I have been thinking about the notion of leagues of attractiveness, as in the well known phrase, “she’s well out of your league mate”. The reason for this is that in a moment of idleness, I googled to find a picture of The One That Got Away (woke up next to nekkid save for black velvet choker bloke). I always saw him as being in a league above me, and actually didn’t fancy him initially, as a) he was so good looking it was almost ridiculously cliched and b) I was sure he’d be way out of my league. I am curious as to whether others have also mentally dismissed someone as being too far above them in terms of looks.
Obviously, attractiveness is a subjective and personal thing, and the Premier League of the UK couldn’t play against the top divisions of Japan, Africa, S America etc, as their criteria are doubtless very different. However, I do believe that there are enough universal parameters of attractiveness within a defined culture for people to rate themselves and others. As an observer of couples, I sometimes see ones where, in my opinion, there is an imbalance of attractiveness (sometimes matched by personality, sometimes not). I always find these interesting to watch. I also found it intriguing to read people’s responses to Brad Pitt and Jennifer Anniston’s break-up, as people seemed to think, “aw, they made such a lovely couple”, seemingly on the basis of the fact that they are both considered attractive and looked pretty together.
I realise it can sound callous to categorise people in such a way, but the more I plough through my Evolutionary Biology textbook brick, the more I believe that humans, although possessing nice big brains and dexterous fingers, aren’t really as far above the vigorous cacophony of pheramones, mating displays and seasonal rutting of our animal friends as we would like to think. Yes of course personality is important blah blah blah, but I don’t think we can deny the sensation of seeing someone, and having that instantaneous ME & YOU = FUCKY FUCKY urge, where our genes are growling to be mixed with the tasty new ones on display. I think there is often a secondary subconscious reflex, whereby the attractiveness of the person who has caught your eye is calculated in relation to your own perceived rating.
Do you believe in leagues of attractiveness?
Have you ever dated someone you felt to be clearly in a different league, and did it affect the relationship?
For reference: Not very good pic of The One That Got Away (Premier League):
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Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
I was talking about something similar to this just t'other day. A friend was saying how one of her friends (a fairly decent looking chap) was married to a munter. She is super fat, I mean ENORMOUS - needs a walking stick to move about kind of thing, and is apparently really annoying, whiney and arrogant as well. So the old personality thing doesn’t hold up either. Excellent!
Apparently the chap was all broken and had massive issues, and he met her on the internet (of course!). She is American and wanted to come over here, and he was so amazed that anyone wanted to be with him at all that he went for it. Now he is has put himself together a bit and is less damaged, only to realise that he has a horrible wife. Unlucky.
So levels of confidence and self respect can definitely play a part. And thinking about one of the actual questions, yes I have dated someone who I now consider to be not very attractive, and he was annoyingly clingy too. But guess what? I was really unhappy at the time (prior to the relationship), coincidence??!
Posted by scrawny (Member # 113) on :
I dated someone a male model (with Boss agency, fact fans) once. He was unbelievably good-looking, and I couldn't quite understand why he would want to go out with me. He also had a first in philosophy, some nice mates and was extremely generous, so there didn't seem to be any other clues as to why a United like himself would be deigning to kick about with a Tranmere Rovers like me. However, a couple of dates later the penny dropped - he was the most boring man in the world. IN THE WORLD. This was made worse by the fact that he used to call incessantly with nothing to say and get really needy when i ended our non-conversation to get on with other, more important aspects of my life such as flicking aimlessly through the TV guide. his friends were indeed a lovely bunch - so lovely in fact they were positively charitable with him, despite his endless whining. Just goes to show that, like united, you can have all the players and everything ostensibly going for you, but still finish the season with no silverware. (*end of laboured footballing metaphor*)
So do I believe in leagues? I'd like not to, because...well...it's not a very nice idea is it? However, most horrible ideas are rooted in some kind of social reality, so i guess leagues do exist, perpetuated by the alll-pervasive lack of self-esteem from which everyone seems to suffer these days.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: I realise it can sound callous to categorise people in such a way, but the more I plough through my Evolutionary Biology textbook brick, the more I believe that humans, although possessing nice big brains and dexterous fingers, aren’t really as far above the vigorous cacophony of pheramones, mating displays and seasonal rutting of our animal friends as we would like to think.
With a shudder I recall the group-recoil by Jayne Middlemiss, Isabella Hervey and Rebecca Loos as a boozily self-pitying Paul Danan stumbled towards them and explained/bawled his drooling, tit-groping lechery thus: "Oi awnly do it caws yaw aww sao FIT - ass ee AWNLY reason woy."
If anything, I think the prickly issue of the beauty gradient (where we sit on it, whether we pitch at partners 'above', 'below' or 'at our level') reveals the limits of trying to apply evolutionary biology to everyday life: if relative physical attractiveness is so key to evolutionary success, why is the median level of attractiveness so damn poor in - say - the UK? Walk down an average high street in any British town and ask yourself: is this place full of pretty people getting prettier? Expressed even more offensively, why haven't all the uglies died out?
There's a problem with using 'macro' apparatus to examine 'micro'-level data, which is why, I think, scientsts come unstuck when they try to reach a general audience by making absurd statements about how your genes determine whether you're a tit man or an ass man.
Perhaps 'attractiveness' is psychic construct - maybe a set of assumptions, hardened into a habit - that exist only in the subject's mind but which are shared in common with many others existing in similar circumstances. Of all the criteria feeding into this construct (peer group expectations, racial prejudice, love/resentment of parents) the objective physical appearance of the person they're looking at (desiring?) is maybe going to be the least important.
Reading your post, Vogon, it strikes me that the issue raised is not so much the appearance of nearly-man (who, to this baffled poster, looks utterly average: an Aussie-barman-in-London Adonis), as the hierarchical framework into which you've slotted him and yourself. Some people on the forum might even protest you're under-selling yourself.
[edit: revealing freudian slop]
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Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by scrawny: there didn't seem to be any other clues as to why a United like himself would be deigning to kick about with a Tranmere Rovers like me. However, a couple of dates later the penny dropped - he was the most boring man in the world. IN THE WORLD.
Bagsy: early spot on inevitable "B-but Scrawny your wal lush." backlash.
There was a great example of the pretty=pretty-fucking-awful thing the other night on BB6 launch: for about a millisecond of her intro-clip Sam came across as breathtakingly attractive. Within about three milliseconds she'd confirmed herself as being one of those people you'd cross a busy road to beat to bloody, screaming death with four baseball bats - wielded General Grievance-style - each coated with razorblades, barbed wire and dogshit.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: why haven't all the uglies died out?
Perhaps this will be discussed in a later chapter of my textbook, but I would imagine that it's because the selection pressure on looks is not strong enough to be making a difference, ie if you're a fugly you still get plenty of chances to pass your fugly genes on. The best example is Freshers Week, where all the munters get to shag other munters via the means of dim lighting, ludicrously cheap drinks and I'm Away From Home And Nobody Knows Me wild abandon. As Abby says, Internet Dating must also be contributing to keeping a lot of scummy genes clogging up the gene pool.
I'm afraid your reality TV show references have been lost on me. Whilst watching Equilibrium at the weekend, I thought fondly of a state-funded operation whereby men in long black coats burst into the homes of culture-crime deviants (furtively watching Big Brother in secret Priest's Hole compartments) and cleansed them with a spray of machine gun and kung fu.
Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
Indeed (to Ben's post)
I think the largely subjective nature of physical attractiveness is fairly well exemplified by a pair of gorgeous' like Scrawny and VP not regarding themselves as such.
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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: There was a great example of the pretty=pretty-fucking-awful thing the other night on BB6 launch: for about a millisecond of her intro-clip Sam came across as breathtakingly attractive. Within about three milliseconds she'd confirmed herself as...
I agree. She is remarkably hott with the sound off.
It's a shame that God saw fit to fill a head so beautiful with such ropey matter.
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Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
I'm not sure about the idea that 'uglies' necessarily spawn 'uglies' or vice versa, surely physical attractiveness can be more accurately attributed to a combination of genetic lottery, fashion, and personal taste.
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Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Good thread VP! I do believe in "leagues of attractiveness", yes. I think people rate themselves and then view others on either side of their own "rating". The other day I was talking to my sister about the gorgeousness of some of her past boyfriends and although we don't fancy the same "type" of boy I could certainly appreciate their aesthetic beauty. I said that I would have been scared to even approach them let alone date them based on their prettiness. I didn't think they were "out of her league" though.
My ex(as of 3 hours ago!)-husband is considered to be very attractive by most who meet him. I had to laugh one time recently when we went out for drinks and the barmaid was totally checking him out as she served him. She looked over and caught my eye and we just both laughed and he was like, what are you laughing at? And I was like I just caught the barmaid totally checking you out! It was just the blantantness with which she was doing it. That's happened a few times with him actually. I don't think I elicit the same response in strangers, but I didn't think he was out of my league.
What I like are the boys who don't realise quite how hot they are, they're the best! You get these absolute stunners and their looks are only enhanced by the fact that they don't quite know it. They know they're "ok" but they don't know that they're drooled over by quite as many people as they are. My boyfriend's like this: he's Hottie McTottie but doesn't quite realise the extent of this, which is thigh rubbingly hott!
When it comes to dating out of your league though I think I more often see women who "date down" rather than guys. A super-hott boy will always be with a super-hott girl, but you will more often see a super-hott girl with a not so hot boy than you will vice versa.
Interestingly I had my own levels of attractiveness tested the other month with this guy I went on a date with from the dating site I used to use. We'd been emailing each other for about 3 weeks every day and we got on so well in email, we seemed to have so much in common. Usually if I was dating a guy off my dating site I wouldn't email for as long as 3 weeks before meeting, usually about a week so you don't get too emotionally involved before you find out if it will work in real-life or not. But due to work and holiday circumstances we couldn't meet up any sooner which was so frustrating.
He had a photo on his profile and he looked nice. In the photo he was leaning forward and not looking straight at the camera but as if he was reaching for something out of shot. The other two pictures on his profile were blurred, one with his chin raised and one a half-profile shot. He wasn't super-hott but he didn't seem to be a complete minger either, just a normal looking guy. The very first email he ever sent me said "You're gorgeous... absolutely out of my league, but gorgeous! I just thought I'd let you know while passing."
So I checked out his profile and thought, hello, you're not too bad yourself and so emailing began. We talked about loads of stuff, he was a clever and witty correspondant and I enjoyed his emails.
One of the things we talked about was this date that he went on with another girl from the same dating site which had been arranged from before we started emailing. He said told me that they had a nice evening but that her photos were a "little bit misleading" and had he not been emailing me and excited about meeting me he would have been disappointed and felt misled by her.
I thought that he was implying that he thought *my* pictures could be misleading so I sent him a couple more which had just been taken and stuff and then asked him to send me some more of him. Every photo of him was blurred or slightly out of shot, basically not showing a full and accurate picture. Usually I'm excellent at reading the photos on dating profiles, I seem to have an uncanny knack for this. His photos gave me some slight misgivings so I got a few other opinions from trusted ladyfriends and they all came back with "Nah, he's cute, don't worry about it."
So the day of the date finally arrives and I'm nervous as fuck because if this works out then it would be AMAZING but if it doesn't then its going to be awful. I walk into the bar, spot him straight away and my heart flips. Downwards. He was a serious candidate for breaching of the trade descriptions act. Disappointment aside that he wasn't my Orlando Bloom we say hello and the date begins. He was really funny and witty and clever and we talked and talked and laughed and drank but there was absolutely no spark there for me. I really liked him personality-wise but I just didn't fancy him.
