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I was having a discussion the other day in which I was referred to as a "pervert" for admitting that I quite like pornography. I'm not talking about hardcore donkey rape action, granny battering or anything scatty. No, just common or garden vanilla "pretty nudey girls" type of stuff.
quote:pervert noun a person whose sexual behaviour is considered strange and unpleasant by most people
Now call me wrong if you like, but "pervert" to me suggests something "against the norm", and as far as I can work out, it's perfectly normal to enjoy mainstream porn. Find me a man who is genuinely offended by mainstream stuff, and I'll point at him and call him a pervert. You get the idea.
I'm off to Spearmint Rhino tonight, too. Something else which many would call "perverted", but again: Find me a heterosexual man who genuinely doesn't enjoy a strip joint, and I'll show you a liar (or a jolly unusual chap, at least).
So, what's your take?
Maybe you're a P.C. "Modern Man" who believes that the girls in pornography or strip clubs are exploited and it shouldn't be allowed.
Maybe you're a flag-waving Doc Marten'd lesbian who hangs around outside lapdance clubs with a cricket bat, waiting to slug it to inebriated clientele?
Maybe your a girl, or "lady", who doesn't like nudity and thinks it degrades her and all her sistren. Maybe you're a girl who likes pornography.
Or maybe, just maybe, you're a porn star / stripper and enjoy exploiting men (email in profile).
Or are you a real pervert, who "flicks one out" in the ladies' pants section of Tesco, or sniffs rubber BDSM slattern magazines for kicks - or maybe you like Cold Shit Action.
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I like a bit of porn, but I think my interest kind of ends at the shit/vomit side of things. It's not always for wanking either. I've got an ongoing mission to find that perfect picture/film clip, that will do the trick every time for the rest of my life. It's a passive thing, I'm not dedicated to it, but I know that somewhere, this image exists.
It's weird how wanking off to porn is totally acceptable and normal now. I'm sure that's fairly recent.
quote:Originally posted by Doctor Agamemnon When: I'm off to Spearmint Rhino tonight, too. Something else which many would call "perverted", but again: Find me a heterosexual man who genuinely doesn't enjoy a strip joint, and I'll show you a liar (or a jolly unusual chap, at least).
I find strip joints pretty depressing in that
- the girls' attitude to the male customers is on a spectrum from indifference to contempt, veneered with not-very-convincing fake enthusiasm
- the spectacle of a naked woman performing acrobatics becomes so unerotic, so unexciting, so so-so, so quickly.
I've probably said this before but the only "porn" I find at all fascinating now is pictures of girls I kind of "know" from films, tv and music, either stripping down or being caught revealed.
Of this group, I only find pretty girl-next-door types attractive (Rachel Stevens, Sam Heuston, Kirsten Dunst) so it's a very small category and there aren't often any new pictures to look at/for.
Basically it's the erotic focus I obviously had fixed in me at a very early age -- the idea of seeing your pretty classmate or neighbour, or in later life your attractive friend or colleague, wearing fewer clothes. Because I sort of media-know Dunst, Heuston and Stevens and have seen them wearing clothes, doing normal stuff, being interviewed -- doing non-porn stuff -- I find images of them undressed slightly arousing.
That's about it though as far as porn goes, for me.
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I think porn has been pretty acceptable and normal since the early 70's what's changed is the way in which it is presented. VHS changed it all and now with Divx and Mpeg its moved on to a whole new sub level, like a bonking Readers Wives if you will, with anyone looking to make a buck being able to tap into whatever fetish audience they want to reach. Ugly women, ugly men, old, mature, young (barely 18 though not kiddie porn) cum, poo, piss, anal gape, Dp, TP and an all holes filled ski pole special.
In the 70's with the likes of Deep Throat and Debbie does it was women being forced to perfom acts but being made to look like they wanted it, now it's women wanting to do acts and being made to look like they're forced into it.
Control is the key and I've lost track of who has hold of it these days.
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Like Kovacs and the bloke from Sex, Lies & Videotape I get aroused by the newdiness of people I know. I need the interaction. That's not porn though. Porn, like when there's a bird you don't know with her kit off and gyrating, isn't really arousing, there hasn't been a two way process involved. Can I get off to it - well yes, absolutely, I'm a bloke. It's not in itself arousing though. Sometimes I give the models back-stories, or sometimes they look like people I know .. thats when I can really take a grip and get a wank going that'll affect my heart-rate. Porn though, is more like when you're doing a hooker and you want to get off quickly so you can get back down to the bar with your mates.
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I have a friend who thinks all "porno" is pretty perverted. I'm also fairly certain that she thinks her long term boyfriend has never looked at porn or masturbated since they've been going out.
I find porn either briefly comical or just ugly and unerotic. Seeing as my imagination furnishes me with all kinds of wonderful scenarios from being a Derby-winning jockey to being lost on the island with Dr Jack Hero and sultry Saeed fighting over me, I've never understood why people need to look at quite posed and unrealistic pics to fantasise. I mean, my memories of sex must be fainter than anyone else's here, but I don't need a visual prompt to conjure up some pleasantly raunchy daydreams.
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quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: I mean, my memories of sex must be fainter than anyone else's here, but I don't need a visual prompt to conjure up some pleasantly raunchy daydreams.
Neither do I. In fact your beautiful words have conjured up an image of a cobwebby clout.
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quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: I don't need a visual prompt to conjure up some pleasantly raunchy daydreams.
I agree. Isn't there some sort of scientific* basis for saying that this is a typically female view? That women tend to favour imagination over obvious and crude visual stimulii?
* quite possibly in a Channel 4 psychological sexperiment kind of way.
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Is there such a thing as true lesbian porn ? You know made specifically for the lesbian market and not aimed at men who just like looking at lesbians and secretly hoping they get the nod to join in ?
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Darryn, the simple answer to that is that yes there is. I don't really know about the hardcore variety, but certainly soft stuff is available. Calendars, books etc. As far as I can tell, books are far more popular in the lesbian market than the explicit photos that are aimed at men. I have no idea whether this is more the case for lesbians than it is for straight women.
Genre stuff seems to be particularly popular, both in "erotic" fiction and just fiction in general - vampires are popular (lesbian goth), some S&M stuff which is harder (Pat Califia etc.), detective novels are another popular genre which I think crosses over into porn.
The longer answer is that pornography is still somewhat of a fraught issue, broadly split on generational lesbian-feminist/ so called post-feminist lines.
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Harcore porn (by lesbians for lesbians) does exist. It's more of an American thing tho' having its roots in 1990s San Fran.
As OJ mentions because of the intensely political debate (the industry apeing the patriarchy versus reclamation of the female body in a non-exploitative form) it was usually dressed up as "art" or "performance art" and to some extent still is. Annie Sparkle springs to mind.
This is either, depending on your viewpoint, because: as a lesbian watching porn that actually appeals to you shouldn't be tied up in gender politics or an attempt to sidestep the real harm that "real" hardcore lesbian porn does to the "cause" in order to tap a new market and is a treacherous sellout.
is there a naked man or woman in the room with you? do they look happy or sad? are you out of breath? are you experiencing euphoria, disappointment, or guilt?
just trying to build a picture.
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quote:Originally posted by omikin: jonesy = easily-aroused foot fetishist.
Did anyone see Room 101 the other night with the Ballon fetishist video ? Gave me the raging horn that did, I tell you I certainly wasn't expecting that.
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