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Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Hello!

Will you be watching? Celebrating?

Obama. Good thing? Bad thing?

Hopes? Fears?

Post?
 
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
 
Whether he's a good guy or not, it's amazing how many apparently normal people are so excited about this Great Day For Freedom, or whatever they're calling it.

I mean, you wonder exactly what the guy is being expected to do. Bring world peace? Not even Jesus managed that. Save us all from financial crisis? Where would the money come from to do that? Just save the USA and don't worry about everyone else? America is in way too deep to be able to cut itself off.

I can't really see anything changing at all, except he might not go out and start any new wars, for a couple of months anyway.

Feelgood factors only last for a few days, then it'll just be back to the usual bogged down politics, reinterpretation of election promises, over-the-top foreign policy and disillusionment.

I don't think that's Obama's fault or anything. It's just the way it is.

But it'll be nice to wave goodbye to GWB. That should be the big celebration today.
 
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
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quote:
President Obama,

You should not smoke when you are president! There are simple reasons. Because you will die by smoking, and then you will not be president! But I want you to be.

Your No. 1 fan,

David Lopez, age 7
Los Angeles

Does this kid know something?

quote:
Dear Obama family,

When you move into the White House, turn on the heater so it won't be cold. You could also take hot baths in your new antique bathtubs. Or you could make hot tea and coffee. When I moved to a new house, I helped my dad. He took apart a chair and I carried pieces of it. If I were your helper when you move in, I could move everything! Have a nice day being the first family.

Nazrawit Dessie, age 7
Seattle

Financial crisis over:

quote:
Dear President Obama,

If I want anybody to be president, it's me. I would clean the streets and give myself more money. I would also give everybody a piece of a Reese's candy. Every homeless guy or girl would get $50 for help and a place to sleep for the winter. My family and other families would get free gas for our cars; single people with no kids would have to pay. The money would come from copying other bills. The $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100 bills would be copied one thousand times.

The paper would not come from trees but from hardened glue. The way to make it is by mixing water and glue together so that it looks like paper. You then put it in a fire, then let it cool in the freezer.

Weslie Jackson, age 12
Chicago



[ 20.01.2009, 04:32: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
 
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
 
Did he make his historic journey to the White House, on a historic train. Did he walk historically up the steps and open the door in an historic manner, before walking down the corridor, going into the guest toilet and taking an historic shit? Truly this is a historic day for The World.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dang65:
I can't really see anything changing at all,

Why not? Do you not think that there was substantial, identifiable change from when Dubya took over from Clinton (for example environmental policy, foreign policy and a move from financial surplus to deficit)? And for that matter a big change from Reagan/Bush to Clinton? Given past form surely it's more likely that a shift in political party will make a difference. If the opposition moves in to the white house and nothing changes that would be unprecedented.

To be honest, there's an argument to be had that things are already different, just because of the atmosphere of hope. Froopyscot wrote quite a passionate post upon the democrat victory about how it no longer felt like questioning the actions of the government labelled you an unamerican traitor, which even on its own sounds like a shift in the national consciousness. Maybe you just meant "my taxes won't go down" or "the value of my house won't go up", but it already seems like it's made some difference to a lot of the people that live in America. I also think that Bush Pt. II became such a world-wide figure of hate that just getting him the fuck out of there is going to affect the way other countries deal view, and consequently deal with, America.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles:
Every homeless guy or girl would get $50 for help and a place to sleep for the winter. My family and other families would get free gas for our cars; single people with no kids would have to pay. The money would come from copying other bills. The $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100 bills would be copied one thousand times.

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Isn't this guy chancellor in Zimbabwe?
 
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
 
I've already bought the commemoration book of the inauguration. I'm also going to arrange to have Obama and his family freeze dried and vacuum packed so the history of the moment isn't ruined by aging and fucking it up.
 