However as the evening wore on and we were getting increasingly soused I had to start dodging kisses and his fondling fumbling hands. We ended our date and I spent the next day in a conundrum: I really liked this guy as a person but I really didn't fancy him at all. Was that snobbish of me? Was I dismissing something with potential because this guy wasn't particularly attractive? Should I give it a go? In the end I sent him an email saying that I liked him alot as a person but there "wasn't enough sparks" for me - to use dating lingo. I said the awful "Do you want to be friends, but I realise that can be quite cold so I will understand if you don't want to." He didn't want to. He'd told me that if I didn't want to see him again he didn't want me to tell him face to face over the phone he would prefer an email or text so I wasn't being massively callous by not doing it in person.
He said he was "gutted but had to respect my opinion" but what I wonder about is why did he deliberately not send me photos of what he really looked like? He said from the start that he thought I was "out of his league" so why not save us both some time and emotional effort and be honest with me? I dunno, part of me feels harsh for saying that but so much of attraction is to do with the initial moments of seeing each other and getting the FUCKY FUCKY rush that VP was talking about - "sparks" as they all talk about on dating sites. Does the Cyrano de Bergerac scenario ever happen in real-life?
All that aside though, a couple of weeks later I hooked up with my Hottie McTottie boyfriend and it's all sugar. When Mikee and I meet up after we haven't seen each other for a bit our pupils dilate and constrict with pleasure at catching sight of each other again. You can't manufacture that shit, it's biological.
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Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boy Racer: I'm not sure about the idea that 'uglies' necessarily spawn 'uglies' or vice versa, surely physical attractiveness can be more accurately attributed to a combination of genetic lottery, fashion, and personal taste.
I would say that for me, fashion is never an issue. Possibly because I'm not into designer stuff anyway, but clothes never leap out at me in the way that cheekbones, height, physique or eyes do. Probably some clothes add some information about status, but the basic primal searchlight is looking for a specimen with a physique that suggests health and reproductive fitness.
It's a good point about the inheritance levels of ugliness, though. Thorn noted the other day that Liv Tyler's mother must be astoundingly good looking, for someone with Steve Tyler's genetic contribution to come up trumps like that. Perhaps in a couple of years time somebody will fund me to do a PhD investigating such trends!
Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
By fashion I meant in terms of the sorts of faces and physical shapes that are fashionable within a culture at a time, rather than clothing.
To me many people generally excepted as very, very attractive these days (and I suspect always) appear staggeringly close to freakish. Consider how little adjustment of their features it would take to throw them out the other side of good looking again.
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Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
Got any examples of that, BR? I'm struggling to think how any adjustment of features belonging to the likes of Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Lauren Bacall, Vivan Leigh etc could make them non-beautiful. Unless you mean the addition of some photoshopped spazzing goggle eyes or something.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: He said he was "gutted but had to respect my opinion" but what I wonder about is why did he deliberately not send me photos of what he really looked like? He said from the start that he thought I was "out of his league" so why not save us both some time and emotional effort and be honest with me?
In fairness, most pictures that get posted "to show you what I look like" as opposed to group shots of meats/events etc tend to be a little jazzed-up, to say the least. Now people have the luxury of selecting the best of fifty or so shots from a digital camera there's no way they're going to go for the passport-looking one that gives a reasonably accurate representation of what they look like.
No, I imagine your man's been burned before by that kind of honesty. Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
She has good hair. Shall I get my hair like that? Im not sure I could bring myself to turn up to a hairdressers clutching a picture of a BB contestatnt though. Hmm...maybe the hairdresser wont watch BB and so wont realise who she is. No that is pretty unlikely....maybe I could black out her face....
[ 31.05.2005, 09:09: Message edited by: Abby ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: In fairness, most pictures that get posted "to show you what I look like" as opposed to group shots of meats/events etc tend to be a little jazzed-up, to say the least. Now people have the luxury of selecting the best of fifty or so shots from a digital camera there's no way they're going to go for the passport-looking one that gives a reasonably accurate representation of what they look like.
No, I imagine your man's been burned before by that kind of honesty.
I wouldn't mind if he had done a jazzed up picture, but his weren't jazzed up to improve they were blurred and distorted to hide.
Abby: I said exactly the same thing about Sam's hair. She has got good colour on it too!
Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
I'd say Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt (and his forthcoming co-star/rebound shag Angelina Jolie), and Liv Tyler are pretty good examples of that actually (I'd add any number of contemporary models to that list, or US soap stars for that matter), and although I'm not sure I'd count either Bacall or Leigh as contemporary I'm not certain the same doesn't wouldn't apply to them also.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boy Racer: To me many people generally excepted as very, very attractive these days (and I suspect always) appear staggeringly close to freakish. Consider how little adjustment of their features it would take to throw them out the other side of good looking again.
I can only assume that judging by the use of "excepted" (accepted?) you are quite confused.
Please can you explain how Brad Pitt is "staggeringly close to freakish".
Also, what does it mean that a little adjustment would render them ugly. It's like saying that with a little adjustment Jade Goody would be witty and entertaining. It's meaningless, these people are not going to disappear the other side of good looking.
I get the impression you're trying to make some point about modern standards of attractiveness, but I'm really not getting it.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
Ooo, Beppe De Marco lives !
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: I wouldn't mind if he had done a jazzed up picture, but his weren't jazzed up to improve they were blurred and distorted to hide.
There's a porous line between the one and the other: a lot of pics posted on tmo have been "improved" by the subject upping the contrast levels or overexposing the pic to the point where their features reach that creamy, idealised look of animé characters. Are these distortions - or maybe the subject's attempts to reinject that element of their own charisma that the camera maybe hasn't picked up? At any rate, it would sometimes be difficult to single out that person in a crowded bar on the basis of what they'd posted online.
There are a lot of people here who don't photograph half so well as they ought to - their allure only really comes across when you encounter them in the flesh. I think it's understandable that this guy would want to at least have the chance to make an impression face to face, and a bit shallow that you should demand a clinically-accurate shot upon which to make a lump-him-or-dump-him remote assessment.
I'm not sure all that many of us would survive such a weeding process.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: a lot of pics posted on tmo have been "improved" by the subject upping the contrast levels or overexposing the pic to the point where their features reach that creamy, idealised look of animé characters
Do you really mean a lot or did you have someone in mind?
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
I appreciate it is shallow which is why in my original post I had hope to get across that I felt uncomfortable about realising this about myself. However a few points need to be made for clarification.
Pictures posted on TMO are different from pictures on an internet dating site. In fact internet dating is like nothing else on earth. You become both shallow and cynical flicking through profiles to see who you want to pick, selecting or rejecting on the flimsiest of critieria.
The whole concept of browsing profiles and looking at photos to pick your date is based on how attractive you find that person on their look and how they come across on the screen. When you first start internet dating you are much more open and willing to interact with most people, you browse the profiles and spend time chosing which ones you add to your favourites or send a message too.
After a few unsucessful dates you start to review your criteria and some people widen and some people tighten their selections. The profile of the man in question I had actually seen a few weeks earlier and rejected because I was going through a phase of rejecting any profiles which said they wouldn't date anyone who already had children. And I don't even have children.
Different rules apply to online dating and it is all about that shallow selection process of a photo or two and the words on the screen. Until you meet in the flesh you have nothing else to go on. And lets face it, if you're going to be selective you might as well try for the whole package.
The thing that was particularly annoying about this guy was that he had spent a long time talking about how he was "misled" by this other girl. As I mentioned previously I thought he was implying that he thought I might have been doing the same to him but it turned out when we met up it was because he knew he was doing the same thing to me. He told me he deliberately didn't point me to the direction of some other photos online because he thought they were a more accurate representation of what he looked like.
He can't be annoyed with someone for misleading him when he was doing the exact same thing, surely?
But yes, it's shallow, but it's honest. Bear in mind this is to do with dating specifically, you apply different standards to your romantic partners than you might do to friends and the wider world of relationships.
If you haven't "dated" in the past couple of years then you will probably find things very different from when you used to "go out" with someone or "see" them. And internet dating is a whole other realm on top of that.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
I take an awful photo. Mind, that said I'm also pretty low on a rating scale anyway if I was responsible for making the ratings.
Maybe that's the problem with this question, for what some see as a 10 is for someone else only a 5 or less, we all have things we individually find attractive and thats the only way we can scale anything - to our own perspective.
I don't think the dude in VP's picture is in anyway out of her league but she does I wonder why that is ?
All it took was a few extra pounds and some bad teeth to turn this:
Into this:
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
Surely the concept of attractiveness being down to genetics has been disproved for ages now?
My understandaing is that a bone structure can help towards an attractive face, but personality has more to do with it than that which does not meet the eye. A persons' personality comes through on their face, before they've even openined it, as the face is shaped by years of expressions. hence why happy, energetic people look a lot more attractive than people who spend their lives being angry.
Of course, the problem is when you're as attractive as I am, and you find it almost impossible to find anyone to be intimate with, because everyone assumes you have such high standards that you'd never even think about sleeping with someone who thinks they're below your level of attractiveness. Which is rubbish really.
But then it's easy to criticise the other way - look at VP for instance, who is accused of haivng unreasonably high standards, but what would be the alternative - to sleep with people she didn't find attractive, just for the sake of having sex? There's no accounting for taste, and there's no way of really criticising something so personal, about which the person has no real choice anyway.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ringo: hence why happy, energetic people look a lot more attractive than people who spend their lives being angry.
Oh no!
Interesting that you think personality comes out in facial features. I've never really thought about that, although I associate brown eyes with being warmer and somehow friendlier than blue.
I like Darryn's point about Charlize Theron being munted up in Monster, see also: Cameron Diaz in Being John Malkovitch. I wonder how many Hollywood starlets would consent to being frumpified for their Art?
I also wonder how much people's expectations are changed by the recent practice of airbrushing, meaning that pretty much anyone can look at least half decent in a glossy photo shoot. This seems to be balanced by a sort of deliriously gleeful pouncing on exciting KATE WINSLETT GOES TO THE SHOPS IN A TRACKSUIT WITH NO MAKE UP ON! stories. And people being shocked at Britney being a non-natural blonde, and a little bit skanky in non-celeb mode. It's like we can't decide whether we want our glossy demi-gods to be always perfect, or a little bit real.
Edit: still waiting for an explanation as to how Brad Pitt can be described as one skin cell away from being a grotesque circus exhibit.
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Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
Brad is at the cutting edge of bone structure and skin tautness..
He is getting very thin around the cheeks and could possible start to look a little skeleton like. He also has a very low body fat mass which are both trait shared with heroin junkies.
Its the very fine line there s to be walked between looking cool and looking like a dickhead/beautiful/ugly.
Mr Depp always astounds me though he's always looked good even when trying to look bad.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Oh no!
Interesting that you think personality comes out in facial features. I've never really thought about that, although I associate brown eyes with being warmer and somehow friendlier than blue.
I wonder if that has more to do with the colour of your own yes, and how you project your own perceptions of your personality onto other people.
I wouldn't say you were really genuinely miserable or angry. I've always thought of you as being quite 'fun' and I would say your face and personality match quite well in that respect.
The interesting thing about the idea of pitching above ones station is this: I generally don't find the uber attractive celebrities attractive in any way.Part of me would like to believe that it's because they're not really terribly great people, too used to having their own way, and thinking too mcuh of themselves although I have a feeling that it's also partly because I resent their self assuredness and their incredible looks, through which they are able to achieve great things without seeming to make any kind of effort.
(edit - cunted up my ubb)
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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Glamour is a facade. The average joe can look beautiful or tough, or a little rough and ready and sexy and phwoar. There are many steps to making this possible. When the wall is broken down and people see that Matthew Broderick steps in shit or Natalie Portmans nipples are browner than first imagined the public love it. They want to be shown that their objek de zeer are just like everybody else.
