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Samuelnorton
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quote:
Originally posted by kovacs:
You failed to mention that he did get pilloried for those comments.

Pilloried. Yeah, OK. But this is not quite the same as being crucified, hung, drawn and quartered.

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1. He writes occasional provocative comments "to shock", ie. he doesn't genuinely mean them.

I think you are giving him far too much credit, mon vieux.

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2. His underlying motive of keeping the forum motivated and vibrant, whether you agree with his vision and methods or not, is genuine in my opinion.

It's odd but I sometimes do the same for similar reasons. Take my troll-mode over the weekend, for example. It began as a reaction to something Ben said, but it became a way of breathing life into a thread that might well have just faded away. Even this thread, as you yourself have acknowledged, has provided the forum with "bite".

Perhaps it's just that the distiction between "belief" and "shock" for
me is slightly different, in that many consider some of my beliefs "shocking". Of course, this is magnified by the fact that TMO is a liberal-leaning board; I've found that in everyday polite conversation, much of what I say hardly registers a look of suprise, let alone the righteous indignation displayed by Ben. Maybe I have hung around with fellow-travellers for far too long.

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Maybe I have hung around with fellow-travellers for far too long.

You're gay!?

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You're gay!?

Of course not! Those guys were sorted out back in June 1934.

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quote:
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Those guys were sorted out back in June 1934.

This is funny in a special way.

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Rick, yesterday:


Not those sort of travellers, fule!!!

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Cue some phooite sticking Ben's and my head on that grotty image.

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quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:

Perhaps it's just that the distiction between "belief" and "shock" for
me is slightly different, in that many consider some of my beliefs "shocking". Of course, this is magnified by the fact that TMO is a liberal-leaning board; I've found that in everyday polite conversation, much of what I say hardly registers a look of suprise, let alone the righteous indignation displayed by Ben. Maybe I have hung around with fellow-travellers for far too long.


Is it "liberal-leaning" these days to think that overt racism isn't really acceptable, and that millions of Jews probably did die in the Holocaust? Aren't they such widely-held beliefs that they can be found at all but the most extreme right-wing?

I honestly can't imagine what polite society you do hang around in where drinking toasts to Hitler doesn't raise an eyebrow.

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Is it "liberal-leaning" these days to think that overt racism isn't really acceptable, and that millions of Jews probably did die in the Holocaust? Aren't they such widely-held beliefs that they can be found at all but the most extreme right-wing?

A question, Ko: can you tell when I am writing as myself, and when I am playing with the "Nazi" persona?

I don't think I have ever, when writing seriously, voiced overt racism of any sort, and I actually think that you have said as much when we discussed this sort of thing before.

Suggesting that Albanian asylum seekers should be deported isn't racist. Nor is making the observation that mugging is a predominantly black activity. Nor, for that matter, is questioning aspects of the Holocaust story. However, some may disagree, and argue to that effect.

Ben however does more than this: I feel he is programmed in some way to counter every single point I make to its maximum extent, and not give an inch of ground in any circumstance. A case in point was the Nazi doctors debate, where he ended up looking slightly ridiculous by his inability to concede what was essentially a reasonable point. This is clearly different to merely voicing natural liberal objections, as you appear to suggest.

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I honestly can't imagine what polite society you do hang around in where drinking toasts to Hitler doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Just reading this provides me with an answer to the question I asked you at the top of this post. The fact is that you can read me on this medium as well I can read Ben - which is not very well.

In my polite society we discuss modern political issues without malice. We usually try and see through the liberal veneer that shapes our society, and I feel that such an approach is a healthy one. And - we usually toast with a regulation "chin-chin".

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Originally posted by Samuelnorton:

A question, Ko: can you tell when I am writing as myself, and when I am playing with the "Nazi" persona?

I believe your "Nazi" persona is only an exaggerated version of your genuine beliefs. I also believe, in fact -- as I suggested above -- that you play up these beliefs into a more stylised form in order that you can state them and then claim you were only messing around.