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
 
I find that whenever there is some kind of mass historic event, I'm forced to try and ignore it, if only to defy the 'authority' that I falsely perceive. For example, there's a thing at work where people are watching this swearing in thing at 5pm tonight, together. While part of me would like to go to soak in the atmosphere and be seen to be normal, the more powerful urge is to reject it completely, simply on the basis that if I were to go, I'd be taking part and joining in. Basically accepting that I want to be a part of a social event, which in turn demonstrates something...that I can't define... that I feel compelled to resist. Like it's demonstrating weakness or something. Maybe I (pathetically) like to think of myself as a lone wolf rather than a pack animal. Not sure. Perhaps it's a fear of being in a social situation that I can't control. Maybe I don't want to be seen to enjoy the company of crowds, and be a part of them. I certainly spend most gigs in a semi-fury as a result of all the other people around me. Just the sight of the back of somebody's head is enough to provoke anger. The backs of people's heads seem to embody a kind of lack of physical awareness, a sense that for everybody in the world, they are the centre of it, and they are only dimly aware of other people as being anything other than a set of parameters.


Anyway, this knee jerk anti-social tendency is probably the reason why I haven't had any real success in most areas of my life + personal development.

Sorry, anyway. I don't feel very excited about the swearing in, but it's hard not to have a slight sense of optimism.

[ 20.01.2009, 06:42: Message edited by: Kanye West ]
 
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kanye West:
the more powerful urge is to reject it completely, simply on the basis that if I were to go, I'd be taking part and joining in.

Maybe I (pathetically) like to think of myself as a long wolf rather than a pack animal.

Yeah, the irony there is that the majority of people feel the same way, but you'd never know because they all stay away. You're part of a huge pack of very discrete wolves.
 
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kanye West:
long wolf

Porn star name?
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
I see myself as less of a lone wolf figure and more of a hero/ leader. Consequently I enjoy crowds as they are necessary for providing the level of adulation and respect to which I am entitled.

[ 20.01.2009, 06:42: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
 
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
 
Have these wolves no sense of history? It's no wonder they've broadly died out in mainland Europe with that lack of appreciation for major Historical events. I'm currently enjoying a historic Pret a Manger black Americano, and have made careful note of everything that's happened around me in order to be able to fill in my unborn children as to every aspect of where I was on this, most historic, of Historic days.
 
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
 
I suppose that both the hero and the lone wolf are superior positions to assume. I think that also I would like to be regarded with respect, to be celebrated even, but the problem is that this requires constant public performance, something that I'm not good at. The lone wolf - the rejection of the social - is just a response to this dilemma.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Our system of monarchy is racist, apparently.
What a stupid argument.
I can only assume he's drunk on cum.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Hello!

Hi!

quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Will you be watching?

No.

quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Celebrating?

No.

quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Obama. Good thing? Bad thing?

Hard to say at this time.

quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Hopes?

That he doesn't get shot and killed.

quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Fears?

That he'll get shot and killed.
 
Posted by Samuelnorton (Member # 48) on :
 
Loads of clowns who had never voted before signed up and ran out to the polling stations to cast their vote for no other reason than because this guy iz blacke. Or sort of blacke.

These people seem to think that Obama will has magicke blacke wand and half blacke unemployment, reduce the number of blacke people on death row, and make basketball the national sport. Or something.

When they realise this educated, cosmopolitan member of the Washington liberal elite has less in common with them than even George W. Bush, the fantasy will come to a sudden end.

"But I tort da brotha Barack wuz gonna git ma nigger off from death row..." Doh.

Meanwhile, Obama will be pushed and pulled around by the hidden hands that really moves American politics, and will be no different from his predecessors - no matter how hard he may try.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Interesting takes there, from either end of the moron spectrum.
 
Posted by Samuelnorton (Member # 48) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Interesting takes there, from either end of the moron spectrum.

No need to be insulting, mask. You just need to see all those interviews of southern black people to see that they truly believe that Barack Hussein is some sort of magician who can solve all their ills.