The last photoshoot my band had was about 60 shots and we used 2 of them. Just to contradict, I was absoloutely stoked with all of them, but we picked the ones that looked like band shots, whereas the other ones just looked like some idiots sat about on the floor. The guitarist, Felix has the ability to look like some kind of NME darling in every photo because he has been through the same routine over and over again. The technique doesn't work unless everyone is playing the same game though. So hamming up for a holiday snap makes you look like Imelda Quirke.
As for the 'Madonna in defecates like normal folk shocker', it conjures fantasies for the ming. That they too could be a screen star or a rock god if only they could escape their existence of work drudgery and spend more time preening and posing.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ringo: I wouldn't say you were really genuinely miserable or angry. I've always thought of you as being quite 'fun'
Do you mean like how a roller coaster is fun or are you working on the idea that the lighter the girl = throwaround?
Posted by Grianagh (Member # 583) on :
what about the attractive witty couples that have met via internet related scenerios?
i'm sure we can all think of a few examples just from this site
as far as the limpy fat american that agreed to marry the depressed english guy - sounds like a fair deal to me
i suppose i don't think in terms of leagues and levels of attraction. i prefer to hold onto the thought of mutual attraction as some spontanious magical zzzzippp.
(edit: and i wasn't implying mart and myself - though we are pretty great )
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Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
quote:Originally posted by Grianagh: what about the attractive witty couples that have met via internet related scenerios?
i'm sure we can all think of a few examples just from this site
What do you mean here though, Gree? I wasn't saying that everyone who meets on the net mings or that internet dating sites are for losers otherwise I would be a minging loser! O. Wait.
We all want to think in terms of a magical zzpp and that is surely what happens when two people meet who are attracted to each other instantly but I think everyone must see that people have different qualities which people "rate" differently - that is just a "league (or level) of attractiveness" but under a different guise.
We do it with ourselves all the time. We know when we look great and when we ming and when we fall somewhere in the middle of our scale of attractiveness for ourselves. So if we do it to ourselves, why wouldn't we do it to other people? I think the problem might be when you then start to make judgments based purely on one facet of someone such as their looks.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
Oh for fucks sake. Whats wrong with judging people on looks? Its as valid as intelligence, humour or money. Anyone who thinks it's shallow is probably a minger.
'I chose Geoffrey because he's so funny and witty' 'Sven has a huge penis' 'My bird is totally fit' 'Yeah, she's a doctor' 'He treats me right. We have three cars and a patio' 'She might be a munt but she's a lovely personality'
All as shallow, or as deep, as each other. Get over yerselves.
Oh yeah - and when did 'personality' become so important ? The word has been devalued so much its currency equivalent is 'celebrity' which means, anything you want it to. I reckon its a salve used to defend a decision rather than the basis of one.
[ 01.06.2005, 08:21: Message edited by: Vanilla Online Persona ]
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vanilla Online Persona: Oh yeah - and when did 'personality' become so important ?
It makes an ugly person fuckable, so it covers a large scope of people.
Posted by Grianagh (Member # 583) on :
i didn't feel as if you were implying internet people all ming Ubs - i was just (badly) expressing that anyone anywhere can be attracted to another person with or without a conscious league scale - any many of us don't have one
it's true that i find various people attractive due to appearance and personality yet i've never thought someone was too sexy, good, smart or funny to be partnered with me nor have i felt too good-blah-blah for someone else based upon my appearance
i think this thread is gr8
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
That's what I was meaning about being aware that there may be some kind of "scale" but not using it to judge people by.
I suppose to relate it back to my work you can have a scale but it can be a scale of "ability" rather than "dis-ability". As VOP said it can be a valid criteria but I don't think it should be the only one, with people we should always look at all the facets.
[ 01.06.2005, 08:34: Message edited by: Uber Trick ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
ability / dis-ability *cringe* Sometimes when I'm being mondo gay I use ease / dis-ease as well.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: It makes an ugly person fuckable, so it covers a large scope of people.
NWOD there, using 'personality' to justify his hobby 'pigging', a noble and time-honoured tradition.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
What's 'pigging'? I mean - I think I can guess, but I want you to come right out and say it.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
Some men, foul dirty men, men like NWOD, are known as bin-men because they pick up the bags at the end of the night. Not because they've personally been rejected all night, but because they prey on the women who've been rejected all night. More grateful for it and all that. You, I believe, have lived in Cardiff and Redhill so I'm sure you are familiar with such practices. Think 'The Embassy' on a Friday night. You've seen it there. And at Abacabs across the road. I know you have. Well, they're 'Piggers'.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
What a vivid imagination. I liked the bit that made me the abuser rather than the abusee. Have you ever been ten to twoed Vopp?
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
It works for ladies too. Although the practice known as 'pigging' is fairly rare amongst women, there is a fair amount of TMO evidence that Vogan Poetess has tried it at least once.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I would certainly only go for somebody who I felt had something to give me, but it isn't always physical attractiveness. I've slept with girls who weren't my type, purely because they have come across as being intelligent and mature enough to know how to relax in the sack.
I suppose I have a 'league' in my head, but only in the sense that if a girl is obviously thick or sexually immature, then I wouldn't bother chasing them, unless I was drunk. I'd probably consider any girl who was very rich to be 'above' me, because my poverty would only be a drain to them. I don't mind having sex with girls who are self-obsessesed in either positive or negative directions, because they will try very hard to do everything perfect, which is alright. I don't think I see many women who I would consider to be wholly unnattractive, and likewise, completely perfect.
I can't think of a time when I have been scared to talk to a girl specifically because she was attractive though. Perhaps when a girl is really made up so that you can't even discern what she actually looks like, I am unlikely to feel comfortable in talking to her because of the whole mask, but not because I would believe her to be more attractive than me.
I don't even know any women that I would consider to be unnattractive, apart from in character, and that has always been revealed after a relationship has been formed.
I don't know. Sometimes I don't find anybody attractive, sometimes everybody is. I don't think about celebrities in these terms, although I did have a dream where my brother got to screw britney spears recently, and I was annoyed because I missed out, but only because she was giving free shags. Many of these celebrity women look the same to me. Whenever I see Heat, and they show all the girls on the catwalk, they all look identical, regardless of how many time I'm told which one is Lindsey Lohan and which one isn't. In Sin City, the stripper and the girlfriend of Clive Owen looked pretty similar, and I got confused over which was which in places.
So, for me it's how distinct a girl looks as well as having no obvious muntations. Also, I don't think that I'm good or bad looking. Nothing drastically wrong with me, but then, nothing to write home about. Sort of neutral, which means that I've got everything to play for, but I'm not disadvantaged until I start trying to be funny or clever. I wouldn't be falsely modest about my looks - I was never bullied for being a freak, and I've never had a girlfriend who I didn't think was attractive both to me individually and enduringly, and conventionally so to other people. If people do go for people of equal attractiveness, then I think I've been punching above my weight to a degree, but that perception could come from finding my girlfriends more attractive than me as characters. And, for me, it's important that the girl knows that she is attractive... It adds to her power, her confidence. I did have a girlfriend as a teenager who was down on herself, and by the end of it, I was down on her too. She had convinced me that she was fat and ugly, even though she wasn't. She is now though, I think, so perhaps she was just looking out for me.
I wouldn't judge character on looks alone, but I would use looks as the first check, and I assume that others would do it to me.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: What a vivid imagination. I liked the bit that made me the abuser rather than the abusee. Have you ever been ten to twoed Vopp?
I have never 10to2ed, well, not really. I have punched below my attractiveness weight on several occasions - was this just to get a shag? Yeah, on occasion, I guess. Is that the same thing?
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I abused this chick one time, and felt bad for ages afterwards.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I ten to twoed last summer, and came up with a cracker! 19 y/o art student called Jess. I couldn't find my underpants the next morning, which was embarrasing.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
Intellectually, I have no idea where I stand on the attractiveness scale, but when confronted with a potential shaggee am aware of their standing compared with me. *higher higher, lower lower - you don't get anything for a pair, not in this game*. If higher (the more common position), I tend to become flummoxed to the point of being rude to them, as if already perceiving rejection. If lower, I can chat away, with a slight feeling of 'ooh, I hope they don't like me'. What generally happens then is that as I get to know them they creep upwards on the attractiveness scale, until two things happen - I realise they're quite hott and resort to rudeness, and get embarrassed that I misjudged their hottness and foolish that I ever thought they might fancy me.
Then again, I had a boyfriend who was superhott, and all the girls in the village fancied him, but I was really mean to him. Don't know what that means, I'm sure.
Thank criminy R and I found each other, blindly, on the bottom of a pond.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I've yet to go out with someone I'd even consider my equal let alone my superior on the scale of attractiveness. Girls like VP, Rose, Octavia are OK looking I suppose but it's the ease of it that I find attractive. The fact I didn't have to put much effort into chasing or holding onto them is probably 90% of the reason for going out with them. One day I might go out with someone hott, but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to muster the effort as long as mid-level girls keep throwing themselves at me.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: mid-level girls
Still not quite brave enough to say entry level (y'know just in case) but that's one sweet post up there, reminds me why I like the place.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
The only factor that seperates the mid-table applicants is desperation. Its a sorely underestimated facet of attractiveness in my opinion.
Ladies in their mid-thirties are fantastic for this very reason.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Are you saying that anyone who fucks Thorn Davis is clearly desperate? That's so mean!
I went out on a date recently with a guy who was waaaaay too hott for me. I knew it. I knew it so much that I didn't even bother to fancy him or flirt with him. He was this Italian anarcho-punk hipster type. Like, Carhartt jeans and hair in a fucked-up kind of mullet and piercings all over his face, but he was so beautiful, so exquisite-looking, that none of the metal in his face, or the scissors tattooed on his collarbones, detracted in the least from his beauty. As I spoke to him I saw other girls glancing at him, smiling extra-meaningfully as they asked him for a light: and we went to a gig and I saw some girls I knew from nightclubs and I was glad that they had seen me with him, for I knew that would reflect well on me.
But he was so beautiful that it left me cold. I knew he would have fucked me if I'd wanted it - hey, it's the sex, right? And we all like the sex. But…I didn't want it. We sat on the stairs in a cold passageway in the club and talked, and later, as the band were starting, he offered me his hand to help me up. If he'd been less attractive I would have taken the hand. I would have flirted. But I kept imagining us in bed together; and it was like imagining a horse having sex with a swan or something. Just… wrongness.
Would a man be like that? [checks thread, sees Thorn Davis' post about Rose / VP / Octavia.] No. A man would fuck whether or not he considered himself worthy. O poor women and our low self-esteem. I knew I would have felt so stupid, getting abused by this beautiful boy, that I would not enjoy the sex. So I left. Out of my league: not unhaveable, but unwantable precisely because he was so attractive.
As for my past boyfriends (I think Lisa means Jake, Phillip and The Abuser, don't you? Are there any other hott ones?) being gorgeous and me being a minger… well, don't forget a) my incredible arrogance - it gets a girl a long way: b) my mAdD wRitInG sKilLz - can help a girl bat above her level in the right circles, and course c) - I take it in the ass. The pulling power of said triumvirate should never be underestimated.
(Miscogynists, don't bother making a joke about this point about taking in the ass / being slutty - I've already made the joke, see? Quoting it and putting a funny picture or something would be a bit lame I think. Just an idea! )
Serious though blud - there is this thing called 'behavioural beauty' which I only just read about. So whenevs I look at a picture of myself which mings (e.g. every time I look at a picture of myself) I simply say 'yes, but this photo cannot capture my immense behavioural beauty', and then I am happy again. C'est simple! You can then sit next to a lover ten years your junior, with skin like porcelain, and not feel the least bit preposterous! (At least, that's the technique Kovacs told me he uses.)
[ 01.06.2005, 10:49: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: there is this thing called 'behavioural beauty' which I only just read about
Lahndahn in 'Who Moved My Cheese?' endorsement shocker.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Is that where it is from? I thought it was in one of my sister's magazines.