I don't mean this to sound like an attack on you. You know that I generally retain a respect for you on here because of certain traits I admire, and somehow manage to take the traits that I don't agree with on board without it eroding the respect. However, I do think you enjoy coming out with bigoted statements because they're not far off what you truly believe, and that you use the exaggeration as a means of escaping the criticism you know those comments will attract.


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I don't think I have ever, when writing seriously, voiced overt racism of any sort, and I actually think that you have said as much when we discussed this sort of thing before.

I've said that I think you have a disgust for what you see as "black youth" culture that is -- I don't feel it can be avoided -- a form of racism. I don't think you'd feel the same if white youths practiced an identical culture.

I do also sense that your distaste for Jewish people isn't just down to political dislike of "Zionist conspiracy", but something to do with their actual ethnicity.

Sometimes I feel I'm the only member of this board who doesn't dislike you, and I'm not saying this out of dislike, but those are my honest answers.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
I believe your "Nazi" persona is only an exaggerated version of your genuine beliefs. I also believe, in fact -- as I suggested above -- that you play up these beliefs into a more stylised form in order that you can state them and then claim you were only messing around.

I can see why you see this to be the case, for reasons outlined before. However, I'd have thought, having spoken with me in a civilised fashion, that you of all people would have been able to differentiate between what is a statement of belief - I think hip-hop culture encourages criminal behaviour - and a stylised "Nazi" statement - I think all negroes have a genetic predisposition to commit crime.

Admittedly, the lines are blurred, which would not be the case if I had retained my serious beliefs yet adopted a "loony lefty" persona for shock value.

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I don't mean this to sound like an attack on you. You know that I generally retain a respect for you on here because of certain traits I admire, and somehow manage to take the traits that I don't agree with on board without it eroding the respect.

I am not seeing it as an attack, though I am disappointed that you can't see the difference between what might be part of a serious debate and the sort of trollish shock tactics that I employed last weekend.

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However, I do think you enjoy coming out with bigoted statements because they're not far off what you truly believe, and that you use the exaggeration as a means of escaping the criticism you know those comments will attract.

I have never tried to escape criticism on here; instead, I think the opposite has been the case by my willingness to take this criticism head on and end up involved in turgid repetitive debate as a result.

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I've said that I think you have a disgust for what you see as "black youth" culture that is -- I don't feel it can be avoided -- a form of racism. I don't think you'd feel the same if white youths practiced an identical culture.

So you really think I'd just wave and say hello if I saw some white guy with his trousers round his ankles and a tea-cosy for a hat loitering outside a tube station? Get real.

The majority of Burberry-wearing, sick-stained oiks who populate the streets of Ibiza and Faliraki are white. And unless you are deliberately ignoring the fact, I have spoken about these people in equally disparaging terms as I have done when discussing the dedicated followers of black fashion and urban "culture".

Of course, my views on the Faliraki fuckwits - and pikeys for that matter also, the majority of who are also white - cannot be conveniently described as "racism", leading in these instances to my being described as a "pompous arse", or something equally ridiculous.

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I can see why you see this to be the case, for reasons outlined before. However, I'd have thought, having spoken with me in a civilised fashion, that you of all people would have been able to differentiate between what is a statement of belief - I think hip-hop culture encourages criminal behaviour - and a stylised "Nazi" statement - I think all negroes have a genetic predisposition to commit crime.


Yes, of course. I never said I couldn't distinguish between comments like that, and I naturally saw your latter remark as self-mocking and provocative.

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I am not seeing it as an attack, though I am disappointed that you can't see the difference between what might be part of a serious debate and the sort of trollish shock tactics that I employed last weekend.


I can, as I said. But you admitted the lines were blurred, which is what I have been getting at. Your more "moderate" comment about hip-hop culture and your more "extreme" comment lie, I think, at either end of what I suspect are your genuine beliefs, that it's not just racially-neutral "hip-hop" culture, based around a form of music, but young black culture, that you dislike. I don't think you'd really entertain that thought about "negroes" above but equally I think your focus is really on black young people whom you associate with that kind of music.

I can't back this up but after having read your posts on here over 3 years, it's the impression I get.

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So you really think I'd just wave and say hello if I saw some white guy with his trousers round his ankles and a tea-cosy for a hat loitering outside a tube station? Get real.

