quote:Only one scene has ever changed the world – Merseybeat.
The post-austerity Britain of the 60's is heralded as a golden age when skirts got shorter, love got free-er and the world danced to Britain's beat. At the centre of the world was Liverpool and four mop-topped Scousers who had emerged from the Cavern Club to change music for ever.
Yet, the reason why you should vote Liverpool the Most Musical City is about more than just John, Paul, George and Ringo. Yes, the Beatles are as famous today as when they split up almost 40 years ago, but there's much more to Liverpool's music scene which continues to consistently produce innovative artists who retain the intrinsic character of the city.
Gerry and the Pacemakers, The Searchers and Cilla Black all played a part in making the 60's swing before Liverpool artists cleverly avoided the decade that music forgot – the 70's. Instead Scouse tunesmiths retired to think again, emerging from Eric's Nightclub in the form of Echo and the Bunnymen, the Mighty Wah!, The Teardrop Explodes and to ruffle the feathers of Radio One with Frankie Goes to Hollywood.
The 1990's saw more perfect pop from The Farm, The Boo Radleys, Cast, Space and The La's whose 'There She Goes' remains a timeless classic and a must have for the soundtrack of any romantic comedy. With The Zutons, The Coral and Candie Payne as chart favourites, the Mersey Sound remains, ably supported by a classical music history with The Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, one of the oldest concert-giving organisations in the world, at its heart.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
How the fuck did Merseybeat change the world?!
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Christ, that's so wrong it is hurting me inside.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
I think they had to give it to Liverpool or they'd never have fucking shut up about it. The Beatles trump everyone else anyway, and at least they actually did come from Liverpool. Most the famous "Manchester" bands actually come from places like Wigan, Salford, Warrington, Macclesfield and even Wilmslow (if you include Doves as a band). Same applies to London.
Sheffield have quite a few famous bands, but I can't stand a single fucking one of them (except Pulp).
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Liverpool, though, dang. Liverpool.
Rather London than Liverpool, and I don't say that lightly.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
I'd have given it to Birmingham, just for Black Sabbath and The Move.
Posted by MKandy (Member # 790) on :
I knew it was going to be Liverpool before i even looked at the link.
Milton Keynes is the most musical wannabe city. That is if you call sirens, screeching tyres and yoots stabbing each other music, infact i think that's more commonly referred to as UK Hippy Hop.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
'The End of the Road Festival in Dorset'. Has there ever been a bleaker sounding event?
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: 'The End of the Road Festival in Dorset'. Has there ever been a bleaker sounding event?
What a great way to start your career.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: 'The End of the Road Festival in Dorset'. Has there ever been a bleaker sounding event?
I'd go to that.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
It seems a bit heavy on the altcountry and quirky yanks.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
I bet it's still better than going to Liverpool.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Louche: I bet it's still better than going to Liverpool.
Snipping off your own prolapsed colon with a pair of nail scissors is better than going to Liverpool.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Eating three day old dog vomit is better than going to Liverpool.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Both of those comments are absurd. I've been to Liverpool a few times and it was alright. Not amazing, but I had a few drinks, saw my friend, had some sex and went to a rock club that played a few tunes that were quite good. Some pleasant weekends and altogether unquestionably better than performing lasting damage to your rectum in a painful and pointless moment of self surgery, or risking a serious, possibly fatal gastric infection by eating rotting, regurgitated raw meat. Ridiculous to the point where it robs the comparison of possible comedy, I'd have to say that if you were genuinely considering either of these in place of visiting Liverpool it would cast serious doubt on your sanity.
[ 17.06.2008, 09:08: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: if you were genuinely considering either of these
And by that I mean... either of DEE- Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
I went to Liverpool last week, actually. Rained.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Is it normal for an American person to refer to a black person as an "African American", even if the person in question was born in Africa, lives in Africa and has in fact never left the aforementioned contintent?
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Is it normal for an American person to refer to a black person as an "African American", even if the person in question was born in Africa, lives in Africa and has in fact never left the aforementioned contintent?
Sounds like they're flagging them as a future slave.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
That might not be entirely relevent to the thread, I'm not sure.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Is it normal for an American person to refer to a black person as an "African American", even if the person in question was born in Africa, lives in Africa and has in fact never left the aforementioned continent?
Why aren't white Americans called "European Americans" all the time? Especially as most the "African Americans" have far more generations in America than the massive influx of noob European Americans from the 1900s and that.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: Sounds like they're flagging them as a future slave.