*when threatened, blame sister. never fails*
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
No idea really, I was just grabbing at the first psycho-drivel bird-book I could think of.
I wanna write one when I grow up.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
Have you never wanted to bang someone for no other reason than they were gagging for you ?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I did do that once by accident, yes.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
Was it Thong Davies ?
Posted by Roy (Member # 705) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vanilla Online Persona: Have you never wanted to bang someone for no other reason than they were gagging for you ?
Yeah, and I got six years for it.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
See, I'm the other way round - in the right light I can look extremely fetching in a photo, but I have all the grace of a pissed walrus on crack. And bad habits, christ, I'm absolutely filthy. Still, some people can be attractive no matter what they do - like a female friend who I was sitting on my bed with last night, watching a film. "I've got a wedgie" she proclaimed, before thrusting her hand in her trousers to fish out the offending pants. From the front.. And still I sat there wishing she would acknowledge and respond to my advances..
[ 01.06.2005, 10:58: Message edited by: Ringo ]
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ringo: And still I sat there wishing she would acknowledge and respond to my advances..
I assume you mean telling her how great she looks today or leaning across and pulling a strand of hair that's gone awry or even maybe running over to her side of the car and chirping 'allow me' with a cheeky, toothy smile but I know you mean advance like a giant mech-droid insect army does on Tokyo City in the year 2506.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: If you haven't "dated" in the past couple of years then you will probably find things very different from when you used to "go out" with someone or "see" them. And internet dating is a whole other realm on top of that.
I don't think there's that great an imaginative leap to make to understand what it feels like to try and locate a lover in the Zeroes. I'm inclined to think involvement in online communities like tmo would yield more interesting results than flipping through a bunch of pictures as a first-level screening technique.
Not that the forums would be some sort of 'hunting ground', but I could imagine being single would allow me to interact at a level that being in a relationship - let alone marriage-with-child - naturally precludes. My rating on 'hotornot' barely ever scraped a 5 (also, I've deteriorated somewhat since back then) so I doubt the "shallow but honest" route of uploading my pic onto the virtual meatrack.
Also: look at the happiness found by hollow-eyed loners like Scrawny, Octavia and Miss Golightly. Who could have guessed they'd find such happy endings?
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: like a giant mech-droid insect army does on Tokyo City in the year 2506.
Actually I'm perfectly gentlemanly with her. And it's Neo-Tokyo, assfiend.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
I didn't mean you specifically ben. And you can add my name to the list of happy hollow-eyed forettes with their forumite boyfriends Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
[ 01.06.2005, 17:59: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ringo: And it's Neo-Tokyo, assfiend.
This may look dissful, but cult film fans may have enjoyed 1982s Godzilla Vs Assfiend, or as it's known in Japan: Super Soccer Riot Monster Smash Party!!! (die fiend of ass) Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: I didn't mean you specifically ben. And you can add my name to the list of happy hollow-eyed forettes with their forumite boyfriends
*GASP!!* *DOUBLE-TAKE!!*
Whom teh fulk? I am sooo out of the loop it isn't funny.
Also: I was down in London last night for a secret meeting with a well-known forum regular. Alas! It fell through and I was once again left 'stranded at the Travel Inn'. Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I am proud to announce the forthcoming nuptuals of Miss Uber Trick and Mr New Way of Decay! Lol, that means Lisa's name will be Uber Decay. ROCK.
Ben, there isn't a loop any more. It's just friends, hanging out.
[ 02.06.2005, 04:44: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: That's what I was meaning about being aware that there may be some kind of "scale" but not using it to judge people by.
I suppose to relate it back to my work you can have a scale but it can be a scale of "ability" rather than "dis-ability". As VOP said it can be a valid criteria but I don't think it should be the only one, with people we should always look at all the facets.
I agree with this, and VOP's post that preceeded it, too an extent.
I'd say that whilst I'm aware of the idea of some nebulous culturally accepted league of physical attractiveness (and indeed other culturally accepted factors of attraction) that that has little to do with how I rate someone as a prospective friend/partner/shag, and that it's much more about what I like than what is generally accepted.
Ultimately I think it comes back to the subjectivity of taste in terms of what people find attractive, even in terms of simple aesthetics. What some people might, even claiming objectivity, see as uber hott, others may see as bland or uninteresting. I think Ben's assessment of VP's "onethatgotaway" as averagely of a type may be a reasonable illustration of this in this thread.
But this may simply be the way that I, and perhaps some others here are, rather than the way people behave more generally.
VP as to my original point about the extremes of physical attractiveness, I think what I may have been attempting to say was that any extremes are in themselves freakish. I'm not sure that this has changed with time, or if this has always been so. Therefore I'd say those regarded as very, very, attractive are often inherantly freakish. For example large/full lips, dimples, structural lines, a strong jaw line and cheekbones can all work to create a Brad Pitt, or just as easily a Dominque Pinon.
Of course, this is just my subjective opinion, and I don't expect you to accept it.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
Re uber decay nuptials :googlyeyes: Fer real? That would rule.
We could have the reception at the Shanghai, or the Cock. Maybe Steelgate could be a page, and present the rings on a cushion stuffed with his own hair.
[ 02.06.2005, 05:07: Message edited by: herbs ]
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
No: not true at all, but I do think that the next wedding should definitely have its reception at the Shanghai. My friend Sophie is going to have her birthday do there as well! The Shanghai is rock and karaoke rules.
Sorry. Beauty.
[ 02.06.2005, 05:07: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by Jessica Rabbit (Member # 776) on :
Golly! The wedding should definitely be streamed onto TMo. That would be appropriate I think. Anyway - congratulations! Have you set a date yet?
Posted by scrawny (Member # 113) on :
Amp - what have you started?
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
I'm a fast worker but not that fast. No nuptuals yet people, sorry! But yes, me and Mikee are going out as has been posted several times on the boards over the past few weeks including once on this very thread. I guess ben has just been skim reading my posts which may explain why he didn't seem to grasp my point!
Uber Decay - ROCK *makes skull face*
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
this takes me back to the summer of 2003.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Uber - are you calling your sister a "fucking liar"?
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
My parents told me that a better way of saying it was "a very imaginative little girl" unless Mikee's told Amp something I don't know. But I doubt it Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Uber Decay + New Trick
What a couple!
Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
Hold on. Isn't there someone else called Mikee or Mikie on TMO? I thought NWOD or Mikee Television were the same person, right. But there's someone else on here by the same name.
Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: I guess ben has just been skim reading my posts which may explain why he didn't seem to grasp my point!
MAYBE HE DIDN'T GIVE A GOOD GOD DAMN ABOUT WHO YOU ARE FUCKING! POSSIBLE? Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
Ooooo, it's a Morlock from that 'The Time Machine' mooovie..
(The original good one and not the shitty Guy Pierce/Mumba remake)
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Hold on. Isn't there someone else called Mikee or Mikie on TMO? I thought NWOD or Mikee Television were the same person, right. But there's someone else on here by the same name.
You're correct that New Way of Decay's real name is Michael Television aka Mikee TV. I believe there is also another forumite called 'Mikey' or 'Mikie' who may or may not be Uber Trick's cat.
Posted by The Truth (Member # 755) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: MAYBE HE DIDN'T GIVE A GOOD GOD DAMN ABOUT WHO YOU ARE FUCKING! POSSIBLE?
If you're not interested in who she's fucking this week, or what her cats are doing or her tedious in jokes, you don't have to read it. Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
I'm gonna have to come along to one of those meats sometime and snag myself my very own shagmuppet, everyone's getting snapped up!
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
This is an ace idea for a thread. I've been wanting to find an in-route since it started but never managed to find the time to do it justice. Now I have found the time it is cos I am catastrophically hungover. Hence I will apologise in advance for this being rubbish.
I was out drinking with collegues last night -- something I would rather steer well clear of but I got caught off guard. Anyway, there is this girl writing her thesis with my group at the moment and she's really really hott. And we have been flirting quite a bit since she joined. Only while drinking, though. It seems now though, that nothing is ever going to happen precisely because we are in exactly the same league. Not only is she soft and funny and smooth and ace, but she is a genius scientist as well. And she drinks a lot of tequilla. I'm sure you will all appreciate that this is a very rare creature indeed. But anyway, yeah, we both score probably between 8.5 to 9 on the out-of-10 scale and there seems to be no way in. People make jokes about it and everything. Not that many people actually but some. Or at least one. It feels like to get something started you actually need some kind of gradient; an attractiveness differential. Otherwise the system is impenetrable. In more ways than one, in case anyone was thinking about picking up on that. Fuck. I'm not sure quite where I was going with this. It seems to have evaporated from my brain somewehre in between home and work.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Oh my god, The Truth is so gay! Ooh look, people are having a go at Ubertrick, excellent! I can log out of my usual persona and swirl my magical mystery cloak and have a go at her, because I'm too chicken to do it in my real guise! God, who are you? Who here is that shit? Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Oh my god, The Truth is so gay!
I was compared to THe Truth recently by some fukkker.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: MAYBE HE DIDN'T GIVE A GOOD GOD DAMN ABOUT WHO YOU ARE FUCKING! POSSIBLE?
Totally! How could ben or anyone else muster the energy to be interested in someones elses life when they are still busy reeling from your engagement announcement or showering you with congratulations for your new job. Or laminating the press shot for tv. Or prostrating with their book suggestions for a plane trip. I think Uber expects much.
I forgive ben, he didn't know it would be someone of importance so his eyes did not see. Check out my mad skills of Obfuscate.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: MAYBE HE DIDN'T GIVE A GOOD GOD DAMN ABOUT WHO YOU ARE FUCKING! POSSIBLE?
lol kovacs my "point" which I refer to was to do with the thread topic and a point we were discussing re: jazzed up photographs not my boyfriend. Jeezus people.
Mikie is a poster who I don't know, Mikey is indeed my cat but has only "posted" twice two years ago unless you count my sisters birthday thread. New Way of Decay is Mikee Teevee / Michael Television. Mikee is my boyfriend. Mikey is my cat.
Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
Ooo - Uber's nearly at the 4k. What do you get for that again?
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
word on the wire is that the truth is busy preparing something really special.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by statist: Only while drinking, though. It seems now though, that nothing is ever going to happen precisely because we are in exactly the same league. [...] we both score probably between 8.5 to 9 on the out-of-10 scale and there seems to be no way in.[...]It feels like to get something started you actually need some kind of gradient; an attractiveness differential. Otherwise the system is impenetrable.
Statist, what are you saying here. This whole thread is built upon the premise that people need to be equally placed upon the beauty gradient to get it on - and now you're saying that you and this chick are too evenly matched to get it on? What makes you and her so different? Are you sure you're not saying that when people are too similar in every way (scientist, alcoholic tendencies) there can be no spark of attraction? And how come when we met you expressed suprise at being considered 'hott', yet now you call yourself practically a ten? Or is this a special scientist ten which is different to a normal ten?
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: Mikie is a poster who I don't know, Mikey is indeed my cat but has only "posted" twice two years ago unless you count my sisters birthday thread.
Why wouldn't you count that? That's like saying "I haven't posted for three weeks, unless you count the times I've posted."
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
because once in a moment of hungover madness which I mistook for extreme comedy I registered Mikey my cat and made a couple of posts. I was young and foolish then. I was slightly discounting Amp's birthday thread as it was under my log-in with Mikey as a narrator. Of course a cat can't post, silly!
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: because once in a moment of hungover madness which I mistook for extreme comedy I registered Mikey my cat and made a couple of posts.
Fucking hell, I'm glad I missed that.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Get back on topic, you faggots!