The majority of Burberry-wearing, sick-stained oiks who populate the streets of Ibiza and Faliraki are white. And unless you are deliberately ignoring the fact, I have spoken about these people in equally disparaging terms as I have done when discussing the dedicated followers of black fashion and urban "culture".


That's true, I should perhaps have added that young black people are far from the only social group you dislike. To be fair, your targets are not just defined by race by any means.

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Yes, of course. I never said I couldn't distinguish between comments like that, and I naturally saw your latter remark as self-mocking and provocative.

OK, but you did throw in the "toast to Hitler" reference, something which you no doubt noticed in my "Hitler Wine" thread in the Web forum. I got the impression that you took what was a fictional scenario to be a real-life vision of me and my brown-shirted cohorts discussing the state of the nation while our womenfolk discussed cookery and babies.

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Your more "moderate" comment about hip-hop culture and your more "extreme" comment lie, I think, at either end of what I suspect are your genuine beliefs, that it's not just racially-neutral "hip-hop" culture, based around a form of music, but young black culture, that you dislike.

But is hip-hop culture "racially neutral"? I would disagree, and suggest that this and what most people see as black youth or "urban" culture are one and the same.

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I don't think you'd really entertain that thought about "negroes" above but equally I think your focus is really on black young people whom you associate with that kind of music.

You appear to have overlooked the glaring fact that hip-hop music is black. Therefore, it follows that if one is critical of hip-hop urban culture, one would for the most part be critical of black youth culture and those who follow it, who would for the most part be black.

Of course, this doesn't mean that others who follow these trends are exempt from criticism; I would have the same reservations about some white or Asian youth trying to act "black" by hanging outside a local tube or bus station wearing ridiculous clothes.

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That's true, I should perhaps have added that young black people are far from the only social group you dislike. To be fair, your targets are not just defined by race by any means.

Balanced as ever. One can only wonder how the subject of this thread would have responded if placed in your position.

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OK, but you did throw in the "toast to Hitler" reference, something which you no doubt noticed in my "Hitler Wine" thread in the Web forum. I got the impression that you took what was a fictional scenario to be a real-life vision of me and my brown-shirted cohorts discussing the state of the nation while our womenfolk discussed cookery and babies.

Not exactly, but I wouldn't swear that toasting Hitler's birthday (if that's what the date was) is beyond you. I can imagine you doing it as a sort of provocative, "daring" routine with some friends who you know wouldn't be outraged. Again, I think you're hiding the possible truth behind an exaggerated picture. "I'll be saluting my statue of the Fuehrer and growing a toothbrush moustache specially." By setting up a ludicrous scenario you make it seem as though you're joking, when I suggest you're not entirely joking. After all, you do spend time and effort celebrating Nazi tank commanders. Wouldn't you raise a glass to one of your military heroes on his birthday, then?


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But is hip-hop culture "racially neutral"? I would disagree, and suggest that this and what most people see as black youth or "urban" culture are one and the same.

In that case, you're being disingenuous by phrasing it I think hip-hop culture encourages criminal behaviour. You were really saying "I think black youth culture encourages criminal behaviour."

To be fair, this isn't actually an outlandish statement, with the qualifier "I think". Except for the fact that, I would suggest, there is more to "black youth culture" than the sort of behaviour you're describing. I'd even say there was more to "hip-hop culture" than that behaviour.

I think I know what sort of youth you mean -- I'm not at all fond of the kind of young men and women who seem to just loiter or swagger around with the intention of, in one way or another, intimidating other people: whether through actual violence, verbal abuse or just contemptuous teeth-sucking and deliberately taking up more room than they need on seats and pavements. If this is the culture you're talking about, I'm by no means a fan of it.

I don't know how accurate it is to define it as "black" or "hip-hop" though.


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One can only wonder how the subject of this thread would have responded if placed in your position.


You mean...if Ben was responding to a thread about me that I hadn't posted on.


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Originally posted by kovacs:
Not exactly, but I wouldn't swear that toasting Hitler's birthday (if that's what the date was) is beyond you. I can imagine you doing it as a sort of provocative, "daring" routine with some friends who you know wouldn't be outraged.