Perhaps they've found oil there, and are planning a liberation?
One of my colleagues just said that 'we' should nuke Iran because our petrol is too expensive. His next sentence: "We should take out Mecca, too... while we're at it."
Not a bingo fan then.
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
eh, eh, Liverpool, Liverpool, eh, eh, lah, we invented music we did, and we love a laff, we love a laff and a sing song, and we're victims, we're victims we are, Manchester, with it's Manchester prices and Manchester wages, they get everything they do, no one thinks of Liverpool, lah. Eh, eh, we're so secure that our city is an important and relevant city for the new European age that instead of calling our airport Liverpool Airport, we've called it John Lennon Airport, lah, just in case you didn't know - the Beatles came from Liverpool Lah. Oh, we've done other stuff, ermmm,we were massive during the slave trade. We once held the record for most numbers of murders per capita ehhhm, d'you wanna buy some batteries? Razors? Look out, lah, it's der bizzies!!
Birmingham is a far, far better city than Liverpool will ever be,
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
I think it's a good thing OJ has forgotten her password.
Three attempts to make this post. Three fucking attempts.
[ 17.06.2008, 08:34: Message edited by: Louche ]
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Also, I'm a bit scared of posting these days in case one of my rubbishy one line exercises in pointlessness becomes the last post ever on TMO.
That would just be awful. The last post on TMO would have to be something vicious from Masky, or mournful from Benway or just plain aggressive toss speak from Thorn. Not me talking about Liverpool being crap.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
We went to Liverpool the other week to see the Ark Royal as Number One Son is joining the RN in a couple of weeks and wanted to see where he would be working.
Anyway, it happened to be Lord Mayor's Parade day as well, which we didn't realise before we went, and I counted fifteen different quartets of people dressed as Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and only three quartets dressed as Mop Tops. I glean from that observation that the psychedelic Beatles are held in higher regard amongst their own people than the Beatlemania Beatles. Just a heads up there for Beatles fans who don't want to cause offence during any planned visits to the city. Don't go as a Mop Top, that's all I'm saying.
Posted by Carter (Member # 426) on :
A friend of mine drives the Ark Royal.
And I went to school with someone who's Dad used to be in charge of it, before he became Marshal of the Diplomatic Corps.
So. Ark Royal. Expert by proxy!
Ask away.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
My uncle used to be in the navy on the Ark Royal. When I was about 7 or 8, for my birthday I had asked for an Airfix model of something -- you know, a Spitfire or a tank or something, to glue together shitly and paint in shit colours and generally be a bit disappointed by what a shit job I'd done, but at least I'd done it.
Bastard uncle sent me a metre-long Airfix kit of the Ark bloody Royal, with something like three thousand individual fiddly plastic bits. The twat.
My dad and I looked at it aghast (can you look at something aghast when you're 7?), and then laughed, and then we put it away in the back of a cupboard, and it was never seen again.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
Actually, there is one thing I'm not sure about. He's going in to train as an aircraft engineer on fixed wing fighters. On the TV at the moment they have a documentary about HMS Illustrious, which is another aircraft carrier or course, and that ship doesn't seem to have Harriers on board all the time. They fly out to the ship, do some exercises and muck about a bit, then fly off again.
From what I could make out, they also take their own engineers with them? Does this mean that an RN aircraft engineer wouldn't necessarily be on board an aircraft carrier most the time? (Unless they were an helicopter engineer.)
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Uncle lives in Weymouth. Is Weymouth any good? I'm going there in August, as uncle's son is getting married. If it's really good I might go down early and do some coastal walking or something. But I don't know if it's any good or not.
Is Weymouth 'good'?
Posted by Carter (Member # 426) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Actually, there is one thing I'm not sure about. He's going in to train as an aircraft engineer on fixed wing fighters. On the TV at the moment they have a documentary about HMS Illustrious, which is another aircraft carrier or course, and that ship doesn't seem to have Harriers on board all the time. They fly out to the ship, do some exercises and muck about a bit, then fly off again.
From what I could make out, they also take their own engineers with them? Does this mean that an RN aircraft engineer wouldn't necessarily be on board an aircraft carrier most the time? (Unless they were an helicopter engineer.)
I'm afraid you question covers neither the period 1984-1989, nor the topic of how much fun it is to scare the shit out of weekend sailors from Plymouth, so I can't help you.