Posted by The Truth (Member # 755) on :
I didn't think my opinion of your posting could actually go down, but having read that I no longer believe that your posting would be suited to handbag. I don't think you're up to their level.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Shit, The Truth, I'd best leave the boards then, huh? As if I'd bother taking any notice of what a nobody like you has to say on my posting, my life or anything else. I've asked you to post what your problem is with me directly but you just run away and hide. If you want me to even consider what you're saying then tell me who you are stop hiding and start being honest. You don't know "me" as in Lisa, you think you know "Uber Trick" but you're just pathetic really fucking pathetic. Unless you start fronting expect no more reaction from me.
Let's get the thread back on track please.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Are you staying for the whole day The Truth? It's nearly friday after all and we have a two for one special on spiteful haters.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
this threa'd are rad
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Statist, what are you saying here.
O God I have no fucking clue what I'm going on about. That what are you going on about question is one of the worst.
quote:Originally posted by London: This whole thread is built upon the premise that people need to be equally placed upon the beauty gradient to get it on - and now you're saying that you and this chick are too evenly matched to get it on?
Er yeah. I was disagreeing with the premise of the thread then. My point (if you can call it that) is that relationships/marriages/flings/whatevers only work if one of the participants is loads better than the other one. It doesn't necessarily have to be looks.
quote:Originally posted by London: What makes you and her so different? Are you sure you're not saying that when people are too similar in every way (scientist, alcoholic tendencies) there can be no spark of attraction?
No. Not at all. The attraction is way present. I don't like tequilla. In fact, I don't really like many spirits really. Attraction is independent of the differential. But on perfect surfaces there are no weak spots -- no ways of breaking in and getting to the next level.
quote:Originally posted by London: And how come when we met you expressed suprise at being considered 'hott', yet now you call yourself practically a ten? Or is this a special scientist ten which is different to a normal ten?
I was being modest when we met. Now I'm being <spends 10 minutes trying to think of the correct antonym, gives up and writes:> big-headed/arrogant and bullshitting (maybe by one or so on the scale ) . The point being, I read (most of) this thread and got pissed off with people saying they are ugly.
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
Actually, I don't mind being compared to The Truth now. The Truth is OK in my book.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
wtf??
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Er yeah. I was disagreeing with the premise of the thread then. My point (if you can call it that) is that relationships/marriages/flings/whatevers only work if one of the participants is loads better than the other one. It doesn't necessarily have to be looks.
That's just way wrong. That's like backwards to how it is. I think, basically, you're too chickenshit to lay down some moves on this chick and trying to invent some kind of cosmic rule that absolves you from responsibility for this. It's patently not true that two similarly specced people just can't get it on, and "I think you should put that idea out of your head right away, and concentrate on trying to fuck that broad", as Jesus put it.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
Actually my theory is that you really only feel comfortable around people you feel are ever so slightly below you in terms of physical attractiveness and personal achievability. That way there is no jealousy.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
This girl, statist - will she let you wear hats?
Posted by Boy Racer (Member # 498) on :
I would say that I have beenoutwith/shagged/whatevered women below, equal to, and far above me in terms of pure aesthetic good looks. I'd say this is true both based on my own perceptions of aesthetic beauty and those held by wider society at present, just the rankings might change.
I don't think I've ever really regarded any women as 'out of my league' based on looks (or much else for that matter, and surely it matters as much how they regard you on this imaginary/undefined scale).
[ 02.06.2005, 08:03: Message edited by: Boy Racer ]
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: This girl, statist - will she let you wear hats?
Heh. Right, I just asked her. Well, I didn't say "would you let me wear a hat when we finally get it on?" but better phrased it as "do you think I would look good in a hat?". And she said something about actually having seen me in a hat at a party which I have little to no recollection of. And on asking her if I looked good in the hat, she said yes. SO! looks like I could get away with it, yes. Sweet.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
If you ever grow the balls to ask her out, wear a hat
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: That's just way wrong. That's like backwards to how it is. I think, basically, you're too chickenshit to lay down some moves on this chick and trying to invent some kind of cosmic rule that absolves you from responsibility for this. It's patently not true that two similarly specced people just can't get it on, and "I think you should put that idea out of your head right away, and concentrate on trying to fuck that broad", as Jesus put it.
No. Everyone else is inventing the cosmic rule. It's just that they all agree with eachother. All this out of my league stuff, I'm way too ugly for them. The pressure of similarity is great, particularly at the high end of the scale.
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
Having said that, women are always doing that. Saying you can do things and then changing the rules. The hat would be allowed for like 10 minutes but it would soon be banished, I expect. It's all a big con.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
Why is the similarity pressure any greater 'at the high end of the scale' than for normal people? Are good looking people vainer, and thus more embarrassed to go out with a 6 or 7 minger?
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: Why is the similarity pressure any greater 'at the high end of the scale' than for normal people? Are good looking people vainer, and thus more embarrassed to go out with a 6 or 7 minger?
Well, yeah. Of course. You do see a lot of 1 to 3s together. Truly double-hott couples are fewer and further between.
I like the 6 or 7 minger though. It's like that fat size 12 or something but the other way around.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
no no - you see I was referring to 6 or 7 as a 'minger' as that's how a vain self-judged 8 or 9 would see them. Like.
[ 02.06.2005, 08:18: Message edited by: herbs ]
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by statist: Actually, I don't mind being compared to The Truth now. The Truth is OK in my book.
Why is The Truth ok, hangover boy? At least if The Truth wasn't a total pussy about things, and said mean stuff to people in its normal guise, we could have a proper fight / feud. As it is, The Truth’s recreant means of attack is depriving the boards of the full-on bunfight we so clearly deserve. It comes on, and has a go at weirdly neutral people like, erm…Meg??? And Uber??? ..and then it runs off again before things can develop into a massive fight. It’s the cyber equivalent of a poison pen letter snuck into a cardigan pocket at school. What a gaywad.
And what if your wife reads about work girl? I can’t write anything about my current I mean EX crush just in case I get cyberstalked. How come the legally trothed get cyber-freedom?
Also: Scrawny and Bandy for the double-hott couple. They so perfectly prove the beauty gradient theory that it's almost hilarious.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Perhaps for Ubers 4000 post, Darryn could check The Truths IP address and confirm whether it's an outsider or a regular. That would be good.
Unless Darryn checks and finds out it's his IP address and goes on to find out that he has been going to his pc in the night and downloading the crazy frog to his phone, having dinner parties, listening to Boyzone and signing on as The Truth in his sleep. Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
shit. caught out
Ba ding ding ding ding...
[ 02.06.2005, 08:25: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: I'm a fast worker but not that fast. No nuptuals yet people, sorry! But yes, me and Mikee are going out as has been posted several times on the boards over the past few weeks including once on this very thread. I guess ben has just been skim reading my posts which may explain why he didn't seem to grasp my point!
Sorry, Uber - I always assumed you were talking about your cat and that the new boyf was some mysterious third party about whom you were made up.
If it's any consolation, I think there's a 75% chance of me actually crying real tears by the end of this afternoon's module.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Kinell Darryn, speedo photoshop - maximum lollage!!
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Why is The Truth ok, hangover boy?
Sorry. I was being a twat.
quote:Originally posted by London: Also: Scrawny and Bandy for the double-hott couple. They so perfectly prove the beauty gradient theory that it's almost hilarious.
Hmmm. How do I get out of this one? Indeed it does only take one example to disprove a rule but I'm not going to give up on this just yet.
Again, I'm not saying the double-hott super-couples don't exist, I'm just saying they're rare. Rarer than ming-duos anyhow. That of course is also a selection bias of the distribution not being even from one to ten. But are Scrawny and Bandy exactly as beautiful as eachother? Does hot or not still exist? No, I reckon I'm right. I'm also very bored by the out of my league thing. Starting something is just a matter of finding someone's weak spot, then you're in.
My wife posts as well, on occasion. She may have read this already. We'll see if my things are all stacked out on the landing when I get home. Actaully she's out drinking right now.
[ 02.06.2005, 08:38: Message edited by: statist ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Oh right - I see. You're married.
Forgive me for going out on limb here but isn't the fact that you're married, rather than as good looking as this chick, more likely to be the greater obstacle in getting it together?
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Forgive me for going out on limb here but isn't the fact that you're married, rather than as good looking as this chick, more likely to be the greater obstacle in getting it together?
She's out of my league.
Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
I don't see how anyone can say that The Truth should speak his mind and come out with what he really feels. Isn't it plain that he's criticised Uber Trick for being dull, repetitive, inane? He's not exactly being subtle or relying on hints.
I sympathise in that it's unpleasant to be slagged off online, but to say "you only know the persona 'Uber Trick'", and "you're hiding behind a screenname, The Truth", when all most people can be expected to know on here is Uber Trick, and we are all hiding behind a name, is telling. Not really odd I suppose given the way this community now works, but it makes you (me) think.
It's a testament to how grounded in real life TMO has become that The Truth can be criticised for not knowing "Lisa Payne" and for not announcing his real surname, what meets he was at, how well he knows Bandy, which forumites he shagged and so on.
Anyway my outburst in capitals above was because I realised I was getting caught up in all this TMO who's-fucking-who-this-week tedium. I realise that people have been nice to me whenever I've announced any event in my life or asked for help, and sometimes I do the same to them in return, but the relevation that two people on the boards are dating at the moment shouldn't necessarily be anyone else's business, should it.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by statist: She's out of my league.
That's better: you should learn to run with the herd, more. Now I can say "O don't be silly u r hot stuff" etc.
Anyway. I take your point about some people on the thread bleating about being ugly etc, but you have to understand that in pretty much every case, they're not being self-deprecating - just self-aware.
[ 02.06.2005, 09:44: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I thought my post displayed lots of olde-skoole London arrogance, actually. I was quite pleased with it.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I realise that people have been nice to me whenever I've announced any event in my life or asked for help, and sometimes I do the same to them in return, but the relevation that two people on the boards are dating at the moment shouldn't necessarily be anyone else's business, should it.
I can see what you mean, putting aside the fact that you are being belittling of our relationship, but maybe then to even out the balance you simply could have chose silence instead of an ALL CAPS comment about how disinterested not just yourself, but how ben might have been. Perhaps you should have said I DO NOT CARE WHO YOU HAVE IMPREGNATED in bens baby thread, then gone on to tell him how he feels about being a father. Just for now though, you can save the effort of making out that you have been misjudged and score your name in the 'can't be fucked to be happy for other forumites I don't rate much' list.
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: I thought my post displayed lots of olde-skoole London arrogance, actually. I was quite pleased with it.
Yes, it was a very good post. Well done.
So the behavioural beauty, right, is it less important than phsical beauty? You're saying that it can be used to redress the balance -- promote oneself to higher overall leagues. Surely there is a total league that people compete in after adding up all the x out of tens from beauty, personality, etc. So this is just another criterion by which you may be able to promote yourself, right? I mean, with this guy, couldn't your behavioural beauty put you on his level overall and then his hottness would have been less of an issue?
Actually, I know this fat chick who probably scores quite high on the behavioural beauty dartboard. I'm going to see her at the weekend but perhaps we are not in the same league behaviourally. I dunno. I'll tell you about it on Monday.
EDIT: To un-hyphenate "fat-chick". What was I thinking?
[ 02.06.2005, 10:07: Message edited by: statist ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I don't see how anyone can say that The Truth should speak his mind and come out with what he really feels. Isn't it plain that he's criticised Uber Trick for being dull, repetitive, inane? He's not exactly being subtle or relying on hints.
I sympathise in that it's unpleasant to be slagged off online, but to say "you only know the persona 'Uber Trick'", and "you're hiding behind a screenname, The Truth", when all most people can be expected to know on here is Uber Trick, and we are all hiding behind a name, is telling. Not really odd I suppose given the way this community now works, but it makes you (me) think.
It's a testament to how grounded in real life TMO has become that The Truth can be criticised for not knowing "Lisa Payne" and for not announcing his real surname, what meets he was at, how well he knows Bandy, which forumites he shagged and so on.
