quote:Originally posted by vikram: i mourn for you
thanks. I mourn for us too. Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
just think! sarah palin one heart attack away from the presidency! woot!q
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
I know. But what can I do about it?
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
is it ok if I laugh at that? nwod? I'm a bit gun-shy after that Stevie Wonder slapdown I received...
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
It's OK, I'll be there next Monday and I'm going to have a damn good talking to the USA and try and see if I can make them see sense.
Maybe we can just put Califonia in a bubble and float it out to sea so I don't really have to buy a gun or 10, fuck my sister who is also my brother and then marry my mother who is also my father and my pastor praise be Jebus just to get my work permit approved..
John Sidney McCain III and Sarah Louise Heath Palin - Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
Still I hear she did once win second prize in a beauty contest..
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
Is it too early to say "I told you so"?
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: is it ok if I laugh at that? nwod? I'm a bit gun-shy after that Stevie Wonder slapdown I received...
Yeah, that was a solid rumble on the chuckle-o-meter.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
froopy is making me hold off on my grad school applications until we see the results of the election and know whether we want to continue to live here.
I wish I had time enough to get involved...thinking I might try to get voters to register from local colleges and any other liberal bastions.
Posted by H1ppychick (Member # 529) on :
quote:Originally posted by Darryn.R: Still I hear she did once win second prize in a beauty contest..
Did she win £10?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by H1ppychick: Did she win £10?
Nice. Very nearly a LOL apart from the fact it's 6.35am and I'm not sure I'm able to laugh at this time in the morning.
Edit - Unable to do a simple quote with UBB at this time in the morning it appears.
[ 09.09.2008, 01:43: Message edited by: Cherry In Hove ]
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
quote:Originally posted by H1ppychick:
quote:Originally posted by Darryn.R: Still I hear she did once win second prize in a beauty contest..
Did she win £10?
B'dum tish - And the pig came first !
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
you're comparing a caribou to a human life? do you not eat meat?
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
That caribou looks like its giving a sly wink to the camera.
Ummm... Hi TMO, how you all doing?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: you're comparing a caribou to a human life? do you not eat meat?
I've met people. I'd rate a caribou as much more important that 95% of people.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
accidentally what?
[ 09.09.2008, 08:11: Message edited by: Jimmy Big Nuts ]
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy Big Nuts: accidentally what?
A whole coca-cola bottle
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: you're comparing a caribou to a human life?
Yes, just as pro-lifers compare a jizzy egg to a human being.
[ 09.09.2008, 08:14: Message edited by: New Way Of Decay ]
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove:
quote:Originally posted by ralph: you're comparing a caribou to a human life? do you not eat meat?
I've met people. I'd rate a caribou as much more important that 95% of people.
Do you eat meat?
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:Originally posted by ralph: you're comparing a caribou to a human life?
Yes, just as pro-lifers compare a jizzy egg to a human being.
I..I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you suggesting that a caribou has the potential to become a human being? I think that's the general direction a jizzy egg is headed. Serious question nwod...at what point does that jizzy egg become a human life?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
Yes, I'll eat any meat.
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: Serious question nwod...at what point does that jizzy egg become a human life?
Birth?
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
That makes you a hypocrite, right?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
I've met people. I'd say the world would be a better place if 95% of them had been aborted.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove:
quote:Originally posted by ralph: Serious question nwod...at what point does that jizzy egg become a human life?
Birth?
So it's ok to kill it before it's entirely out of the womb?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
What makes me a hypocrite?
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: I've met people. I'd say the world would be a better place if 95% of them had been aborted.
I guess you're in that 95% then?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: So it's ok to kill it before it's entirely out of the womb?
The rules change depending on whether it's ginger or not.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: I..I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you suggesting that a caribou has the potential to become a human being? I think that's the general direction a jizzy egg is headed. Serious question nwod...at what point does that jizzy egg become a human life?
No, I think a caribou has more potential to be alive than something that isn't born. I'm one of those 'it's got to be born' people. The vagina is the doorway from unlife to life. The stretchy portal of existance. Anything else is just cells.
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: I guess you're in that 95% then?
No, I'm afraid you've made a mistake. I'm 100% awesome.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:Originally posted by ralph: I..I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you suggesting that a caribou has the potential to become a human being? I think that's the general direction a jizzy egg is headed. Serious question nwod...at what point does that jizzy egg become a human life?
No, I think a caribou has more potential to be alive than something that isn't born. I'm one of those 'it's got to be born' people. The vagina is the doorway from unlife to life. The stretchy portal of existance. Anything else is just cells.
lol. so if the head is out, but the rest of the body hasn't yet emerged, it's ok to hack its' head off?
