quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Perhaps if Bamba doesn't like it he should go back to The Cuban Lounge, where he holds the same role as Thorn on HB "Rellies".
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Perhaps if Bamba doesn't like it he should go back to The Cuban Lounge, where he holds the same role as Thorn on HB "Rellies".
Perhaps you should cram it up your arse?
Unnecessarily harsh unless you feel there's something wrong or embarrassing about your role on TCL.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Perhaps if Bamba doesn't like it he should go back to The Cuban Lounge, where he holds the same role as Thorn on HB "Rellies".
Is kovacs compiling a report on everyone's non-TMO internet activities?
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Bamba, for fuck's sake don't give it out if you can't take it. You cast yourself as a moody, thick-skinned, bullish character on here so you really should be able to handle someone responding to you slightly acerbically without compiling a fucking report about it and submitting it to the board.
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One of my fave things about the internet is the way it makes us, sophisticated and intelligent adults as we are, behave like children closing their eyes and hiding behind their fingers and going 'aha! I can't see you, so you can't see me!' The notion that if someone stumbles upon your diaryland they just 'shouldn't read it' because it's dishonourable, and they should treat it with the same respect they would a paper diary. The idea that, if I post on a different forum under a different name, then I suddenly, magically, have a completely different identity that has no relation to or similarities with the original one. All of which is, of course, just so much bullshit. Unfortunately.
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quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Bamba, for fuck's sake don't give it out if you can't take it. You cast yourself as a moody, thick-skinned, bullish character on here so you really should be able to handle someone responding to you slightly acerbically without compiling a fucking report about it and submitting it to the board.
Oh fuck off with "compiling a report", one single sentence is hardly that and your post is further 'weakened' by such ridiculous exagerration. That aside, if you'd given me shit about something I'd said/done here then fair enough but to go and lurk somewhere else then suddenly bring that up and sling it at me on TMO is, I would say, slightly below the belt. If I'd brought it up here, made it part of the domain of discussion as it were, in the same way Thorn sometimes does about HB then yeah, I could hardly complain, but it gets my back up to have you pull it out of nowhere. Possibly I'm not justified in that but there it is. Undoubtedly you've got a large web-presence yourself but I wouldn't go hunting for stuff you've done/said elsewhere just to use for ammunition here.
I had some other comments, spurred by Londie's post, but work calls for the moment.
quote:Originally posted by Bamba: ]Oh fuck off with "compiling a report", one single sentence is hardly that and your post is further 'weakened' by such ridiculous exagerration.
It was settled, I was pleasant to you in a way you didn't entirely deserve, and you brought it up again. That, to me, is continued whining.
quote: That aside, if you'd given me shit about something I'd said/done here then fair enough but to go and lurk somewhere else then suddenly bring that up and sling it at me on TMO is, I would say, slightly below the belt.
Why? I didn't say anything bad about TCL. It's hardly "lurking" on there if I read the 5 threads they post every week. I "lurk" more on the Guardian website, which has rather more new content every day. If you want it to be private, I'm sure you could make TCL available to be read by members only.
So many TMO contributors also post on TCL that I don't see it as "spying" to check it out now and then, when I've run out of things to look at on other boards.
I didn't see my original comment as especially spiteful.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: It was settled, I was pleasant to you in a way you didn't entirely deserve, and you brought it up again. That, to me, is continued whining.
It wasn't really settled, it was just brushed over. The reason I posted my reply to VP was as an attempt to explain why I'd got so fucked off with you rather than just leaving things the way they were. It's got a bit out of hand again but it was a genuine attempt to say "Look, here's my justification, I wasn't just trying to be a dick for the sake of it" which is what I suspected your over-riding impression would be had I left things unsaid. Granted, I probably wouldn't have had the 'balls' to reopen the subject myself but when VP's post gave me an opportunity to clear the air I took it. As to what I did and didn't deserve from you, I don't agree with your opinion there but, y'know, fuck it.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Why? I didn't say anything bad about TCL. It's hardly "lurking" on there if I read the 5 threads they post every week. I "lurk" more on the Guardian website, which has rather more new content every day. If you want it to be private, I'm sure you could make TCL available to be read by members only.