Anyway my outburst in capitals above was because I realised I was getting caught up in all this TMO who's-fucking-who-this-week tedium. I realise that people have been nice to me whenever I've announced any event in my life or asked for help, and sometimes I do the same to them in return, but the relevation that two people on the boards are dating at the moment shouldn't necessarily be anyone else's business, should it.
I didn't "announce" anything on this thread, I made reference to my boyfriend being attractive in relation to the topic in hand then when ben mentioned forum couples as part of a discussion we were having and I realised he didn't know then I told him that I was also part of one. Not in a big fanfare, not in its own thread, not in a "O look what I just did" way just as part of a normal conversation. Amp did a joking nuptuals announcement and everything went tits up because kovacs and the truth decided to have a go.
"dull, inane and repetitive" huh, kovacs? We all have things we talk about, our specialist subjects as it were, our individual character traits. It would seem on your scale mine don't rate very highly, fair enough, not a lot I can do about that. I'm not interested in a lot of the stuff you post about but I don't go on about it or call you repetitive when you do yet another post about comics.
My point in saying to the truth that it didn't know me (Lisa Payne) was to say that it couldn't hurt me, it was flinging shit but it wasn't sticking. It's annoying to have someone slag you off online yes, but if you don't know who they are and can't put it in to any real context then there's no point in worrying about it. It would just appear to me and others that the truth's constant boner for me may have some founding in real life for it to keep going on about me and its hatred of me so much. For it to have this much bile against me just for what I post on TMO doesn't make any sense.
I expect its just some poor boy / girl I rejected for being below me in the scale of attractiveness.
Although interesting to note Kovacs' use of the word 'he' in relation to the truth, I didn't think we'd established gender.
[ 02.06.2005, 10:10: Message edited by: Uber Trick ]
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one supposed to try and starve the trolls?
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
I'm talking to kovacs here though statist.
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: I'm talking to kovacs here though statist.
Sorry, I'll stay out of it. Yeah, I knew that but it wasn't just you I meant.
No. The point being that I guess what The Truth is looking for is response. I mean I don't think troll food has to thrown directly to the trolls, it's enough that it's thrown at all. Doesn't matter. Sorry again.
EDIT to point out that I know I have mentioned The Truth on this thread more than once. I don't claim to be consistent. Just, y'know.
[ 02.06.2005, 10:26: Message edited by: statist ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Fucking hell, mate. You wanna watch yourself, pitching in like that. Fuck's sake. Learn some fucking manners.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
fuxache, I can't win. I don't know the rules thorn, statist, forum. I don't know what you're meant to do when someone is trolling you so I'm doing what I think is best i.e. not giving it more than it deserves after offering it the chance to air its greivance which seems fair but I'm picking up points kovacs has made also and answering those. It didn't look to me like statist was "pitching in" thorn so sorry if I misinterpreted that statist.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
I can't believe none of you think my Polish Sex God is fitt. Bunch of fucking savages on this board.
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
Now I'm thinking I can't win. I don't know what to do either. Ever, really. Sorry. Of course, your post to Kovacs was good. Fine. I shouldn't have said anything -- by doing so I made it just go all gay. I'm going home now.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I thought he was fit, Veep. I mean, not my type, but totally what would be considered classicly goodlooking. By the person on the auditioning panel of the Chippendales.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I think he looks like a suit that someone's stuck a potato on top of.
[ 02.06.2005, 10:44: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Oh meh! I was gonna do a 'behavioural beauty' post. O well better not. I am well behind on today's work anyway. Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Enjoy the rest of your hangover, statist
He is fit VP but he's not out of your league.
[ 02.06.2005, 10:44: Message edited by: Uber Trick ]
Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Just for now though, you can save the effort of making out that you have been misjudged and score your name in the 'can't be fucked to be happy for other forumites I don't rate much' list.
Don't fully understand this sentence.
I realise it wasn't you who brought your relationship into the public eye on here (as far as I know), but whether it's important to me or not shouldn't matter anyway -- it's important to you I presume, and that's how it should stay.
What I meant to convey was my irritation with typically-TMO gossip -- and I suppose I'm also a bit fed up, though it's not really for me to judge, with the incessant incestuousness of this community. It's like a soap where pretty much every character has shagged everyone else at some point. And that's not my business, but threads like this do make it public.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
I think the amount of inter-board shagging that has actually gone on is much less than the amount that people think has gone on. I think we're making a distinction here because we are "going out" rather than "fooling around" or however you would like to put it. Again let me state that I mentioned "my boyfriend" in relation to thread topics not as an announcement of any kind.
Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: I didn't "announce" anything on this thread, I made reference to my boyfriend being attractive in relation to the topic in hand then when ben mentioned forum couples as part of a discussion we were having and I realised he didn't know then I told him that I was also part of one. Not in a big fanfare, not in its own thread, not in a "O look what I just did" way just as part of a normal conversation.
Maybe the confusion began because you described your boyfriend as being so attractive. Because it's unexpected when you have been platonic friends or acquaintances for ages, for that to suddenly change into sexual desire. Nobody would have expected you were referring to NWOD like that.
quote: "dull, inane and repetitive" huh, kovacs? We all have things we talk about, our specialist subjects as it were, our individual character traits. It would seem on your scale mine don't rate very highly, fair enough, not a lot I can do about that. I'm not interested in a lot of the stuff you post about but I don't go on about it or call you repetitive when you do yet another post about comics.
You are making a big mistake here because firstly I don't post a lot about comics -- you will be really hard-pressed to back that up -- and secondly, when I said "dull, inane and repetitive" I was clearly trying to sum up what I thought The Truth was saying about you. My point was that The Truth seemed to be quite blatant in what he was saying, and not beating about the bush.
So for you to act like I was criticising you personally, and that you were justified in hammering together some tin-pot riposte ("well, maybe I think you're boring too") is misguided.
But it seems your boyfriend as well as your sister both feel they have to weigh in behind you whenever anyone speaks to you out of turn, so you've got some bodyguards against your anonymous troll.
quote: Although interesting to note Kovacs' use of the word 'he' in relation to the truth, I didn't think we'd established gender.
Well, it could be that I'm "The Truth", given that I don't tend to speak my mind openly on here, and that I just gave it away. Or it could be that I just didn't fancy saying "he/she" every time.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
I have noticed that people who are deeply unattractive physically will try to raise their league placing by using big words and being all intelligent all over the shop. In my opinion this is just an abuse of goal difference. Jade Goody in specs. Know your place Ugger.
Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick: Again let me state that I mentioned "my boyfriend" in relation to thread topics not as an announcement of any kind.
quote:Originally posted by Uber Trick on page 2: I didn't mean you specifically ben. And you can add my name to the list of happy hollow-eyed forettes with their forumite boyfriends
Not an announcement? Forgive me but it seemed very much so, albeit couched in faux-coyness.
Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
Damn, that VOP has me rumbled.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
That's why I would never fuck anyone off this board. It's just such a stupid idea.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Don't fully understand this sentence.
I think what I was trying to say was that it's clear to me that unless you are the Professor of Forgetronics that you know who the hell I am. It's tiresome to watch someone feign confusion when I've told you in person that I had left the boards because of you specifically. While I had the grace to laugh it off, you didn't offer me the courtesy of taking it on board. If you know the difference of There/They're/Their than you can summon the understanding of Mikee/Mikie/Mikey I dare think. Even that one of them is possibly fictitious.
quote:I realise it wasn't you who brought your relationship into the public eye on here (as far as I know), but whether it's important to me or not shouldn't matter anyway -- it's important to you I presume, and that's how it should stay.
Fair enough. Thank you. That's all I wanted, was acknowledgement that if the question is 'who cares?' then the answer is going to be 'me' On top of that, I assume at least at a very minimum is going to be a few others, perhaps the same amount that would be encouraging when you announced that 'Modge got engaged at the weekend'
quote:What I meant to convey was my irritation with typically-TMO gossip -- and I suppose I'm also a bit fed up, though it's not really for me to judge, with the incessant incestousness of this community. It's like a soap where pretty much every character has shagged everyone else at some point. And that's not my business, but threads like this do make it public.
Perhaps it is. But how you construed Uber announcing that she was happy with her forumite boyfriend as a piece of gossip about incestuous fucking is anybodys guess. The fact that Uber mentioned it should have dispelled the notion that it was anything but. In fact, you were so irritated by this behaviour you seemed to let it taint your judgement of what was being said. Despite all this, one person had to be negative about it and sadly Kovacs, it just had to be you. Maybe, just maybe asking you to extend courtesy in the very same way it is offered to you is simply asking for too much.
[ 02.06.2005, 11:24: Message edited by: New Way Of Decay ]
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I've always thought that I had dull, inane and repetitive in the bag. In the bag, lobbed off a bridge onto an empty motorway.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: But it seems your boyfriend as well as your sister both feel they have to weigh in behind you whenever anyone speaks to you out of turn, so you've got some bodyguards against your anonymous troll.
Oh Swiss Lol Account!! The Mayor of Absentmindedsville is now going to discount every disagreement I've had with him and accuse me of simply backing Uber up. It's got nothing to do with you acting an ass. Oh no. It's because I have to defend my girlfriend because she is frail and meek thing. Hayalp Popeye!
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
How are you doing, Benway?
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: I think what I was trying to say was that it's clear to me that unless you are the Professor of Forgetronics that you know who the hell I am.
You forget that kovacs got muddled between Dang65 and damo666. Remember, he is one of our Senior Posters (over 30) and can get a bit befuddled.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: You forget that kovacs got muddled between Dang65 and damo666. Remember, he is one of our Senior Posters (over 30) and can get a bit befuddled.
Either that or he has a secrete stiffy for Uber...
[ 02.06.2005, 11:41: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
I have oft heard that birds go for mean and moody, and I think most of us chaps have tried to pull this off at some point in our lives. It never bloody works though. There's this girl at work, I've been viciously ignoring her for months. I establish oooh about a milli-second of eye-contact and look away like the films told me to. When she asked me how I was and I just grunted and told her to lick my twat. I mean how much more fuckin moody could I get?
Is she gonna give me one? Is she bollux.
Is there a trick to this, there must be a flavour of moody that is magnificent and attractive and there's another flavour that is annoying and retarded ?
Birds, whats up with this moody lark ?
[ 02.06.2005, 11:44: Message edited by: Vanilla Online Persona ]
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Honestly kovacs I don't really know a lot of what you post about on here because I don't read over much of it. Not a dig at you just a fact. You post in media about books I haven't read, about films which is a media that I'm not interested in, computer games I don't play and sci-fi that I know little about. So sometimes I look at the threads if I think I might learn something but not often, so yes a flip response "tin-pot" if you will, fair enough.
I don't ask my sister and anyone else who chooses to do so to back me up they do it because they want to. I'm sorry that riles you, that my friends are loyal and want to step in and help me out.
It did sound pretty much like you were having a go at me by using your summary of the truth's words but I don't think you're the truth I just thought it was interesting that you used 'he' when other people have been using 'it'.
Hippychick - your quote would indeed have rumbled me if that was the first time I mentioned anything about Mikee and I going out but it wasn't. Sorry disallowed.
An announcement would be a thread along the lines of kovacs job thread, a thread entirely devoted to looking for praise from the forum.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I declare a nomination that this thread gets archived on the grounds it has:
An excellent starter post
Good discussion.
Pikchuz.
Spatz.
but mostly
Kovacs doing an excellent job of over assuming, being entirely judgemental based on (surely by the nature of gossip - eye-ro-nee)what little he knows and generally pissing all over anyone who has wished him well.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vanilla Online Persona: I have oft heard that birds go for mean and moody...Birds, whats up with this moody lark ?