And that somehow he is like them.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
"But I tort da brotha Barack wuz gonna git ma nigger off from death row..." Doh.

lol @ snorton mocking black literacy after posting this mangled nonsense...

quote:
These people seem to think that Obama will has magicke blacke wand and half blacke unemployment
Even discounting deliberate errors like blacke, that's pretty poor. Half/halve. Words missing. What's that 'has' doing in there? What's this cretin with the writing skills of a child doing mocking the way other people speak? A dreadful mess.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
No need to be insulting, mask.

It somehow makes him feel better, snorton. He's empty inside. Just ignore him.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
Barack Hussein is some sort of magician who can solve all their ills.

If you're going to deploy cliche, at least try not to mix and match. 'Heal all their ills', or 'solve all their problems'. You wouldn't ask someone to "heal a problem", would you? Come to think of it you might.

[ 20.01.2009, 09:22: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
It's best to get these things sorted before you mock other people's modes of speech.
 
Posted by Samuelnorton (Member # 48) on :
 
Too fink eye hadd reesently tryed too bee nys too u, Thorne.
 
Posted by Samuelnorton (Member # 48) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
If you're going to deploy cliche, at least try not to mix and match. 'Heal all their ills', or 'solve all their problems'.

Well, one could argue that you are just as wrong as I am Thorn. "Heal all their wounds" would be more accurate here. On reflection, if I had decided to not tap away for ninety seconds and then hit "Add Reply" I would have edited me comment to "cure all their ills".

Though I think we are digressing a little here.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
I suppose the difference is that I'm not hilariously parodying the supposed speech patterns of black America even as I put the language through a threshing machine all of my own.
 
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
 
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Surely hanging names around their necks is making it too easy for the potential arsearsein.

But wait, something doesn't look quite right about them...

[ 20.01.2009, 09:42: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
 
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
 
I'll be watching as much as I'm able, between meetings. The company IT group sent out a note yesterday evening admonishing everyone against watching the inauguration online for fear of taking down the company's network, so watching live at my desk is officially not going to happen.

It looks like I'm going to be able to steal a wifi signal from the hotel across the street and watch it on my phone. Yay for me.

As for celebrating? This morning I had a bit of a chuckle at the expense of a yahoo in a pickup truck which was plastered with McCain-Palin stickers. True to form, he was driving slowly and holding up traffic. Not really celebration, though. Mild gloating perhaps.

But I do think that a change in administration can make a difference. I think the statements already made by numerous foreign heads of state speak to that fact, there's a feeling that after eight years of bullheadedness, Washington may finally be willing to act as a diplomatic partner rather than a cowboy dictator. And that's to our benefit here also: acting like a global bully gets us absolutely nowhere.

[ 20.01.2009, 10:25: Message edited by: froopyscot ]
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
That invocation was appalling. What an arsehole.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
He's in!

That was a great speech. He seems like a good man, let's hope he doesn't fuck up.
 
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
 
Why do Americans always bang on about "Freedom" though, as if they are the only place that has it? I'm in Germany at the moment and there's loads of Freedom here.

Fair enough, I can't think of any other examples, but there probably are some.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Joe Lowery's benediction was bangin'! I guess the faithful don't have to be arseholes, after all.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dang65:
Why do Americans always bang on about "Freedom" though, as if they are the only place that has it? I'm in Germany at the moment and there's loads of Freedom here.

Because we have the freedom to purchase firearms. Go ahead...try that in your so-called free Germany...
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dang65:
Why do Americans always bang on about "Freedom" though,

Well, it's sort of a basic principle, isn't it? The first settlers, the revolution, Independence, the Constitution, civil war, civil rights... all their key moments have been about freedom.
 
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
 
it's one of George Michaels best songs.
 
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
Too fink eye hadd reesently tryed too bee nys too u, Thorne.

To be fair, you vehemently declared that if Thorn had AIDs you would 'larf' so don't expect the Dennis the Menace and Gnasher fan club members to turn in their badges yet.
 
