Whose agenda would it serve for two posters to absent themselves from the boards?
Why did so many forites assume a prank or a hoax was being played out?
What clues were left that a hoax may, in fact, have been what we were witnessing?
All we have is the textual equivalent of the Warren Commission report. Not perfect but it’s all we have to go on. Maybe some eagle-eyed forites could piece together a Zapruder film? Whatever. Questions need answering.
The search for the truth starts here.
Together, with courage and a clear eye, we can get to the bottom of this.
quote:Originally posted by ben: Come on Roy - defend yourself.
*Jabs Roy in face tauntingly, feints, jabs again*
Yeah. Not such a hard man now, yeah?
*Lands bone crushing blow against Roy's cheek, spins round, delivers roundhouse to the throat and flings Roy through window, BA Baracus-style*
Yeah, Roy? Yeah? Come ON, motherfucker.
*Breathes fire at Roy*
YOGA FLAME.
*Toasts marshmallows by the heat or Roy's burning, twitching body*
*Snorton appears, shakes head sadly*
Snorton: "A black man did this."
A bit cavalier, no?
Yet later that same day ben had miraculously turned into a concerned citizen. It was as if he had been tipped off to some classified information and suddenly revised his approach to the entire situation, in order to make the story fit.
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Why's this in Games? Because you suspect it's a game? Or what?
There's something decidedly fishy about the whole Roygate episode, including the fact that nobody will talk about Roygate. Like fightclub, in fact, once again.
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I don't understand why it was desirable for Roy to leave the boards. But for added drama:
Yoga Flame ref
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that luminous ectoplasmic swirl you see, the colour of "Jedi Spirits", is paratopic matter or "soul-energy"... see how in my scan it centres around the MOUTH, ready to be hurled out in a gob of decimating bile like a Special Attack in Street Fighter II
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I was in hospital for two nights for surgery that went in through my mouth to repair my cheek. I have a metal pin in my face for life. The nerves have gone, again for life, in part of my face. Anyone who thinks such things are good sport for a thread has my sympathy. Be seeing you.
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Buried in TMO archives, an MI5 report on the whole palava.
It would seem persona A, code-named kovacs had a relationship with subject B, known as Roy. They agreed never to talk about it again but kovacs couldn't let it go. No he couldn't. He called and called ... just one drink .. I've never known what its like to feel like a real woman.. Witnesses testified to the fact that Roy remained aloof. The aloofness of a man who has made his bird all spunk-drunk and giggly. She be hooked, he's a man who knows his only job is rationing the bitch. But she wouldn't let it lie would she. And then, when she'd exhausted all other methods of acquiring his portion she came to the pub he was known to frequent.
If I can't have him, noone will ...
He's a wife-beater .. 'post'
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Carter, as a person who was once mocked by Kovacs over whether you'd punch him, would you turn back the clock? Would you turn back the clock on a man who has one of those? Glasses? no.. Face? ... no Superiority complex? No no no. Face plate.
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I'm still not entirely sure why I was being mocked by kovacs, given that I'd restrained myself from physical violence. Unlike, for example, restraining yourself from screaming abuse into the face of an 18-year-old girl.
But hey. The last time I got punched was by a policeman. And all that happened after that was he bought me a pint after the game and told me not to play the ball on the floor so blatantly.
I don't think I would now, and I didn't then. Yay for me.
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Although I did see kovacs at Clapham Junction about 6 weeks ago, tried to say hello and got completely blanked! So perhaps mocking is best done textually.
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Why is this a touchy subject? A few people have pointed out that the whole flow of that thread and a few specific posts gave the whole thing a curious feel. People prank and hoax and bullshit on here often, this is upping the ante considerably, true, but... you know. And besides, bad luck on the facial numbness but no one got killed. If everything happened exactly as kovacs says, and if Roy is 'guilty' what's the worst thing that happened? Two friends fell out, one might need anger management help the other got (quite badly) hurt. I know I can be insensitive... Am I being extremely insensitive here?
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Well, I don't think you are. But on the other hand, I see worse facial injuries than that most nights, so my perspective is a bit skewed.
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quote:Originally posted by Carter: Well, I don't think you are. But on the other hand, I see worse facial injuries than that most nights, so my perspective is a bit skewed.
Yes, but have you ever had a worse facial injury than that? Or even close? I think not.
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So what you are saying George is that you need to have a few drinks, have a fight and lose in order to understand? Sounds like a fucking mugs game. The only thing worse than that would be to try and look hard-done-by afterwards.
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Well, I've had my nose and my jaw broken. THey needed operations. I suppose "worse" is subjective though, and depends on how you react to such things on an emotional level.
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For reference, though, the second injury required that
quote:I was in hospital for two nights for surgery that went in through my mouth to repair my jaw. I have two metal screws and a plate in my face for life.