What it is, m8. Is that all men are completely moody, all the time. They pout. They sulk. They pull their mouths into mean little cat's bum positions. All men are moody, so women have had to convince themselves that they like moody men. That is where the lie comes from. It is women making the best of a bad lot. The women that refuse to do this are called 'lesbians'. It is not that they don't like men. They just don't like endless, pointless, childish sulking.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
quote: I can't believe none of you think my Polish Sex God is fitt. Bunch of fucking savages on this board.
Right, I know its miles too late to be releavent, but it has been bugging me and I finally figured out that the super-fit-Polish-sex-god looks bit like when Billie Piper's boyfriend got turned into plastic in Dr Who. Not that he looks like him, he was blacke! But like he is made out of plastic.
Ok, done now. Bye.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
alright London. I'm okay - I've been getting to bed early these last few nights, so I'm a bit more bright of eye than I was last week. Been getting mad drunk recently, blackouts an tings, so just trying to get the balance back on..umm.. balance. Same old though - still hangin wit da J.Lew Crew., still living in that shitty little room in shitsville. You should have a listen to some of the music on the trash80.net site.. music made with gameboys etc, reminded me of going to see Printed Circuit Board in a town hall somewhere. I'd be interested to know what you thought of the tresk stuff - especially the tracks I mentioned.
Well done on the new job, anyway.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
You just think men are like that because women dedicate their lives to making men miserable. You try maintaining a smile while some shrill harpy chatters away in your ear goign "Why are you doing that? Why aren't you doing this? Why don't you earn more? Why don't you dress like this? Why can't you be nice like him? Why can't you look like that? Why are you always so down on yourself? Why are you going bald? Why are you putting on weight? Why can't you buy me more presents? Why aren't you just... better?"
It's like, "SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH 'FORE I SMACK YOU IN THE MOUTH"
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I can't believe you just called Octavia a 'shrill harpy'. What if she reads it?
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
She'll keep her mouth shut. She knows what's good for her.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I'm pretty lucky, in that no girlfriend has ever expected anything of me other than simply existing. That's enough, see, when you ain't even in the race.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I'm still waiting for you to tell me where your pants ended up Benway after your tentative tentotwo. Come on. Confess.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: MAYBE HE DIDN'T GIVE A GOOD GOD DAMN ABOUT WHO YOU ARE FUCKING! POSSIBLE?
Hold on a minute - I'd already expressed interest and surprise in the post preceding; it'd be disingenuous of most people on here to claim they aren't interested in who's entwined with who - and a bit gratuitous to use this as an opening to have a pop at an individual.
I think Uber Trick was a bit unfair to reproach me about skimming her posts when they they do sometimes blend fact and fantasy, and cats and humans are often interchangeable. (Also: like most right-thinking men, when I think a cat is being referred to I do tend to skip whole passages - I don't think anyone could seriously blame me for this).
Even so, Kovacs, I think the ferocity and meanness of your subsequent posts was disproportionate and you should probably apologise.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I never found out. I gave the girl my number, but in the end, I left without them on, went down to camden market (because she lived right in the middle of camden), bought and ate magic mushrooms, and thought about what I'd done. I was kind of pleased, but kind of guilty.
Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
Because people on TMO can be very kind, it would be impossible for me to disagree with anyone on here without "pissing on someone who has wished me well." Unfortunate but true. That's like suggesting that after a colleague signed your Good Luck in New Job card, you can't ever argue with them again. I appreciate people's generosity but I hope that doesn't mean I have to watch my mouth and hold my tongue all the time, out of gratitude?
If we're making the comparison, I do not think that a morsel of who's-dating-who in the middle of a thread is the same as someone saying they're going to get married or even landed a new job. I really don't. Most people would agree that the latter is a bit more life-changing, something you might feel like sharing on a discussion board without being accused of self-indulgence, and that the former is something that's more your own business rather than deserving of applause. Do people really expect best wishes and pats on the back when they hook up with someone?
But of course I regret ever bringing attention to myself and occasional good fortune in my own life, because it seems those posts of mine also serve as ammo for someone wanting to have a pop some twelve months later. The lesson seems to be, then, that I shouldn't have been big-headed enough to make two "announcements" in the past year about stuff in my life, because the happy events of getting engaged or a job are liable to get shat on and flung back in my face by some sourpuss.
Incidentally I am often glad that Modge's policy is to never back me up on threads like this, because that kind of "loyalty" looks so playground-pathetic.
Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: Even so, Kovacs, I think the ferocity and meanness of your subsequent posts was disproportionate and you should probably apologise.
It is pointless and fraudulent to apologise to people you can't respect.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: It is pointless and fraudulent to apologise to people you can't respect.
It's also a waste of time to acknowledge someone who doesn't realise respect works both ways, but then I'm above that.
It may occur to you that usually no-one attacks both you and modge in one post. I do like your attempt at trying to lump us together. On one hand we are 'just going out' then on the other we are some kind of unified force that thinks the same thing. I think it falls down the middle and the fact we are both having a pop at you for being such a pompus prick is coincidence.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: They just don't like endless, pointless, childish sulking.
I think you'll find we only sulk until we've guilted you into a blowey. Why change a winning formula?
I'm not sure moody is the same as sulky, though it might be in my case. I'm pretty sure a bird would describe a bloke as 'moody' before he's chucked his muck, ya know, cuz thats why she's just banged him, thats her attractiveness button, but men only become a 'sulky fuck' afterwards the chucking deed. This may be because he is indeed, a sulky fuck, or because he's been honest and ditched the bird for being such an easy cum-sponge. Not sure, its a difficult area. I'm sure you've described some hotties as mean, moody and magnificent or some such cliche so what I'm asking the whats the diff between sulky and moody ?
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: I'm pretty lucky, in that no girlfriend has ever expected anything of me other than simply existing. That's enough, see, when you ain't even in the race.
Sulky
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: She'll keep her mouth shut. She knows what's good for her.
Moody (& Magnificent)
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: It is pointless and fraudulent to apologise to people you can't respect.
Surly.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Why does Kovacs have such a problem with people posting about their personal lives? TMO has a whole section called "Sex and Relationships" and I think it's fair to assume that it will contain posts of a personal nature.
Does he read S&R merely in order to complain?
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
Glad I know where I stand then: unworthy of kovacs respect.
Ben, sorry it was meant to be a joke about skim reading the posts as I was hoped was indicated by rollingeyesmilie but it obviously didn't come across.
I said already kovacs that I didn't expect praise for it, that I hadn't "announced" it in that way. Also, as far as I'm aware I haven't mentioned my cats in an absolute age to be fair to me. (Overlooking Amp's birthday thread which doesn't count.)
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
that wasn't sulky! It was....something else.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: It is pointless and fraudulent to apologise to people you can't respect.
Surely it's pointless and juvenile to engage with people you claim not to respect because the whole thing's always going to degenerate into a slanging match.
Interaction on this board has to depend on a degree of respect for others - if you've decided you don't respect Uber or Mikey, nothing good's ever going to come of you locking horns with them... especially not when you seem to have gone out of your way to provoke then escalate the ruck.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: ...if you've decided you don't respect Uber or Mikey...
Pay attention... Mikey is the cat! Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
"Hello Overreaction, this is Overreaction. Perhaps you've met?"
A bit tongue in cheek and I can appreciate how things get a bit amplified on TMO when context and nuance is not as easy to identify textually as it is orally, but still the point is a valid one.
It seems to me, as a detached posted who's never met any of you and therefore can be relatively objective, that you all are escalating the engagement in a bout of Mutally Assured Destruction, War Games style.
-Uber coyly 'outs' herself and Mikee then pretends she didn't mean to. (Uber, what I was saying above is that you made a specific point of writing a post just to say that you were now part of a forum couple: by any reasonable interpretation this is an announcement even if not in a separate thread and placed in the Announce forum.)
-kovacs is frustrated by the smug fluffiness that the thread descends into and goes a bit tonto in response.
-carnage ensues.
It's all been quite entertaining during an afternoon of quite dull document preparation, my thanks to all concerned.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
But hippychick my point is that I already mentioned that I was going out with Mikee the other week, two weeks ago even and posted a picture of us out together (the 'London being eaten up with guilt' photo)! The thing you quoted me on was perhaps more clear for some people but it definitely wasn't the first time I had said anything about it. That's all I mean about it not being an "announcement" - I'm not denying anything!
Posted by OJ (Member # 752) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: Surely it's pointless and juvenile to engage with people you claim not to respect because the whole thing's always going to degenerate into a slanging match.
Perhaps a (very) short list of people Kovacs does respect would be less tedious and time-consuming.
Alternatively, why not write out the OED definitions of the following words (with citations), 100 times each on a sheet of authentic foolscap?
Solipsism Egoism Narcissism Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I think I understand but the only thing I can work out is this: it's just Kovacs, dressing it up again. The simple facts are that he insulted someone else then claimed to not have to apologise because he didn't respect them. A claim that invalidates his very first comment and each and every successive post after that. You are a very, loathsome creature Kovacs, because you lap up praise like a porn set fluffer and deny each and every person you see as below you as unworthy of the very basic levels of respect. What an awful vessel for a soul to inhabit. The very thought makes me feel genuinely uneasy that you could be so dismissive and offensive when despite your persona must still be affected by matters of the heart.
Posted by Samuelnorton (Member # 48) on :
This is a most entertaining thread. Being a non-participant can be fun, on occasion.
Posted by Modge (Member # 64) on :
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[ 02.06.2005, 19:05: Message edited by: Modge ]
Posted by saltrock (Member # 622) on :
Well, bugger me that took a time to read!
I'm a bit miffed to be honest because I've been working on a piece about this very same subject and Veeps beat me too it. [Mine was called "I give him an 8"].
I am probably one of those people who could only ever be described as average looking. I know I'm not a minger, but I also know that I'm not likely to turn anyone's head in the street because of my looks. I've been doing this whole internet dating mularky for a while now and it's made me really think about this whole thing.
How do you know where to place yourself on the scale? Do other people see you the same way as you see yourself? Are some of these people who send you messages completely dillusional [50 year old, fat, bald, glasses like the bottom of a beer glass and bad teeth] or hopeful or really think that they are far higher up the scale than they are? If you send a message to someone who is clearly above you on the scale, will they be thinking that about you!?
I think that most of the people that I have gone out with have been around equal to how I view myself. With the exception of my husband. But I got to know him and was friends with him for years before we even started dating and it really was his personality that I fell for. [Unfortunately, that didn't last].
I basically think that the whole thing comes down to self-confidence, which may sound totally obvious, but you get a lot of people, guys mostly I think, who although they aren't the best looking people have a certain arrogance and self-confidence that lifts them into a higher league. A bit like an actor making you believe that they are something they're not.
I've somehow completely lost track of what I set out to say here, but I hope you can get the gist.
Oh, and Mikee and Uber, I'm well happy for you both! Nice one! Posted by Samuelnorton (Member # 48) on :
quote:Originally posted by Modge: .
Ko... Ko... Kovacs? Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
First Kovacs spazzes out - and now Paul Danan has been bundled out of Celebrity Love Island by strapping 'cleb-wranglers' (Danan's parting shot: "You f***ing bitch! You f***ing g*y Irish c***!").
Must be a full moon, I think. Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
Will you stop clogging up my thread with mentions of pleb-feed cleb-swill TV abortions.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
Has this argument fizzled out now? Has NWoD slain Kovacs? Shame. It was fun. I couldn't quite think of a sufficiently pithy, acerbic and double-edged contribution, sadly. And I was scared. Sorry about that.
Posted by kovacs (Member # 28) on :
Jeez, sorry if it's "spazzing out" if you decide not to contribute further to an online argument. There was never much of a bond between me and Uber Trick/NWOD, so I don't think this thread adds or changes anything, and I don't think it's worth me saying anything more here: nothing I fancied adding would have been pleasant.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
I think unattractive people can be hott when they don't say anything. Some of them blow it when they have to say they're not saying anything. I find it ruins the mystique, the allure.