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove:
quote:Originally posted by ralph: I guess you're in that 95% then?
No, I'm afraid you've made a mistake. I'm 100% awesome.
But surely you'd agree that you'd be in someones 95%? Not everyone thinks you're awesome? (I fall into the you're awesome camp, for the record)
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: lol. so if the head is out, but the rest of the body hasn't yet emerged, it's ok to hack its' head off?
The only way that is Ok is if you then fit an electronic body onto the head or something that keeps the head alive as the head has been born so is an actual person but the body is still cells.
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: But surely you'd agree that you'd be in someones 95%? Not everyone thinks you're awesome? (I fall into the you're awesome camp, for the record)
No no no. I did a poll. Everyone thinks I'm awesome. I'm officially the awesomest person on the planet.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
quote:Originally posted by squeegy:
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy Big Nuts: accidentally what?
A whole coca-cola bottle
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
Just a second. We're missing something important.
Look. Up there ^. Well back a page and up there. It's squeegy! Squeegy. How are you? How is Botswana?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
I accidentally a whole fleshlight!
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
Hi squeegy. Where do you stand on the murdering of unborn children?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: Hi squeegy. Where do you stand on the murdering of unborn children?
Nobody is arguing that killing children is OK as when they are born that's bad. An abortion is just like having a haircut really, getting rid of some cells you don't want.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: lol. so if the head is out, but the rest of the body hasn't yet emerged, it's ok to hack its' head off?
Well, fucking dur. No, ralph it's not ok to go around interrupting the birth to life process. There's no sliding scale on that part. Nobody tampers with the vajinne during that period. It's like you know nothing about vaginas at all, except trying to get back into one.
So then what's wrong with shooting a caribou and feasting on its meaty goodness?
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Well, fucking dur. No, ralph it's not ok to go around interrupting the birth to life process. There's no sliding scale on that part. Nobody tampers with the vajinne during that period. It's like you know nothing about vaginas at all, except trying to get back into one.
So if the head is still inside, but you can look up and see it, then is it ok to kill it? I guess I'm trying to figure out the very last second it's ok in your book to terminate a bunch of cells.
[ 09.09.2008, 08:35: Message edited by: ralph ]
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
that's a question for philosophers.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
it was actually a question for nwod...
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
btw, as an aside, does anybody use tumblr?
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: it was actually a question for nwod...
oh sorry, i thought you said you were trying to figure it out.
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: So then what's wrong with shooting a caribou and feasting on its meaty goodness?
Nothing - or everything if you're a vegetarian sort - and whether she hunts or not has nothing to do with her views on abortion. Unless he hunts humans - then it would.
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: Just a second. We're missing something important.
Look. Up there ^. Well back a page and up there. It's squeegy! Squeegy. How are you? How is Botswana?
Thats more like it, come on folks make a big fuss!
Botswana is good. Got ourselves a new president, pissed off Amnesty International, opened a few new diamond mines. Its all happening!
Ralph - I take the Kovacian stance on abortion. I'd look up the thread but Im supposed to be working... Long and the short of it is it must always be up to the mother.
eta: benway = lolz
[ 09.09.2008, 09:17: Message edited by: squeegy ]
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
accidentally what?
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy Big Nuts: accidentally what?
A whole coca-cola bottle...
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: So if the head is still inside, but you can look up and see it, then is it ok to kill it? I guess I'm trying to figure out the very last second it's ok in your book to terminate a bunch of cells.
It's actually you who seems to be keen to terminate everything, ralph.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
I think I'm just about finished now.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:Originally posted by ralph: So if the head is still inside, but you can look up and see it, then is it ok to kill it? I guess I'm trying to figure out the very last second it's ok in your book to terminate a bunch of cells.
It's actually you who seems to be keen to terminate everything, ralph.
Pardon? I have three kids...and one on the way. Why won't you just answer the fucking question? At what point exactly does it become wrong?
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
for me it's when the foetus becomes 'viable' to a reasonable probability. around 24 weeks.
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
So your wife's pumped out some kids so you're not all over this thread trying to trip someone up into stating what time would be ideal for abortion? You're such a jerk ralph.
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
But, when squeegy said (and i'm paraphrasing) all pro-lifers are fucking arseholes, he was spot on.
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: But, when squeegy said (and i'm paraphrasing) all pro-lifers are fucking arseholes, he was spot on.
Thats how I roll
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I think most of the tension from this thread has come from the fact some posters don't appreciate that animals are 'alive' thus scuppering Cherry's joke.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Abortions aren't that great for you, are they?