Posted by Tilde (Member # 1215) on :
 
fuck that.

[ 21.01.2009, 05:08: Message edited by: Tilde ]
 
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
quote:
Originally posted by dang65:
Why do Americans always bang on about "Freedom" though, as if they are the only place that has it? I'm in Germany at the moment and there's loads of Freedom here.

Because we have the freedom to purchase firearms. Go ahead...try that in your so-called free Germany...
Yeah, that's true. We don't have the freedom to electrocute people to death either, or inject them with lethal chemicals.

In places like Somalia and Saudi Arabia and that, they have the freedom to stone people to death as well. It's just not fair.
 
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
quote:
Originally posted by dang65:
Why do Americans always bang on about "Freedom" though,

Well, it's sort of a basic principle, isn't it? The first settlers, the revolution, Independence, the Constitution, civil war, civil rights... all their key moments have been about freedom.
That applies to quite a lot of other places too though, doesn't it? I suppose we go on about it quite a lot in Britain as well (bla bla Magna Carter, bla bla House of Commons, bla bla Battle of Britain), though in recent years we seem to have had a change of policy and decided that you can have too much of a good thing, especially if you is forren.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dang65:
Yeah, that's true. We don't have the freedom to electrocute people to death either, or inject them with lethal chemicals.

Pity. No, what you have is the freedom to incarcerate scum of the earth murderers and get the added bonus of having to pay for it with your own hard-earned money.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
ralph, you're SO dull.
 
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
No, what you have is the freedom to incarcerate scum of the earth murderers and get the added bonus of having to pay for it with your own hard-earned money.

It costs more to the tax payer to put a prisoner to death than it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their life.
 
Posted by Octavia (Member # 398) on :
 
It must be nice for 'Merkans not to have a president who's personally agreed to the executions of over 200 people.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cherry In Hove:
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
No, what you have is the freedom to incarcerate scum of the earth murderers and get the added bonus of having to pay for it with your own hard-earned money.

It costs more to the tax payer to put a prisoner to death than it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their life.
lol. no, it doesn't.
 
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
 
Yes it does

quote:
Yet the administration of capital punishment is actually much more expensive than life imprisonment. From 1977-1988, Florida spent 57 million dollars executing 18 prisoners, an average cost of 3.2 million dollars, as opposed to 500,000 dollars to put someone in jail for life. Studies in New York, Maryland, Colorado, North Carolina and Kansas have all found capital punishment to be more expensive than its alternative punishment

 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
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[ 21.01.2009, 09:48: Message edited by: ralph ]
 
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
 
It's got nothing to do with money anyway. It's all about Freedom. I'm sure that killing them all is worth every last goddamned cent.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
Precisely. If you take someones life you should expect to forfeit your own. End of story.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
Precisely. If you take someones life you should expect to forfeit your own. End of story.

Do you think a soldier who shoots an enemy deserves the death sentence?
 
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
 
We've had three great examples here in the UK of the basic problem inherent in the death penalty (IT'S FINALITY) -
Barry George
John Marcus Roberts
and that fella who got released on DNA evidence recently.

Basically the police are often at best shit, at worst, corrupt and until they're perfect we shouldn't have the death penalty. So never then.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
Precisely. If you take someones life you should expect to forfeit your own. End of story.

Do you think a soldier who shoots an enemy deserves the death sentence?
Apples and oranges dude.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
It's not 'end of story' is it, if in some situations it's acceptable, dutiful or even heroic to take a life.

[ 21.01.2009, 10:36: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Killing people is wrong.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Unless the person being killed is ralph.

In that case, fill your boots.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Killing people is wrong.

lol. I hope you remember that when someones trying to kill you.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Killing people is wrong.