I like the ones who say they're not going to say anything, but if they did it would be devastating because they can kill you with their brain. Like, I won't say anything now cus it'll make you cry. And then I have imagine it for myself. Then I cry because I was so horrible. Yeah, thats the best. They's the keepers.
Silence is this year's moody.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
like the shower scene in Psycho - you never see the knife go in, but you think you have. And when they shoot the little boy in the head in Funny Games [sideshow bob] uuuuhhhuurrrrhhu[/sideshow bob]
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
You know when you're all sweaty after a cracking all night bunk-up and you turn to your lady fiend and say 'that were fuckin fantastical wunnit?' in a Welsh accent. And she says. And you say 'wunnit? And she kisses you and goes to sleep. And you say 'Oh'.
Thats the kinda silence you want in a relationship.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Jeez, sorry if it's "spazzing out" if you decide not to contribute further to an online argument.
I hadn't realised you were ceasing your contribution - the 'spazzing out' was referring to the way that contribution developed during the course of the thread.
You and Uber are actually very alike in that you expect ordinary joes like me to have picked up every little nuance of your posts, then flare up when you think you've been 'skim read'. In fact there are a lot of parallels between the ways the 'player-characters' of the forum spark off each other... the desire for combat and detailed engagement is there, but those same egos are easily bruised and eager to escalate confrontation at exactly the moment they could demonstrate greater maturity by taking it down a notch or two.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
Who are the player-characters? Let's do a breakdown of exactly who's who on the boards and what purpose they serve. You know, for the newbies.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
I do have other interests and thoughts other than those related to horror films, hiphop, binge drinking, and computer games. I'm pigeon holing myself here.
For instance, ladies, talking about 'how do you know how attractive you are', I've had more than one girl compliment both my eyes and, weirdly, my back. But, are 'good eyes' just something you pick out when you are sporting a face like a mexican car crash?
Also, due to a dangerously unstable ego, I am prone to assuming that if a girl looks at me, then she fancies me. I'm living in an 'attractiveness bubble' - over inflated with no real market value. Doesn't take much to burst it.
re: Uber. I'm surprised at this news, because they've both been well bitching about each other for a year now. I must admit, I haven't read any of the cat-related posts that have occured over the last week or so, but I'm sure that there is room for everything. Why not have a dedicated thread about cats, that way any innocent web surfers could make more informed decisions about whether they want to encounter any playful anthropomorphic hijinks.
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Who are the player-characters? Let's do a breakdown of exactly who's who on the boards and what purpose they serve. You know, for the newbies.
I might skim-read such a contribution. It depends who writes it really.
Posted by Gemini (Member # 428) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: I've had more than one girl compliment both my eyes and, weirdly, my back.
This is not weird, backs are amazingly sexy on blokes, it's the way they have these broad shoulders with all these muscles defined and that tapers down to a narrow waist. There is just so much power in the back. Backs are good.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
maybe on Kurt Russell circa 1989, but not me, ever.
Posted by Vanilla Online Persona (Member # 301) on :
Especially if the front in question is a fat-bag of pus and insecurity.
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Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Who are the player-characters? Let's do a breakdown of exactly who's who on the boards and what purpose they serve. You know, for the newbies.
Uber is kind of the Rebecca Loos in this situation - making NWoD the Callum Beast; if Kovacs is the Paul Danan that probably makes me Michael Greco and Benway and London Lee Sharpe and Jayne Middlemist respectively.
Vogon, I identify you as very much the Lady Isbella Hervey of the piece.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
the only bit I saw was Fran "The Man" Cosgrove talking to an atomic kitten. Fran "The Man" Cosgrove looked like he was made of wax.
Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben:
Vogon, I identify you as very much the Lady Isbella Hervey of the piece.
I had to google to find out who she is, but have discovered that she was Zoo magazine online's Hot Babe of the Day on 17 May, and has a "great bikini bod".
Check out Zoo's banter boards ben, there's lots of people there who watch reality TV shows. I reckon you could make some friends.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
I am mentally moving down the attractiveness scale notch by notch as a friend of mine always takes loads of really nice black & white photos at parties/picnics etc and has even done specific ‘shoots’ with a few people. But he never takes ANY of me. Clearly I ming too much to use film on.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I don't understand... why are me and Benway Lee Sharp and Jane Middlemiss? Who are these people?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Middlemiss? Who?
Posted by OJ (Member # 752) on :
quote:Originally posted by Abby: I am mentally moving down the attractiveness scale notch by notch as a friend of mine always takes loads of really nice black & white photos at parties/picnics etc and has even done specific ‘shoots’ with a few people. But he never takes ANY of me. Clearly I ming too much to use film on.
Attractive people don't always make the best photographic subjects you know, perhaps he's picking them for being weird looking. In fact your friend's oeuvre could be pretty boring if it just consists of glossy pretty people making like a Next catalogue with a picnic hamper.
Is this making you feel any better?
See.... how fantastic is this portrait, and I'm betting you don't look like him.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Lee Sharp? Who?
A footballer?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
(Re: Middlemiss pic) She does have nice eyes. And a good back.
[ 03.06.2005, 07:01: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: I had to google to find out who she is, but have discovered that she was Zoo magazine online's Hot Babe of the Day on 17 May, and has a "great bikini bod".
Eh. It was more for the coldness and insoluble air of perplexity that I drew the comparison.
Anyway, my incessant references to CLI were intended as a lighthearted way of trying to defuse a tense situation.
As ever, my shot at concilliation services displayed all the subtlety and finesse of Jonathan King riding a broomstick in a "Kiss me quick, Suck me slowly" hat.
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by OJ: Attractive people don't always make the best photographic subjects you know
What OJ seems to be saying Abby is that you may not be that minging but that you do look a bit boring, featureless and plain. No distinction. I can understand if this makes you feel better.
[ 03.06.2005, 07:06: Message edited by: statist ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Abby - if it makes you feel better I'd probably stick it to you, if we were both single, and I was bored, or drunk. Definitely if I was drunk.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
what a shit post i just made. sorry!
[ 03.06.2005, 07:10: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by statist (Member # 806) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: what a shit post i just made. sorry!
Was it the one about behavioural beauty we(I) have been expecting?
[ 03.06.2005, 07:12: Message edited by: statist ]
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
No, I was trying to take the piss out of Thorn, but not doing it well enough. And, what with the wrasslin' mood everybody is in today, I don't want my pisstakes to be anything less than dead-on, ya dig?
That post, yeah, I should do it. But I am SO FAR BEHIND ON MY WORK it is not funny. I am not used to working unsupervised, and being trusted and respected. So how do I respond? By posting shite on TMO. Excellent. So mature.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
How can you take the piss of a post that's already self-mocking? What the hell's wrong with you? Was it about my impotence? I thought you promised never to bring that up on here.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Hey look at that! My shit joke killed the boards!
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
It's lunchtime. The lull of the day.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Gosh is that the time? I've pissed away a whole morning staring covetously at my co-worker's tits every time she leans forward.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
That could be a lot of time dedicated if your new job is being a waiter at a strip club.
Posted by Uber Trick (Member # 456) on :
I don't understand benway's post about cats and tings and Rebecca Loos and Callum the beast?! What does this even mean? I'm just going to put the thread down and step away slowly.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: like the shower scene in Psycho - you never see the knife go in, but you think you have. And when they shoot the little boy in the head in Funny Games [sideshow bob] uuuuhhhuurrrrhhu[/sideshow bob]
The best for this is Assault on Precinct 13, the Carpenter original, when the urban guerilla blasts the little girl from the ice-cream truck.
"Hey Mister. This is Vanilla Twist!"
I named a company after that. Vanilla Twist Promotions.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
When I grow up I'm gonna buy a monkey.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
Damn - I'm enjoying this thread, but have to go to work and only made it to page 3. Will be back later to finish up, and maybe add something more than just a completely pointless post, but hey, it's been a while so who cares.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
Okay, having read, and skim read the most of this I'll add something more than just the 'is good'.
I'm not sure I believe in leagues of beauty so much as leagues of self confidence combined with physical attractiveness. I've seen incredibly average people with a strong self-assuredness get away with murder when talking/chatting up the opposite sex, just as I've seen lookers fall to pieces because they didn't have the same slef confidence.
I'm not ugly, and probably better than average, but don't really feel that confident in myself, and as a result of this I used to very much make plays for people who I felt were less atractive than myself, not because they were a sure thing, or because I thought that they'd appreciate the attention, but because I felt so terrified of talking to people that I found attractive that I actually couldn't. I've had moments though, and my last ex was once asked 'why are you with him?' by a collegue who said that she was too atractive for me. Another problem I have is that I've gotten stuck in this idea that it takes me two or three meetings with someone before I can relax enough to try and be funny/witty/interesting, and I often feel indulgent to talk about myself or tell anecdotes, but I'm getting over this.
Anyway, I am now engaged to someone that I often wonder how on earth I managed to get so close to and get confused about what she sees in me, as she is incredible, and most confusing off all seems to think that I am pretty good myself, and she has seen me at my worst. Is she out of my league? Yeah, but rather than panicking about it like I used to, it makes me appreciate her totally and want to make sure that she is always happy, not that I worry that I'll lose her if I don't keep on trying, but rather that she makes me so happy that I want to reciprocate.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
Hands up everyone who wants to hit Benny right now?
*raises hand*
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ringo: Hands up everyone who wants to hit Benny right now?
I must admit to thinking...
quote:Originally posted by Benny the Ball: I'm not ugly, and probably better than average
...yeah, that can easily be fixed, mate.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Eh? I don't get it. This makes me want to hug Benny. He sounds like a real sweetheart. Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
Exactly Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
wicked thread, vogon. you should watch out for anything evolutionary psychology and especially sociobiology. it is total fucking shit. or maybe it isn't. but there ain't no proof, it's all conjecture, and shady bastards use it to justify all sorts of anti-woman and neolib policy.
yeah anyway, i'm like a 1.5 outta ten. lately i have been having empty sexuals with eights and nines. this is for two reasons: mostly, because we are all drunk all the time and i am skilled at picking out the deeply unhappy. been blacking out lately actually. having breezers for breakfast and getting trashed by lunchtime. today i am being good though! last night i tried to pull the mos boring girl in the history of teh world. she wasn't even fit! then i proposed to a thai girl i know. then i passed out, but in my own bed, all alone, but hat was okay, was in a very nasty mood. anyway, where was i? yes, leagues and shit. the other thing to help transcend the league problem is go on dates with women that are like 30 and be all moody but thoughtful, tortured poet like, and say shit like i don't know what to do with my life, all i know is i want be a good husband and father. ha ha ha they are so stupid! (except it's true )
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Can people stop saying that women in their thirties are desperate, and easy prey? Thanks!
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
it's not about desperate. there's plenty of desperate teens and twentysomethings. It's just that I know how to talk to 30 year olds. People my age or younger have become a mystery Posted by Vogon Poetess (Member # 164) on :
quote:Originally posted by vikram: wicked thread, vogon. you should watch out for anything evolutionary psychology and especially sociobiology.
No, this is proper Grown Up Evolution, with a massive fat textbook and videos about Hawaiian plant speciation and drosophila courtship patterns and assignments where I have to spend a whole weekend (this weekend) using logarithms and equations to show how brachiopods evolved. I'm not a Dawkins-ite ultra-reductionist, but I do believe that human mating rituals aren't as far removed from dog courtship (your arse smells nice, fancy a shag?) as we'd like to think.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Let me get this right Vikram.
You proposed....to a Thai girl....called Hat?
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
no, i jus can ype someimes.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
krumz
Posted by Ganesh (Member # 685) on :
If her name was Hat and he'd proposed and she'd said no but mumbled a bit or summat and he'd mistaken it for yes, then he would've been
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