It's the rant about speed cameras, I used to think that it was a risk you took, but hearing about others opinions about being selfish when you speed, I guess I have no defense about it. I ride a motorbike and I guess I am more likely to be killed if I hit something at speed. The upshot of this being, I have started riding to the speed limits, I get there about 1 min later, but its hardly worth dying over, is it?
So has something on TMO changed your opinion?
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I watched one of those World's Scariest Police Chases things the other night. Normally, they show some idiot driving his lil ol' pick up into some bins or something and they go, "luckily, no one was hurt on this occasion." Thing is, this time they showed a couple speeding along in their stolen lil ol' pick up and they jumped a red light. As they were crossing the junction this fucking massive ol' rig came fucking flying across from the left and completely and totally took out the pick up truck. It was a proper moment. Then they showed it again, in slow motion. There was no way that anyone got out of that pick up truck. In fact, they probably just dug a hole right there and dropped it in. And they didn't say, "luckily, no one was hurt on this occasion." I listened very carefully for that.
TMO has changed my opinion on the importance of making any sense whatsoever when you post. Just ramble on, no one cares.
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TMO has totally shattered my confidence in my ability to write, if that's the sort of thing you mean. It's actually quite painful to admit, but there you have it.
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I met more nice blokes who already have girlfriends- great!
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TMO made me expect too much of normal real life people. (3 friends left and counting.)
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Well at first it gave me the confidence to actually express my opinions and form more open minded ones in the process, plus I met some very interesting and lovely people.
Now that has to be balanced by the fear of getting laughed at because I still can't make my points clearly enough and if I do, I can still get flamed to within an inch of my life. Maybe that's a good thing too, if you look at it right.
I'll ask again even though you ignore me, but Thorn, I would love to read the rest of 'Like this with the Devil' if you have more. I really enjoyed it and only have up to chapter seven. You can read some of my geekfic if you wanna swap.
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quote:Originally posted by Kellifer: I'll ask again even though you ignore me, but Thorn, I would love to read the rest of 'Like this with the Devil' if you have more. I really enjoyed it and only have up to chapter seven.
Sorry - it's out of circulation since I re-read it a couple of months ago and decided it was "shit". At the moment I'm trying to decide between a total re-write, and just giving up on such laughable aspirations.
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quote:Originally posted by Kellifer: Thorn, I would love to read the rest of 'Like this with the Devil' if you have more.
Yeah, and me. That was class. Don't tell me a few random halfwits on a messageboard have somehow made you think you can't write. How did that work?
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Disco and Thorn - you pair of fucks have destroyed my confidence that any props I or anyone with taste might ever give are worth a pared god-damn. :mda:
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quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: I met more nice blokes who already have girlfriends- great!
I totally hear you on that one, girlfriend! *insert chicken head bob movement <--- here* However, I have since discovered a site FULL of menz with no girlfriends. I had lots of emails, then 3 dates with different people, then 3 dates with dirty K, all for the princely sum of £4.95. Perhaps you should try that. Or of course, you could just get back together with Thorn.
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Thanks for not ignoring me anyway.
I know how you feel, I can rarely read anything I've written and not think, 'damn I should have done better with that.' Maybe it would work better with fresh eyes a few months on, or maybe you should start something new and go back to it. Dang and I liked it, and you're a perfectionist so maybe you should let some discerning customers give their feedback... or we could all fuck off. The offer is there.
I honestly thought it was really good and it made me feel incredibly inferior when I first read it, so it can't all be bad! You're a writer whether you like it or not, don't give up.
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quote:Originally posted by dang65: Don't tell me a few random halfwits on a messageboard have somehow made you think you can't write. How did that work?
I don't know. This is going to sound really self-pitying, and I don't mean for it to but these are my genuine feelings on the matter. Since, you ask I suppose it's a number of things. Until TMO, I felt I was pretty much the best person at writing among my peers, even when I was doing creative writing courses at university I found it an encouraging and engaging atmosphere rather than a brutally intimidating one. Arriving here, I dunno. It just seemed like there were immediately at least 10 people more articulate, amusing, imaginative and skilled than me - and that was just in a tiny corner of the internet. There are specific events, too. When I mentioned about applying for a job at Kerrang! and then London posted saying that she'd just been asked to do freelance by the guy that actually got the job, that sort of thing. O and comments like "Yes but you write shit" at meats. That kind of thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Put This In Your Pipe and Smoke It: Do you think we can segregate off everyone who works in media from everyone who works in technology?