If you're serious, I can probably find out though.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
He'll mostly be designing Airfix kits, Dang, I think.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carter: If you're serious, I can probably find out though.
Ah, right, I had pictured you leaning back in your leather chair, phone to your ear, short pause...
- Bridge, Cap'n speaking!
- Julian, hi. Carter here!
- Carter! How's the Old Man?
- Father's very well and sends regards from the Admiralty Club. But listen old boy... little bit of gen I was hoping you might provide...
etc. Don't tell me I'm wrong now.
Posted by Carter (Member # 426) on :
My chair is plastic.
I will ask my friend the driver note NOT Captain of the AR. Shortly.
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: Uncle lives in Weymouth. Is Weymouth any good? I'm going there in August, as uncle's son is getting married. If it's really good I might go down early and do some coastal walking or something. But I don't know if it's any good or not.
Is Weymouth 'good'?
Hey, I go to Weymouth a lot. My partner (and, I'm pleased to say, lover) is from there. Weymouth is scuffy and good in equal measure. It's a slightly low rent seaside town with all the trappings, it's got the stag do pub crawls to contend with but it's also got decent pubs like the Boot or the Sailors around the quayside to drink in. The coastal walks are brilliant, you've got Durdle Door just down the coast and all the wonderment of the jurassic coastline itself. There's fishing for mackerel to do just by the Nove and there's Portland to trudge around. I like Weymouth, I like Dorset generally. Not as twee as Devon.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Do you think it would be feasible to leave the car in Weymouth and just start walking along the coast all day, and then camp somewhere (near a pub), and then maybe do that again (walk along coast, spend night in pub), and then on the next day get a train or bus or something back to Weymouth?
Do you think that be a pleasant thing to do, in August, in good weather?
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
I don't see why not. I can think of one example immediately, on the way to Durdle Dor from Weymouth there's a decent enough pub called the Smugglers that's set in an attractive cove. I think a lot of pubs may well have no objection to taking a fiver of your money to let you pitch up for the night. There's also loads of camp sites along that coast line. Obviously you'd get away with pitching wild as well, but you may have to pitch up a bit further away from civilisation for that. Along that bit of coast and set in woodland there's Hardy's Monument, whose owner allows camping by it, although that's not near a pub. So yeah, I reckon that would be a really pleasant thing to do. In fact, I remember not so long ago, whilst drinking in the Boot we met two lads who were doing just that and having a great time doing it.
[ 17.06.2008, 11:59: Message edited by: McDirts ]
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Sounds grand, thanks!
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
Ahh, R08 - AKA Ark Royal - I knows a thing about this or two
My first interview when I left school was to be an Aircraft Artificer in the Fleet Air Arm - AKA an aircraft engineer in the RN - if son of Dang made it through the interview he did well (hardest Interview I ever had)
Now the thing is the British Fleet is being redesigned - with the decommosioning of the Harrier the RN is buying is the US built Joint Strike Fighter which is not VTOL (vertical take off-landing) but STOL (short....) - there is also a new contract to build two new aircraft carriers about the same size as the US Nimitz class (but with much fewer crew - automation and all that) - but also accomodating longer flight decks to accomodate the JSF (why they didn't adopt a variant of the eurofighter typhoon I do not know)......
Anyway I digressing, but Dang - son no.1 Is on for the career of his life, and I wish him well - great time to join, loads of the best toys to play with and as long as he stays with it he has not just a job, but a life he will be proud of.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
quote:Originally posted by Waynster: as long as he stays with it he has not just a job, but a life he will be proud of.