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: So what you are saying George is that you need to have a few drinks, have a fight and lose in order to understand? Sounds like a fucking mugs game. The only thing worse than that would be to try and look hard-done-by afterwards.
No - obviously not. I'm just questioning whether Carter's experience as a doctor really gives him any real perspective as to how Kovacs feels about the fact he had his face smashed in by Roy. To me, having your cheekbone shattered by a mate isn't a run-of-the-mill 'so what?' event.
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Shit. Sorry George. The fact is, neither of those injuries were caused by friends in a bizarre middle-class Fight-and-Cheese Club style mash-up.
I'll have to leave the floor open to those with more relevant experience.
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quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: I know I can be insensitive... Am I being extremely insensitive here?
I reckon it's just that people take different things seriously, have different outlooks on life and all that.
I've said before that I don't get why this particular event was such a big deal. I was nearly killed by a white van man a few years ago but, beyond thinking he was a prat, I don't feel any malice or desire for revenge or get all tearful when people joke about running cyclists over! Anyway, I'd have thought in Kovacs' line of work he'd have quite relished being part robot.
But plenty of people obviously do take it all seriously. They either don't want to talk about it themselves or come on here telling us we shouldn't talk about it either. Bollocks to 'em, 's what I say. Just as I would expect them to say bollocks to me.
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I understand Mask's belief that there could be a 'social experiment' going on, after all it's happened before in various assorted guises.
What bugs me though is, well, let's equate it to pubs.
Kelvin and Ray both drink in the Horse and Hounds. Kelvin and Ray have a debacle Kelvin and Ray continue to drink in the Horse and Hounds.
Kelvin then starts drinking in the White Horse, he likes the White Horse and only ever comes into the Horse and Hounds at lunchtime on a Tuesday to say "Oh, isn't it quiet".
Ray on the other hand is in most nights of the week and getting on really well with everyone.
Kelvin walks past the Horse and Hounds one night on his way to the White Horse and sees a busy pub and Ray having a good time, he seethes and returns later after Ray has gone home and tells everyone that Ray is a cnut and that he (Ray) beat him (Kelvin) up.
Ray no longer feels welcome in the Horse and Hounds as people who know Kelvin drink there and think Ray was a bit of a knob to twat Kelvin one.
Kelvin carries on drinking in the White Horse and doesn't even pop by the Horse and Hounds on Tuesdays anymore, he just looks through the window.
Ray is drinking in the Bricklayers Arms.
Or is he ?
The Horse and Hounds is quiet, even for a Tuesday.
People at the Horse and Hounds start to wonder why Kelvin would bother stirring stuff up in the Horse and Hounds if he's only going to drink at the White Horse.
The barman at the Horse and Hounds would be happy to serve either of them a drink if they'd just come in and the regulars at the Horse and Hounds seem to feel pretty much the same way.
These days, the pub is quiet - Perhaps we should have a happy hour..
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One of the odd aspects, though, is that Kovacs had previously started a thread all about his being beaten up, complete with pic, in a moderately undramatic way. He got some sympathy, someone probably made a knob gag about five posts later. When the same story was retold through a different lens, it became a tragedy of which no-one must speak, with lots of pained turnings away and 'I would be alone's.
So, people either thought one or both of the stories was untrue, or exaggerated, or a Kovacian game of smoke and mirrors, and resented having their emotional strings pulled in multiple and confusing directions.
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quote:Originally posted by Carter: Shit. Sorry George. The fact is, neither of those injuries were caused by friends in a bizarre middle-class Fight-and-Cheese Club style mash-up.
I'll have to leave the floor open to those with more relevant experience.
meh. I was just commenting that the fact that there's lots of facial injuries, and you get to see them, doesn't necessarily mean that it's no big deal. That's all. Personally I've had no bones broken in my face, so by your logic I guess I should leave the floor open as well.
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Maybe Kelvin occasionally came to the White Horse disguised as Ray, you know, for a laugh. Then everyone got to like Ray more than Kelvin. Kelvin got a bit brassed off and had Ray beaten to death in the car park by gypsies. Or, maybe Kelvin was quite happy with his alterego, Ray, until he got fed up with the White Horse and decided he'd drop it out, except he didn't want anyone to twig he was actually Ray, too! So, he invented a story that would get both of them out of the frame. Or maybe Ray and Kelvin are such good mates that they would agree to forego the charms of the White Horse in order to pull off a spectacular hoax?
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We all prisoners, chickee-baby. We all locked in.
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I thought the kovacs-roy thing was a real event (it seems quite 'kovacian' to try and re-enact one's own version of fight club), since both kovacs, roy and modge effectively had similar versions of events - although modge's posts could I suppose have been kovacs wearing drag - but the ben-fish thing is just blatantly wrong.
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