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
well, regardless of that slightly tepid interest in tumblr, I'll go ahead anyway. I have one, and if you like the internet and you like pictures and or videos and/or music, you may be interested. However, it's not very good. It's also maybe moderately un-work safe.
[ 09.09.2008, 09:47: Message edited by: Jimmy Big Nuts ]
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Abortions aren't that great for you, are they?
Well its not like colonic irrigation
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: So your wife's pumped out some kids so you're not all over this thread trying to trip someone up into stating what time would be ideal for abortion? You're such a jerk ralph.
I'm the jerk? Here's what you said nwod:
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: No, I think a caribou has more potential to be alive than something that isn't born. I'm one of those 'it's got to be born' people. The vagina is the doorway from unlife to life. The stretchy portal of existance. Anything else is just cells.
It's got to be born. So there's a period before it's born where it's still ok! When does that window of opportunity end? When precisely does it become more than just a bunch of cells, perfectly acceptable to kill in your eye?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by squeegy:
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Abortions aren't that great for you, are they?
Well its not like colonic irrigation
Yeah, okay...
I meant that when someone has an abortion, they're opening themselves up (heh) to potential (that word again) future problems with fertility, and various other bad things.
Or am I wrong?
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: It's got to be born. So there's a period before it's born where it's still ok! When does that window of opportunity end? When precisely does it become more than just a bunch of cells, perfectly acceptable to kill in your eye?
Right, nice and loudly for the cheap seats. It was you who focussed on the abortion part. Let's seperate the two things down. You clearly can't.
1.) I think a carabou that is born and wandering around enough to get shot at, is more alive than a baby that hasn't been born yet. hence why I find the caption amusing. Ha ha! Irony. I think it is so alive that the only way I think a baby could compare in terms of life is to meet it on an even keel: to be fucking born.
2.) I would leave the advice of abortion up to a doctor.
Is this clear cut enough for you? My cursor is hovering over MSPaint, just in case.
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Abortions aren't that great for you, are they?
I believe that doctors are now suggesting that pensioners should have one a day to cut the risk of strokes or something.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: My cursor is hovering over MSPaint, just in case.
lol. What do I need to say to get you to create and post something?
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
Apparently they can lead to future ectopic pregnancies, pelvic inflammatory disease, breast cancer, placenta previa, and infertility. So I would have to say avoid if possible. But I'm no doctor.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
I've got pelvic inflammatory disease. Shit's inflamed as a motherfucker. Inflamed for that coochie. Yeah.
Posted by Babb (Member # 8266) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: When does that window of opportunity end? When precisely does it become more than just a bunch of cells, perfectly acceptable to kill in your eye?
24 weeks Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph:
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: My cursor is hovering over MSPaint, just in case.
lol. What do I need to say to get you to create and post something?
This is a bad time. What do you want to see? It's going to be basic. Aisle seat.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: lol. so if the head is out, but the rest of the body hasn't yet emerged, it's ok to hack its' head off?
ralph... Now you've gone and done it... You're a fucking pro-lifer... I don't know if I can let you bale me out of mysql trouble anymore! Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Is this clear cut enough for you? My cursor is hovering over MSPaint, just in case.
While I am normally an enthusiastic supporter of mspaint illustrations, I think I've had about as many graphic abortion illustrations as I can stand today. To explain: this morning I was in Houston for work, and as I was leaving my meeting and trying to catch a taxi, I couldn't help but notice the string of large panel vans each displaying a billboard-sized photo of an aborted fetus in huge IMAX-like detail. Apparently the mayor was doing some sort of ceremony to celebrate Houston's Olympians at the park about a block away, and the anti-abortion sleazebags thought this would be an opportunity to place bloody mangled images in full view.
I call them sleazebags because abortion is an intensely personal decision and their tactic of using graphic images solely for shock value is, well, sleazy.
My litmus test on abortion has always been viability. If the fetus can survive if delivered, then it's a person. Until then, it's up to the mother to decide. (And yes, this means that the time window for abortion would also narrow over time as medical care for premature babies advances - so on this front perhaps the anti-abortion crowd can do us all a favor and instead of being annoying little pricks, perhaps they can focus on funding research for better preemie care, and actually do something proactive to save these babies they claim to care so much about.)
(btw- Darryn, are you going to be anywhere else in the states other than california?)
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
That's pretty grim, froop. To be fair, I was going to paint a picture of a carabou being born from a human, wearing a top hat, holding a cane and doing a single jazz hand.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
I think that would still be ok.
Posted by squeegy (Member # 136) on :
I would very much like to see that NWoD.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by sabian:
quote:Originally posted by ralph: lol. so if the head is out, but the rest of the body hasn't yet emerged, it's ok to hack its' head off?
ralph... Now you've gone and done it... You're a fucking pro-lifer... I don't know if I can let you bale me out of mysql trouble anymore!