Yes, that's what the date is. You can imagine, eh? lol.

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By setting up a ludicrous scenario you make it seem as though you're joking, when I suggest you're not entirely joking. After all, you do spend time and effort celebrating Nazi tank commanders. Wouldn't you raise a glass to one of your military heroes on his birthday, then?

There's a difference between raising a glass to Hitler and doing the same to a soldier. I'd also take this opportunity to correct your reference to "Nazi tank commanders". This is inaccurate, as the man in question was not a member of the National Socialist Party nor was he in any way political. He was, however, the most successful tank commander of all time.

I would raise a glass to one of these military heroes, yes. And there's no shame in doing that.

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...you're being disingenuous by phrasing it I think hip-hop culture encourages criminal behaviour. You were really saying "I think black youth culture encourages criminal behaviour."

To prevent any claims that I am being disingenuous, I will make it clear that I see these concepts as one and the same, and that I believe that they promote a lifestyle than glorifies urban "cred", which has a heavy focus on street violence and criminal behaviour. Maybe I am constricting my argument by using the term "hip-hop" - there are of course other genres within the rubric of "black youth culture".

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Except for the fact that, I would suggest, there is more to "black youth culture" than the sort of behaviour you're describing. I'd even say there was more to "hip-hop culture" than that behaviour.

Of course there are going to be other aspects to these lifestyles. But there are some aspects that are far more visible than these others. I'd actually be interested in hearing what you have to say on this; maybe your next book could be on black youth culture. It would certainly be a change from Alice.

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I think I know what sort of youth you mean -- I'm not at all fond of the kind of young men and women who seem to just loiter or swagger around with the intention of, in one way or another, intimidating other people: whether through actual violence, verbal abuse or just contemptuous teeth-sucking and deliberately taking up more room than they need on seats and pavements. If this is the culture you're talking about, I'm by no means a fan of it.

You know this the "culture" I am talking about.

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I don't know how accurate it is to define it as "black" or "hip-hop" though.

That's why I am hoping you can tell me more, and furnish us with tales of your experiences with black urban youth.

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You mean...if Ben was responding to a thread about me that I hadn't posted on.

lol. Smartarse.

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quote:
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trousers round his ankles and a tea-cosy for a hat loitering outside a tube station?

Tsk. Typical Black behaviour.

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hanging outside a local tube or bus station wearing ridiculous clothes.

Tsk. Typical Black culture.

Or were you 'playing with your Nazi identity' when you let these two clangers drop?

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Or were you 'playing with your Nazi identity' when you let these two clangers drop?

Have you even been to Harrow Bus Station at night, Black Mask?

That said, out of those that gather there, I don't know what's worse: the garage crew that malinger in a menacing fashion, the grinning Somali gangs or the boneheads that roll out of the Rat and Parrot...

Rick says "I'd round them all up and let them chill in a cell". Naziboy says "I'd bloody well shoot them all".

Which one is true? You decide.

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That said, out of those that gather there, I don't know what's worse: the garage crew that malinger in a menacing fashion, the grinning Somali gangs or the boneheads that roll out of the Rat and Parrot...


1. do you mean garage as in the type of music? If so, what makes this group belong to that music?

2. if the Somalians are smiling, what are they doing wrong?

3. Spending an evening in a local chain pub is hardly hip hop.


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Of course there are going to be other aspects to these lifestyles. But there are some aspects that are far more visible than these others. I'd actually be interested in hearing what you have to say on this;

Well, I wouldn't say I know much about young black people, really. I meet a fair few at university but they aren't Londoners or even British for the most part -- most of them are African and so have a very different culture, manner, accent and approach to life from the young black people who grew up, for the most part, in London.

Otherwise I just engage with people of this group
i) in local shops, to a superficial extent
ii) at TAE BO, which is mostly black, but doesn't involve a lot of social mixing
iii) in the kind of sometimes-hostile street encounter I touched on above.

So I'm very much an "other" to London black culture, I think. I've said before that I think communities keep separate in my area.

However, I do get a very strong impression that there's a lot of Christianity in the black community around my way and in other parts of South London, and I'd be surprised if this didn't involve young people, male and female, as well as pious middle-aged aunties.

