quote:Originally posted by Boy Racer: I may be wrong about this, but it is my understanding that in terms of charitable donations in the UK the animal charities are the biggest earners.
I believe this is the case. Which makes me very sad and a little bit angry.
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I don't worship Bill Hicks: I just resent the fact that Denis Leary made his fortune by riding so blatantly on his coat-tails.
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I was going to launch into a 'male feminists make me sick' rant, but to be honest Bill's goatboy/sex stuff is by far his least funny material. So fair play.
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quote:Originally posted by ben: You can't ignore the fact that a lot of the steam behind the anti-hunting tradition comes from the romantic and sentimental conception of the fox. People don't give half so much of a fuck about - say - the thousands of fish that get a hook through the roof of their mouth in the name of recreation every week. Fish simply don't have that same affective appeal.
Yeah but fish are going to be caught between now and the end of time. Regardless. So thats a bit redundant really.
quote:I'd guess that thousands of overfed, underexercised family pets suffered a great deal more (obesity, cancer etc) and over a much longer period than the few hundred or so foxes hunted by hounds.
According to Sky yesterday there are 250 thousand foxes in the UK of which 16,000 are hunted a year. Which doesnt make your point of pet neglect any less valid but if that number is true then thats 16,000 foxes suffering an unnecessarily cruel death.
quote:Also: "free range" only means swapping a tiny cage for a gigantic, sunless shed, pulsing with the roar of several thousand other chickens. Hope no one was harbouring any illusions about some sort of Old Mcdonalds arrangement.
quote:Originally posted by My Name Is Joe: I was going to launch into a 'male feminists make me sick' rant, but to be honest Bill's goatboy/sex stuff is by far his least funny material. So fair play.
This makes Goatboy sad! Goatboy will have to try harder to please Joe. Maybe Joe is free tonight? Gotaboy could have fun with Joe! Mwahahahaha!
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quote:Originally posted by Boy Racer: Oh, let it go Astro, it was a long time ago.
I was only saying. I can't help it, anyway. My Leary aversion is like a motor response: I become momentarily enraged every time someone mentions his name. I'm the same with Sting. And monkeys.
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[sidenote]I watched a secret Lamb gig on Saturday and in-between the bar and the gig was a cinema room that was showing Bill Hicks. I could skip between watching bands, stocking up on beer and laughing my sphincter against my tonsils.[/sidenote]
I think everything on the subject has been said regarding the fox hunting ban, my feelings towards the argument of 'loss of jobs for hunters' and the moral high-ground that falls inbetween. I'll share a couple of stories though.
I knew of a girl who was campaigning in Gloucestershire to raise awareness that the local farmers were creating a 'butter mountain' and letting the product go to waste so that they would stabalise their subsidies coming in from the government. They didn't support local communities by knocking down the price and distributing it evenly. Many other industries across different continents, including our own of course are forced to give it to other countries either through trade or by donation. An article here gives you an example of the usual story. As far as I am aware. Gloucester Council weren't interested in the story or applying pressure for the farmers to utilise the goods. So; rotten butter, rotten farmers, fat subsidies. It did make me wonder why they turned a blind eye, as I don't see how they could have benefitted. I appreciate this is an isolated incident, but I am told they were many more examples from the past and I assume it continues to happen, somewhere in farmsville, UK. I can't agree that a decision to withold the stock at the risk of prices lowering, is a better alternative to letting the product run into it's sell-by-date? Small hmm at that.
Fox-hunting? We were stopped on the road by a fox hunt once. They were riding out onto the main road and a gentleman rode in front of the car to which screeched to a halt. He held out his hand like a policeman and the hunter rode to the side window and bent down. He was yelling at the lady driving the 4x4 (which was my friends mother) and said 'what do you think you're doing? You could have hit me!' and she was to put it midly, perplexed at his attitude and was stunned into silence. There then proceeded a large amount of dogs running past, horn-blowing and tally-ho-ing. He then said 'I know who you work for....I could have you fired!' and turned around and rode off. I was shocked at his manner and a little worried at what he said. She laughed as rode off and my friend just leant over and said in a quiet reassuring voice 'She works for my dad'
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quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Doh, I knew that wouldn't come across. It was I, my friend and his mum who was in the car. His dad is her boss.
I think i get it - the joke is that the huntsman either a) didn't actually know who she worked for and was bluffing or b) may have known who she worked for, but didn't realise she was married to him thus meaning any leverage he had over her employment was meaningless in the face of her nuptials (ie the husband would be unlikely to sack his own wife on the say so of some guy on a horse). Am I right?
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quote:Originally posted by mooch: Yeah but fish are going to be caught between now and the end of time. Regardless. So thats a bit redundant really.
Not at all - your fatalistic attitude towards their fate and (presumably) suffering illustrates my point rather neatly.
quote:According to Sky yesterday there are 250 thousand foxes in the UK of which 16,000 are hunted a year. Which doesnt make your point of pet neglect any less valid but if that number is true then thats 16,000 foxes suffering an unnecessarily cruel death.
Is an unnecessarily cruel death worse than an unnecessarily cruel continued existence? One would have thought, given that pets are supposedly kept for companionship or whatever that the latter was doubly cruel - particularly given the length of time that suffering might continue for.
If hunting is culling around 3% of foxes per year, one would presume that's the most elderly and infirm portion of the population - which would otherwise perish from disease or starvation. How would you decribe death from disease or starvation? "Necessarily cruel"?
Would that domestic pets had such care lavished upon them.
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quote:Originally posted by ben: If hunting is culling around 3% of foxes per year, one would presume that's the most elderly and infirm portion of the population - which would otherwise perish from disease or starvation. How would you decribe death from disease or starvation? "Necessarily cruel"?
Would that domestic pets had such care lavished upon them.
Most healthy foxes are killed in their ceaseless struggle with the evil stoat empire. Elderly foxes get a sort of viking funeral, with a pyre of acorns. The badger army all stand to attention and the dormouse monks say a special woodland mass. I read it. In a book.
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: I knew of a girl who was campaigning in Gloucestershire to raise awareness that the local farmers were creating a 'butter mountain' and letting the product go to waste so that they would stabalise their subsidies coming in from the government. They didn't support local communities by knocking down the price and distributing it evenly. Many other industries across different continents, including our own of course are forced to give it to other countries either through trade or by donation. An article here gives you an example of the usual story. As far as I am aware. Gloucester Council weren't interested in the story or applying pressure for the farmers to utilise the goods. So; rotten butter, rotten farmers, fat subsidies.
Mikee, butter does not come from cows - or if it does, those are cows with some fucked up udders.
Milk is sold by farmers to the dairy processors - who make the butter. Farmers are screwed by the dairy industry on a daily basis.
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quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: Most healthy foxes are killed in their ceaseless struggle with the evil stoat empire. Elderly foxes get a sort of viking funeral, with a pyre of acorns. The badger army all stand to attention and the dormouse monks say a special woodland mass. I read it. In a book.
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Mart, you vulture. You made a single milky white tear draw down my cheek like a manga character when they recall the night their cousin was savagely brutalised by demons from the realm of Ten'ta'coq.
BM, I haven't forgiven you for endorsing Devul lager.
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