Does anyone else find this a bit weird? I know we probably need some armed forces of some kind, but there's the whole being a plaything of the politicians aspect to it that makes me think ewww, that's nothing to be proud of. Unless following orders and doing exactly what you're told, and doing it as well as you can, is more how I should look at it. I don't know.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I suppose it's the whole thing where you're prepared to defend everyone else's way of life while they slope around drinking Latte's, smoking cigarettes and complaining about how awful it is that the west keeps its boot on the throat of developing nations. You can argue, I suppose, that soldiers are the plaything of the government who unquestioningly do as they're told, but let's face it: so are the rest of us. We might grumble a bit on the way, but I'm sure the Forces are prone to bitching about assignments, maybe standing waist high in a swamp going "Maan, this is bullshit!". Not an effective protest, but then so is very little of what any of us do, and really we're as much part of the problem as any soldier would be. We're all contributing to the sum total of human misery in a colossal way when we buy cheap clothes, cheap cars, cheap computers and cheap food and I don't think a single one of us could really defend our lifestyles from a moral point of view in any convincing way. We all live lives of unprecedented luxury, which is paid for by the misery of others both ongoing and in the past, and we do it by unquestioning following of this kind of consumerist/ sybaritic indoctrination. Consequently, it seems a bit churlish to say "eww, soldiers follow orders eww" without realising that you do too and the consequences of your actions contribute to the suffering of others every day. At the very least, I suppose, soldiers are willing to die so that we can continue living like giant mollycoddled babies, whereas we ourselves probably wouldn't even give up TV even if it somehow meant an end to human human misery, everywhere. Plus there's the chance, I suppose, that you might bring stability or hope to a region whereas the absolute best any of the rest of us do is ask for a Fair Trade coffee at Cafe Nero, which probably isn't the right thing to do either.
[ 18.06.2008, 06:02: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Consequently, it seems a bit churlish to say "eww, soldiers follow orders eww" without realising that you do too and the consequences of your actions contribute to the suffering of others every day...
Yeah, I'm totally aware of that. And I agree with this:
quote:Plus there's the chance, I suppose, that you might bring stability or hope to a region whereas the absolute best any of the rest of us do is ask for a Fair Trade coffee at Cafe Nero, which probably isn't the right thing to do either.
which is why my "eww" was/is a bit woolly and probably doesn't stand up. I agree with you, basically. You put it more eloquently than I could, or could be arsed to.
[ 18.06.2008, 05:58: Message edited by: mart ]
Posted by Carter (Member # 426) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Latte's
For fuck's sake.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carter:
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Latte's
For fuck's sake.
Fuck! A typo! On the internet! And that was probably the only thing worth commenting on in that post, I guess. There's nothing else to really grab hold of is there. You know, I'm all for nitpicking grammar and all the rest of it, but it's probably best if it's not the sum total of your posting presence. Put some fucking effort in and then get your red pen out.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Thorn's post made a solitary tear escape my left eye. Now it's fogged up my glasses.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Also, you missed "keeps it's boot". What's the point in stepping in with the corrections if you can't even do it properly?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
You also missed:
quote: an end to human human misery
Thorn typed the same word twice, the fucking moron!
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
And it's Caffè Nero, not Cafe Nero.
Jesus... Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
That was deliberate. Human human misery as opposed to inhuman human misery or human inhuman misery or inhuman inhuman misery.
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Poor Thorn.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
So we're all agreed that it's okay to join the armed forces.
Posted by Carter (Member # 426) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
quote:Originally posted by Carter:
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Latte's
For fuck's sake.
Fuck! A typo! On the internet! And that was probably the only thing worth commenting on in that post, I guess. There's nothing else to really grab hold of is there. You know, I'm all for nitpicking grammar and all the rest of it, but it's probably best if it's not the sum total of your posting presence. Put some fucking effort in and then get your red pen out.
No!
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: So we're all agreed that it's okay to join the armed forces.
It's okay for other people to do, but it's not really my sort of thing. I did Friday afternoon cooking, art and drama rather than joining the CCF at school.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carter: No!
I'm just trying to help you. At this rate you'll never be important enough for ben to congratulate you on your impending fatherhood.
[ 18.06.2008, 06:45: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Yeah when's it due, Carter? How is Gemini? All going well?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
Didn't Carter and Gemini break up like 5 years ago?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: There's nothing else to really grab hold of is there.
Why don't you grab a hold of DEEZ NUTZ
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: And it's Caffè Nero, not Cafe Nero.
Jesus...
It'll always be CAFFÈ NERD to me.
As for the armed forces... I'm quite jealous that my son is going to get to travel round the world and learn all sorts of skills. I'm trying not to think about the bit where he loads missiles onto a jet fighter which goes and blows up a village. So I'm, kind of torn on the whole thing.
He's done it all himself though, from working his way up to Company Sergeant Major in the Cadets, passing his driving test first time, getting engineering awards at school and studying aeronautical engineering at college, to going through all the interviews, physical tests and induction courses to get into the Navy. Apart from feeding and clothing him, all that was nothing to do with us. In fact, if we ever suggested anything he'd immediately do the opposite, in traditional anti-parent rebellion style. We did pay for some extra maths tuition at one point I suppose.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
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