That would just leave me shivering and alone in the middle.
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Arriving here, I dunno. It just seemed like there were immediately at least 10 people more articulate, amusing, imaginative and skilled than me - and that was just in a tiny corner of the internet.
I know what you mean, but it's always the combination that's the deciding factor. I mean, we probably all know at least one person in real life that's funnier than, say, Paul Merton or Phil Jupitus or those like. And we all know people who can think at a fantastic tangent. And others that can write with discipline and determination. But there's very few that will combine it all and spend months and years doing stand-up, or writing sketches, or short stories until they finally get somewhere.
I doubt if many people here have had more than a letter to a magazine actually published, for example. That's because they aren't disciplined and skilled enough to write anything consistent and structured, not because they don't have great ideas which they can chuck into a post on here and make themselves look good. It's like if someone walks into a music shop and pick up a guitar and runs off a few licks and you go, "Wow! Wish I was that good." But they probably only know those bits and couldn't play along with anyone else even if you paid them.
So, there's people here that come up with some great stuff of course, or we wouldn't all come here to read it every day, but it doesn't mean that you can't do it much better on another level with your genuine experience and training and discipline - even if you put yourself down by saying you're just re-writing press releases or whatever.
Anyway, you don't want some asshole patronising you. I'm just chucking in some old nonsense to keep my post count up.
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: That would just leave me shivering and alone in the middle.
at least you're in the middle, i'd be cast adrift on the edges of TMO. not really knowing which way to go, pointlessly rambling on about music and getting ever more like a man with mental health problems.
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thorn, may i tentatively suggest that your lack of belief in your own writing may actually have nothing to do with the collective talents of the rest of tmo (although they are legion), but has slightly more to do with the fact that you give every impression of hating your life and your self? the problem isnt tmo, and how fucking talented we all are, but the fact that its a lot easier to say 'i cant do this, ill never be as talented as poster a/ poster b/ helen back, i might as well give up and sit in a morass of my own self-loathing for the next seven decades' than it is to do anything about changing your life and/or your perspective on it. its like looking in a mirror- tmo tells you what you want to believe. the fact that this thread is the second occasion today when youve been told- completely unprompted- that youre a talented writer doesnt really matter, no?
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: That would just leave me shivering and alone in the middle.
In that case it would leave me totally beyond the pale.
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quote:Originally posted by discodamage: the problem isnt tmo, and how fucking talented we all are, but the fact that its a lot easier to say 'i cant do this, ill never be as talented as poster a/ poster b/ helen back, i might as well give up and sit in a morass of my own self-loathing for the next seven decades' than it is to do anything about changing your life and/or your perspective on it. its like looking in a mirror- tmo tells you what you want to believe. the fact that this thread is the second occasion today when youve been told- completely unprompted- that youre a talented writer doesnt really matter, no?
Maybe... but a second ago you were agreeing with me - and a few other people seem to feel the same way, too. I didn't really mean for this to just be me whining and fishing for compliments but I don't think it's the case that I'm using TMO as an excuse for inaction; after all I have around 60,000 words of a manuscript that taken time and willpower to produce in my spare time. I do however, look at it and think that it's pretty third string stuff and if people here read it off the shelf, without knowing me, it'd probably be commented on with derision and scorn. It is something that's developed over the last two years and I don't see it can be a total coincidence that it's also the first time I've come into contact with a community that can - in my eyes - not only match me, but totally write me into the ground. Maybe it's one of those things that forces you to aspire to raise your game, but who knows. I can only call it as I see it.
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I think it's a bit unfair to say this is time for an Anthony Robbins moment. It's natural that wherever you go, you'll find someone better than you at something or other. I've got a whole bunch of good skills, and I don't write Harley, so I'm not that fussed. Thorn, although this may be what you pride yourself on, I'm sure you've got a whole bunch of other good skills. Such as taste in metal music, computer games or pornography. Though I can only vouch for the first two, I suspect the third is also the case.