So many TMO contributors also post on TCL that I don't see it as "spying" to check it out now and then, when I've run out of things to look at on other boards.
This is really just an extended explanation of your definition of 'lurk' which is pretty beside the point really.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I didn't see my original comment as especially spiteful.
If it wasn't spiteful, if it wasn't making a point then what was it for? As far as I remember you've made withering comments in the past about Thorn's place on the HB Relationships board and, with your comment coming so quickly on the heels of my incendiary post, my assumption that your comparison was having a go was reasonable. If not then why even mention it? Why bring it up at all? Of course, I can't prove you were taking a snidey dig at me but I can't believe that you weren't and so for you to complain at me biting back seems a bit much. Christ, I told you to cram your post up your arse, hardly the most personal or biting comment ever posted on TMO.
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quote:Originally posted by Bamba: This is really just an extended explanation of your definition of 'lurk' which is pretty beside the point really.
I thought part of your complaint was that I was "lurking" on TCL, which of course has negative connotations and makes it sound like I sneak around trying to gather incriminating information, rather than that I read lots of public websites including that one.
quote:Originally posted by Bamba: If it wasn't spiteful, if it wasn't making a point then what was it for?
I can't even remember now.
I will honestly have to look.
OK: well you were making a general, mild enough put-down about the level of conversation being Handbag-poor. I guess my post was a "riposte". No big deal, surely. As far as I know, you do techie stuff on TCL and banter with Louche. My comment translates as fuck off where you came from, then.
Re. Thorn on Handbag, I find his role there very entertaining and if you remember, recently defended him (on here) when he was attacked on that board. I have probably posted on Handbag more than he does, so I'm in no position to criticise him for it.
I wouldn't really take it as a nasty comment if someone said to me "get back to Barbelith where everyone loves you, then".
I don't think it's worth arguing about too much. In fact, it is taking me away from this
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I thought part of your complaint was that I was "lurking" on TCL, which of course has negative connotations and makes it sound like I sneak around trying to gather incriminating information, rather than that I read lots of public websites including that one.
I dunno, lurking has never really had negative connotations in my head, especially given how long I spent doing it on SeeThru myself. I use it simply to mean "reading a message board without posting there" and certainly the fact that you read stuff on TCL at all wasn't part of my issue.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: OK: well you were making a general, mild enough put-down about the level of conversation being Handbag-poor. I guess my post was a "riposte". No big deal, surely. As far as I know, you do techie stuff on TCL and banter with Louche. My comment translates as fuck off where you came from, then.
I should maybe make clear that I was only putting-down the previous two posts on that thread, Saltrock and Mikey's I think, not the thread as a while which I quite enjoyed and even contributed to myself though I don't know if that changes anything. Regardless, if you had said something more straightforward like "Piss off back to TCL then" I doubt I'd have been annoyed, it was the sneering tone of the post that really got me. Though perhaps from what you say the 'sneer' is down to my reading and wasn't your intention.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Re. Thorn on Handbag, I find his role there very entertaining and if you remember, recently defended him (on here) when he was attacked on that board. I have probably posted on Handbag more than he does, so I'm in no position to criticise him for it.
I remember the defense you mounted but 97's actions there were a bit off-colour generally so that doesn't really preclude the possiblity that you still 'looked down on' his position there. I was sure I remember you making some negative remarks about it previously but I can't be sure thinking about it now so if you never have then I apologise for that accusation.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I wouldn't really take it as a nasty comment if someone said to me "get back to Barbelith where everyone loves you, then".
No, as I said above neither would I have if that was all you'd said but your tone and the obfuscation of your meaning caused by throwing in the reference to Thorn on HB meant I instantly assumed your post was more mean-spirited than apparently was meant.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I don't think it's worth arguing about too much.
No, in this your are entirely correct and I only post this response knowing that it'll be a mixture of clarifications and apolgies unlikely to spark any further discussion. As with all spats on message boards the time-lapse nature of the responses and the 'deep' analysis that results always absorbs any real sting and I'm now no longer even vaguely pissed off about it if that helps. Given that you've stated above that you didn't really mean that much by your comment I'd like to apologise for going nuts. My knee-jerk rage I think was caused by two things:
I do tend to read a sneering tone into things you say if it's not immediately obvious what your actual intent is. It's like the opposite to when I read Thorn or Louche's posts, they'd have to try very hard indeed to make me at all angry whereas, from others, it takes comparitively little. I'd quite like to blame that on your general persona but I doubt that's really the case, this is really my 'issue'.