To be fair, the well-behaved black teenagers, who maybe balance schoolwork with PS2, music in their rooms and going round each other's houses, aren't likely to be visble to me, while the antisocial ones are exactly the ones, by their nature, who are going to be glowering at me from under their hoodies from outside the Costcutter.

Same is true of any ethnic group and its teens. I'm not going to see the nicer kids after dark, cause they will be watching TV or doing homework.

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Which one is true? You decide.

Maybe you can't decide, Rick. You just claimed that you never write anything overtly racist on the boards, yet your snide, derisory remarks about Black people are like a trail of little pellets of dessicated white dog shit. You do it constantly, maybe unconsciously. You consistently refer to eye-rolling, tea-cosy-wearing, tooth-sucking, knife-wielding, baggy-trousered, predatory Black men. A long-distance peek at Harrow bus-station seems to be about as far as you want to venture into the reality of 'Black culture', and you're supposed to be bent on 'the truth'.

You're a clown.

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3. Spending an evening in a local chain pub is hardly hip hop.


I think Rick meant here that the "white" boneheads were no better than the "non-white" thugs. Your image of beaming Somali guys sauntering happily around a bus station was lol.

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Sometimes I feel I'm the only member of this board who doesn't dislike you, and I'm not saying this out of dislike, but those are my honest answers.


I like Rick. He's a nazi fuck, and we've had spats, but I think he's a positive contributor.


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Why does nobody black ever post on TMO? Apart from that one aggressive guy BlueAlert or whatever...and that troll, the fat guy called Dudley or something, who turned out to be Thorn.

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1. do you mean garage as in the type of music? If so, what makes this group belong to that music?

They look like So Solid Crew. Which are a garage gang, sorry, - band - yes? And I very much doubt Kovacs would be comfortable if he thought you might be having to wait for a bus on a Saturday night.

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2. if the Somalians are smiling, what are they doing wrong?

Somali gangs have a vicious reputation in the area, often fighting with passers-by but mainly with other black gangs (like the garage gang). The fact that many of them have fixed smiles is therefore unfortunate. Liberian rebel leaders also smile a lot, as did Idi Amin. Your point?

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3. Spending an evening in a local chain pub is hardly hip hop.

lol. No, more chip shop. I simply chucked them into the mix so I could provide BM with a flavour of Harrow Bus Station at night.

Not nice.

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To Kovacs: Bandy posts all the time.

To Rick: I work in Harrow, and I was a little surprised by your description as I have never witnessed anything like what you describe. Admittedly I am not there late at night, but still. My perception of the area is that it has a high proportion of Hindu and Carribbean families, and actually seemed like an area with strong religious influence. Not that this precludes gangs of youths, but to be honest I think you'd find those anywhere in the country. I think it is perhaps more as Kovacs suggested above, that youth culture is often defined by those youths seen hanging around on the streets in the evenings (which was considered a problem in my village in Fife where there are only white Scottish folks) than by those teens who spend their time elsewhere.

I'm sorry I was flippant about the Somalians, it just made me giggle when I read it.

Just as an aside I was at a bus stop in South East London recently and was waiting alongside an older woman who I took to be Jamaican. Two black teenage boys (looking like So Solid members) came along and were "messing around" as they waited - pushing each other, taking the piss out of each other as teenage boys are wont to do. After a few minutes the woman turned to the boys and said "will you two just stop it, and wait in peace". The two boys apologised and stood quietly until the bus came. Now I highly doubt that if those boys had been white they would have responded in that way. Sadly, I think they would have been more likely to retaliate and be agressive towards the woman. I was surprised by the way these two boys did behave, but I believe it displays perhaps a cultural respect for elders that is more prominent in Carribbean cultures. I'm not attempting to generalise, just telling a wee story.


Edited to add: I dislike my actions being placed in the light of my boyfriend's feelings. Whilst I understand that he may feel protective of me, my main concern when I'm travelling alone at night is my personal safety as it is important to me, not to what Kovacs might be thinking. You may not have meant it this way, but I felt it a little patronising.

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Why does nobody black ever post on TMO?