What about if it's bad people? You know - like terrorists, or the bloated children of Satan populating the Western World whose very existence is an affront to Allah? Is it wrong to kill jocks? Or child molestors? Or a woman who's been leading you on all night like a filthy slut only to turn frigid out here in the car park with no-one around? Is killing 'wrong' in these circumstances? Eh?
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
In all other cases, though, killing people is wrong. Certain circumstances may lend specific killings the sheen of heroism or duty or justice, but fundamentally killing people is wrong.
 
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Killing people is wrong.

lol. I hope you remember that when someones trying to kill you.
Hang on... I thought you said that if you kill someone your own life is forfeit end of story ... so ... I don't understand what point you're trying to make to Black Mask here?
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
Hang on... I thought you said that if you kill someone your own life is forfeit end of story ... so ... I don't understand what point you're trying to make to Black Mask here?

If you kill someone in self defense that's ok...but I'm hoping (praying, really) that BM doesn't agree and just lets his attacker kill him without fighting back.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
Hang on... I thought you said that if you kill someone your own life is forfeit end of story ... so ... I don't understand what point you're trying to make to Black Mask here?

If you kill someone in self defense that's ok...but I'm hoping (praying, really) that BM doesn't agree and just lets his attacker kill him without fighting back.
So... self-defence has to culminate in murder?
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
Where on Earth did I say that? I'm just hoping that you'll not fight back just in case you accidentally might kill someone.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
Hang on... I thought you said that if you kill someone your own life is forfeit end of story ... so ... I don't understand what point you're trying to make to Black Mask here?

If you kill someone in self defense that's ok...but I'm hoping (praying, really) that BM doesn't agree and just lets his attacker kill him without fighting back.
Or... if you think killing's wrong you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself if someone tries to kill you?

That's quite a skill you've got there, ralph. You can say something spectacularly stupid, then explain yourself and make what you said in the first place sound even stupider.

[ 21.01.2009, 11:12: Message edited by: Black Mask ]
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Black Mask:
Or... if you think killing's wrong you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself is someone tries to kill you?

No no no. I'm saying you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself if someone tries to kill you. The rest of us are free to do so.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
Where on Earth did I say that? I'm just hoping that you'll not fight back just in case you accidentally might kill someone.

ralph, you are a complete fucking idiot. Your mere existence is an obscenity.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
right back atcha, dh.
 
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
 
yet again Ralph flounders on the rocks of logic, like a vast, bloated, insane whale that's swum too near the shores of sanity.

[ 21.01.2009, 11:17: Message edited by: McDirts ]
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
right back atcha, dh.

Yet another example of your devastating ripostes.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
I've yet to see a single one from you...so that puts me in the lead...
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
Is English ralph's first language?
 
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
 
Cut him some slack BM, language isn't Ralph's primary means of communication
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
I can't address ralph directly for too long, I start to feel like... one of those Jewish trustees who were made to feed the furnaces at the death-camps.
 
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
 
That's an analogy by the way, ralph. With Jews = wit and ralph = Nazis.
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
 
All this direct contact with you is making me wish someone would shove me in a nice hot oven.

waits for norton
 
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
 
[norton/] well, ask yourself this, what did they do to deserve being murdered en mass and burnt in industrial size ovens? Eh? That's something the history books never talk about isn't it? And why? Because the Jews control the History Books, that's why.[/norton]
 
Posted by Amy (Member # 11) on :
 
well, I'm pleased Obama is finally in office and the simpleton is gone. The husband and I thought about going to the Plough for free beer and to join in with the celebrating, but couldn't be bothered really. Sounds horrible, but it was freezing and I've been in loads of pain recently. So, eh. But Bush is no longer president, yay!
 
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
 
Excellent advert here

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Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
 
That's just so Australian - still made me chuckle
 
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by McDirts:
[norton/] well, ask yourself this, what did they do to deserve being murdered en mass and burnt in industrial size ovens? Eh? That's something the history books never talk about isn't it? And why? Because the Jews control the History Books, that's why.[/norton]

lol, just one run-in and you've got his personality sussed.
 


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