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quote:Originally posted by ben: Disco and Thorn - you pair of fucks have destroyed my confidence that any props I or anyone with taste might ever give are worth a pared god-damn. :mda:
quote:Originally posted by Thorn and Distatusquo: lalala werenot lissening boohoo woe is us
I fucking meant this you shits. People like me are forever bigging you fuckers and your writing up but OHNO rather than using the flush of pleasure one might have hoped would result to fling yourselves back at the keyboard and create anew you just sit there, sucking up the praise like a pair of MiseryDysons then tipping it out the dusty residue onto threads like this.
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Maybe... but a second ago you were agreeing with me -
yeah absolutely i was agreeing with you. because since january ive been using tmo as a mirror for and confirmation of my own insecurities and self-hatreds, and as an excuse to sit stewing in a morass of my own self-loathing for the next seven decades.
not doing that any more. its pointless and wack and a waste of talent. im typing a colossal amount of shit, i dont honestly give a fuck whether its any good or not any more, unless it makes me laugh and then im happy, or someone else laugh (much rarer). im tired of seeing this place or any other as a fucking ARENA. i come here because im bored and underemployed, ive got sweet fingerfuck all else to do, and occasionally its somewhere i really enjoy writing. im tired of thinking, oh, louche got more props in february than i did the whole of this year, i must be the thinking gay's gaylord. im just gonna write. its not a contest, this isnt the bloomsbury set, its all bullshit. and yeah some of the most vaunted names on this board might be better than writers than me but im sure as shit that some of them arent. you know what you need thorn? you need a good old shot of overweaning arrogance and disgusting belief in your own abilities. mine went lost, but it came back YAY!
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yeah well raise your game then. start something new, carry on with it, savage it and put it back together, wipe you arse on it and take up watercolours. but dont use the 'talents' of tmo as an excuse to give up. thats goddamncoochieeatingpussyassbehaviour.
and ben- i missed your earlier post. fwiw youre in my artist's way top 3 most confidence imbuing people on the face of the earth so shut yaw facking mahhffff.
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quote:Originally posted by Put This In Your Pipe and Smoke It: Do you think we can segregate off everyone who works in media from everyone who works in technology?
That would just leave me shivering and alone in the middle.
We could huddle up to keep warm, Thorn - you wouldn't be alone.
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Things that TMO has given me, where to start? In recent times it has introduced me to some fantastic bands who I'd never heard of/listened to before, such as Stromkern and Paradise Lost to name a couple, so Aby and Thorn thank you both most sincerely, as well as introducing me to some great music, you also inspired me to investigate other bands and as such aquire a rapidly growing collection of music that I love.
TMO has also introduced me to Asian cinema (well mostly Dr Benway has but the point stands), if it hadn't been for TMO I might never have discovered the likes of Kitano, Miike and Fukasaki, and that would make me very sad.
The other major thing that TMO has given me, gay as it'll sound, is the chance to meet a number of people I consider myself very lucky to count as friends. When I moved down to this part of the country at the end of last year, I was lonely and homesick, if it hadn't been for the friendship of many people on here I can honestly say I doubt whether I'd have stuck it out, I'd have run back home to the comfortable tedium of my home city, and I'd have missed out on a hell of a lot, most of you will know who you are, and you have my eternal gratitude.
So Thorn, before you carry on beating yourself up about whether you'll ever make the bestseller list, just know that for what it's worth your friendship amongst others has made a huge difference to me, so give yourself a break, you're a much nicer guy than you ever seem to give yourself credit for.
Also I'll tell you now what I told you once before, by even writing what you've written, no matter whether you think it comes up to scratch, by displaying the commitment and self-discipline to actually write that amount, you've already elevated yourself above the vast majority of the wannabe authors out there - those who give up after the first chapter, those who have ideas aplenty but never have the courage or ability to turn them into actual prose, and those who just sit there thinking 'I could do that, but I can't be bothered/haven't got the time/have better things to do'. And fwiw that elevates you in my estimation a hell of a lot.
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