Interesting question.

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Originally posted by Black Mask:
You consistently refer to eye-rolling, tea-cosy-wearing, tooth-sucking, knife-wielding, baggy-trousered, predatory Black men

I only referred to the baggy trousers and tea cosies, old fruit. However, Kovacs did refer to

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...young men and women who seem to just loiter or swagger around with the intention of, in one way or another, intimidating other people: whether through actual violence, verbal abuse or just contemptuous teeth-sucking and deliberately taking up more room than they need on seats and pavements

I could see how you could get us both mixed up.

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They look like So Solid Crew. Which are a garage gang, sorry, - band - yes? And I very much doubt Kovacs would be comfortable if he thought you might be having to wait for a bus on a Saturday night.

Fair enough, I do think Modge feels a little complacent about being out at night; that's just my paranoid point of view.

How many times am I going to say "to be fair" or "fair enough" on this thread.

That's not really a point about black culture though. If you'd said that rough-looking white lads hang out at this bus station, I'd be at least as unhappy with her hypothetically waiting about at midnight.

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Somali gangs have a vicious reputation in the area, often fighting with passers-by but mainly with other black gangs (like the garage gang). The fact that many of them have fixed smiles is therefore unfortunate. Liberian rebel leaders also smile a lot, as did Idi Amin. Your point?

Bogus. I believe you're now saying they have "fixed smiles" from knife wounding. If this was your original point, you know very well it wasn't made clear by your description of them "grinning". You are twisting and, I won't say squirming, but evading, a fair bit in this Bus Station theory.

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However, Kovacs did refer to

Bad form to make out I was the source of the black stereotypes BM is picking up on. After that passage you quote, I said I didn't know if it was accurate to refer to this social group as representing "black culture". True, the teeth-sucking is something that seems to some uniquely from (some form of) black convention, but I did question whether the style of aggressive youth behaviour I was talking about can be regarded as exclusively black.

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And Rick.

Are you insinuating that I'm a negro?
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I only referred to the baggy trousers and tea cosies

Tonight, maybe. This sort of coy denial is exactly what I mean. Everytime you comment on black people at any length you can't help but make derisory or denigrating remarks. You do it all the time. You don't realise because you are a racist.

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Originally posted by kovacs:
FI believe you're now saying they have "fixed smiles" from knife wounding. If this was your original point, you know very well it wasn't made clear by your description of them "grinning".

No, no, no old fellow. Many of them have this fixed grin. Tis true! And some have large rabbitty teeth, to boot. I don't know if these grins are attributed to knife wounding, as I don't particularly wish to get close enough to look.

Maybe the both of you should join Nightowl and I for a drink in Harrow; after the usual routine of dinner and drinks, we could leave the girls at home with a movie, while both of us could engage in a bit of anthropological observation and study. You'll need a pair of binoculars, though.

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Tonight, maybe. This sort of coy denial is exactly what I mean. Everytime you comment on black people at any length you can't help but make derisory or denigrating remarks. You do it all the time. You don't realise because you are a racist.

To be fair BM, whenever I use such terms, it is usually when discussing black youth culture. I very much doubt I'd refer to teeth-sucking, tea cosies and Audi TTs if I was talking about a diplomat from Ghana.

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we could leave the girls at home with a movie,

Either I didnt edit my other post quickly enough, or you are deliberately trying to rile me.


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Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
No, no, no old fellow. Many of them have this fixed grin. Tis true! And some have large rabbitty teeth, to boot. I don't know if these grins are attributed to knife wounding,

Sorry, you lost me on one of your twists. I misread what you were, indeed, coyly implying.

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Maybe the both of you should join Nightowl and I for a drink in Harrow; after the usual routine of dinner and drinks, we could leave the girls at home with a movie, while both of us could engage in a bit of anthropological observation and study. You'll need a pair of binoculars, though.



Dude...that's kind of sick. Next you'll be suggesting getting out an air rifle with telescopic sight.

Serious question

1. Is it more honourable to be a racist and admit it than to harbour racist views but avoid confessing to them?

2. If someone said outright on here, "yes I am a racist", would that be, or become accepted at all? Would the candour even be respected?

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