherited 50:50 from you and the Masketeers' mother.
• The bravado/cowardice gene flips 50:50, i.e. neither dominant or recessive.
• All three masketeers are equally cowardly

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Conclusion: there is a 1-(0.5^3) = 87.5% chance that Black Mask is a big girl's blouse.

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At least he doesn't let his wife dictate whether he can wear a hat or not.

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• There are two Masketeers
• They are six years old
• They are non-identical twins
• They eat frog's legs
• They jump from the top of the climbing frame
• They run into the sea

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Originally posted by kovacs:
You are barely a stage up from dopey characters who call themselves "The Observer" or "The Truth" and announce that they're going to offer their judgements on various forum characters.

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All this name and event-dropping you do is deliberate, wryly superior performance.

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Still beats the pants off anyone who hangs around for five minutes, starts a thread entitled 'HIYA!!!@$#' and then fucks off equally quickly following a minimal posting career and a massive flame war.

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Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
Don't worry about Kovacs statist, he shits a brick if he thinks anyone remembers anything longer than 6 months ago.

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But I don't want to leave because I'm still waiting for the follow-up berating. If I leave now, it will come immediately...

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Personally, I don't see much difference between someone lurking for an arbitrary period of time before beginning posting, and some long-term poster going "fuck that, I'm beginning a new identity". They are both new from the perspective of everyone who hasn't changed identity, although they know the same stuff. Maybe you will spot the identity switch or maybe not.

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(Admittedly, you lurked for three months. And Statist has lurked for three years. But he's started posting now! He just needs to post for, hmmm... nine more years - and everything will be ok!)

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Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
 
I don't know quite how to go about this. I'm really really not looking for an argument. Really really. But I'm in an odd state. Somewhere between knowing and not knowing which I have brought on myself – of course you don't have to help me. But as a long-time lurker, one picks up the big picture. It's the intricacies that are all lost. As in, you may learn something by watching the Discovery Channel for hours on end but nothing concrete, nothing really valuable due to your lack of participation, or whatever. Passive learning doesn't work, bla bla.

Firstly, perhaps I should apologise for the “follow up berating” comment. It was kind of weak, actually. Maybe nerves since I did expect a laying into. Maybe some passive-aggressive technique (is it?) by which I was kind of letting you know that I was waiting for you to have a bit of a go at me, but also playing to the forum at the same time. I dunno. Some misguided preemptive strike maybe.

But thinking about that kind of got me thinking about your comments – perhaps this is something I would have picked up better if I had lurked more, or found out via the more usual mechanisms had I not lurked at all. Something was bugging me:

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You don't join a group of friends and start acting unnervingly pally with people you just met, or referring to stuff you spied on through the window in 2003 cause you didn't have the gumption to come join the party.

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(Admittedly, you lurked for three months. And Statist has lurked for three years. But he's started posting now! He just needs to post for, hmmm... nine more years - and everything will be ok!)

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at some level or other, you are interested in comparing online to real-life interaction?

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The point is that spying through a window, as a particular example, more or less implies something illegal. Something that is actually wrong. Whereas lurking a forum to some extent is something that is expected.

... But spying through a window? Not having the gumption to join the party? Like you said, I guess that's, at least in part, what you wanted to say. But as I said my issue was more with the analogy, feeling that it was also an attack.

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Nine years? Easy. Say I post twice as frequently as I need to for 4.5 years? Would that be OK?

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It might help. I think also you should tell them the thing about the hat. I think they're getting antsy.

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I have decided to devote (almost) the rest of the day to actually producing something useful.

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Does this mean that we can look forward to a cornucopia of Grade-A threads, or are you referring to something outside of the forum?
 

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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
mad skillz
 

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Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
 
that so looks like the shit my roommate pulls.
 

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Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
 
Having seen RotS last Friday and subsequently read Peter Bradshaw's review I have to say I largely agree with his verdict on the film, although I'd add that the whole transformation sequence was spoiled for me by the fact that at the end of it Darth Vader was quite clearly not Darth Vader (i.e Dave Prowse) but, tragically, Hayden Christensen in platforms.

To be fair, there were some other aspects of the film that weren’t entirely awful, Ian McDiarmid inparticular was typically good value as Palpatine/Sidious, and I thought the ‘Execute Order 66’ sequence was nicely operatic and Godfatherly.

But for me the moribund denseness of the entire experience of ‘...Sith’ in terms both of plot and visually was stifling, in a way that worked against the story rather than in it’s favour.

I regard myself as a Star Wars fan, but unlike VP I wasn’t wholly against the greater development of Anakin/Vader’s backstory, although I do think VP has a point about the demystification of ideas from the originals films in the prequels, see inparticular the whole Midiclurians(sic?) nonsense. I don’t think that the successful telling of the Anakin to Vader story would have detracted from my experience of the original trilogy, however given it’s tragically shoddy execution, I’d much rather the prequels simply didn’t exist.

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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
I might have already mentioned this rather odd example of Star Wars merchandise.

Darth Tater



A * teacher in Seattle recently asked his class to come up with SW/potato-related puns (standards slipping?)
I thought I would share the results with you:

"May the forks be with you" by Emily
"Luke Fry-walker" by Ben and Joseph
"The Refry of the Jedi" by Henry
"I will not farm you father" by Henry
"It's your father's light flavor" by Emily
"Mash Windu" by Luke G.
"Asteroids do not concern me, Admiral. I want that chip, not excuses" by Mr. Miller
"If only you knew the power of the deep fried" by Mr. Miller
"Trust your peelings" by Emily
"Luke, I have drained you well" by Lea

Can you come up with something better?

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