I'm enjoying being part of the community on TCL for very different reasons to enjoying TMO but I'm still finding my feet to an extent there and am thus over-sensitive to criticism of my behaviour (as I would be posting anywhere for the first while). This again though is entirely my fault and not yours I realise.
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Is any of this really relevant? "You said this and this upset me because of that and now I said this because of that" Life is too short.
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quote:Originally posted by Bamba: I should maybe make clear that I was only putting-down the previous two posts on that thread, Saltrock and Mikey's I think, not the thread as a while which I quite enjoyed and even contributed to myself though I don't know if that changes anything.
Yeah it does a little bit. You are in no position to fucking swiftly back hand me when you have also spent the afternoon chasing the coat tails of a recent newb, waiting for turds to sniff and discuss like some kind of enthroned bulletin board king. You got as good as you gave and you're just upset that it came from a more reliable source of persuasion.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I thought part of your complaint was that I was "lurking" on TCL, which of course has negative connotations and makes it sound like I sneak around trying to gather incriminating information, rather than that I read lots of public websites including that one.
I dunno, lurking has never really had negative connotations in my head, especially given how long I spent doing it on SeeThru myself. I use it simply to mean "reading a message board without posting there" and certainly the fact that you read stuff on TCL at all wasn't part of my issue.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: OK: well you were making a general, mild enough put-down about the level of conversation being Handbag-poor. I guess my post was a "riposte". No big deal, surely. As far as I know, you do techie stuff on TCL and banter with Louche. My comment translates as fuck off where you came from, then.
I should maybe make clear that I was only putting-down the previous two posts on that thread, Saltrock and Mikey's I think, not the thread as a while which I quite enjoyed and even contributed to myself though I don't know if that changes anything. Regardless, if you had said something more straightforward like "Piss off back to TCL then" I doubt I'd have been annoyed, it was the sneering tone of the post that really got me. Though perhaps from what you say the 'sneer' is down to my reading and wasn't your intention.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Re. Thorn on Handbag, I find his role there very entertaining and if you remember, recently defended him (on here) when he was attacked on that board. I have probably posted on Handbag more than he does, so I'm in no position to criticise him for it.
I remember the defense you mounted but 97's actions there were a bit off-colour generally so that doesn't really preclude the possiblity that you still 'looked down on' his position there. I was sure I remember you making some negative remarks about it previously but I can't be sure thinking about it now so if you never have then I apologise for that accusation.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I wouldn't really take it as a nasty comment if someone said to me "get back to Barbelith where everyone loves you, then".
No, as I said above neither would I have if that was all you'd said but your tone and the obfuscation of your meaning caused by throwing in the reference to Thorn on HB meant I instantly assumed your post was more mean-spirited than apparently was meant.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I don't think it's worth arguing about too much.
No, in this your are entirely correct and I only post this response knowing that it'll be a mixture of clarifications and apolgies unlikely to spark any further discussion. As with all spats on message boards the time-lapse nature of the responses and the 'deep' analysis that results always absorbs any real sting and I'm now no longer even vaguely pissed off about it if that helps. Given that you've stated above that you didn't really mean that much by your comment I'd like to apologise for going nuts. My knee-jerk rage I think was caused by two things:
I do tend to read a sneering tone into things you say if it's not immediately obvious what your actual intent is. It's like the opposite to when I read Thorn or Louche's posts, they'd have to try very hard indeed to make me at all angry whereas, from others, it takes comparitively little. I'd quite like to blame that on your general persona but I doubt that's really the case, this is really my 'issue'.
I'm enjoying being part of the community on TCL for very different reasons to enjoying TMO but I'm still finding my feet to an extent there and am thus over-sensitive to criticism of my behaviour (as I would be posting anywhere for the first while). This again though is entirely my fault and not yours I realise.
Ben, if you're reading this, I hold you entirely responsible for this annoying "point-by-point response" to even the most trivial of arguments.
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