No I'm not. I'm 100% in favor of letting the woman decide...I'm so pro-choice it hurts. I was just bored yesterday...
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
twat.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
is that unfair?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
How can calling ralph a twat ever be unfair?
It's just stating a fact surely Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Definitions of twat on the Web:
fathead: a man who is a stupid incompetent fool **** : obscene terms for female genitals
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: To be fair, I was going to paint a picture of a carabou being born from a human, wearing a top hat, holding a cane and doing a single jazz hand.
This image may still be the one to save the forum. So, if you have a minute...
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by froopyscot: This image may still be the one to save the forum. So, if you have a minute...
I had a few. Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Is TMO having a day's silence to celebrate 9/11 or something?
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
it was the greatest work of art humanity has ever known
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
What is it now, seven years since the plane-building interaction thing? The new tower must be coming on pretty nicely by now. I'll ask Google...
quote: Under current plans, the earliest opening date for any project at the site - the memorial - is 2011, the 10th anniversary of the attack. The Freedom Tower and other skyscrapers planned for ground zero aren't expected to open until 2013 at the earliest.
The deadlines for building the office towers, memorial and Sept. 11 museum, a transit hub, and performing arts center at ground zero have been changing almost since planning began. At one point, the plan called for the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower to be ready for occupancy by 2008.
quote:On May 17, 2008, a Saturday, the tower's steel breached street level when new sections were bolted to two of the 24 jumbo steel columns marking the building's footprint. The new column sections brought the height of the structure up to 15 feet above street level. In June, the chamfered steel skeleton of the tower's concrete base had begun to take shape. By the end of the month, the concrete had been poured for the floor of the tower's basement level B3. In his June 30, 2008 World Trade Center Rebuilding Assessment to New York Governor David Paterson, Port Authority executive director Chris Ward noted that "approximately 90 percent of the Freedom Tower contracts have been bid or are ready to award." By August, the Freedom Tower had reached 25 feet (8 m) above street level
25/1776 of the way there in seven years! Keep up the good work...
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Groundbreaking: September 21, 2004 Opening: September 2009 (est.)
quote:As of September 1, 2008, Burj Dubai had reached a height of 688 m (2,257 ft), with 160 completed floors,[10] becoming the tallest man-made structure of any kind ever built.
They haven't started building it yet, but it'll be 5,278 ft tall when completed.
To put that into context, the support towers at the bottom would be taller than Canary Wharf!
And that concludes the 2008 episode of Misc's Tall Building Watch.
[ 11.09.2008, 10:37: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Those A-rabs have some big plans: ...
Mile-High Tower
They haven't started building it yet, but it'll be 5,278 ft tall when completed. ...
The structure will actually be erected to a height of about 5,500 feet, at which time the top bit will be cut off to bring it to its final height, in keeping with local traditions.
[ 11.09.2008, 11:16: Message edited by: froopyscot ]
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
there's going to be a club on top
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Darryn.R: there's going to be a club on top
Yet another reason why the Brits are globally regarded as a nation of flamers...
[ 12.09.2008, 13:25: Message edited by: sabian ]
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
Well... Apart from fox hunting has been banned.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: Well... Apart from fox hunting has been banned.
Doesn't exactly stop them from going out though...
However, that wasn't the "joke" I was trying to make... I was trying to say that when Americans do stupid and pointless hunting, we arm ourselves to the teeth and use aircraft. Brits dress up like toy soldiers and mount horses and let the dog do all the work.
Ho hum, I despair...
Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
By the way I posted this in Media, the lastest version of the 9/11 conspiracy theory documentary "Loose Change". This film is awesome and raises many questions about what happened that day. Even if you still believe the official version you should still watch this.
If Obama gets elected then he should order an reinvestigation of the 9/11 attacks if only to clear up any unanswered questions and put the whole thing to rest. There are still two months to go before the elections so he could still overtake McCain.
[ 15.09.2008, 06:44: Message edited by: Harlequin ]
Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
double post
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Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
I think that the problem would be that they've already had a report, and conspiracy theorists will always generate more 'unanswered questions' because they are unable to accept a world where there isn't a secret cabal of paternal manipulators / aliens at the heart of everything.
I recently listened to a good episode of 'This American life' about a woman who was in a carriage that blew up on 7/7, and subsequently tried to challenge the theorists who reckoned the whole thing didn't even happen. Worth checking out.
Posted by Harlequin (Member # 454) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kanye West: I think that the problem would be that they've already had a report, and conspiracy theorists will always generate more 'unanswered questions' because they are unable to accept a world where there isn't a secret cabal of paternal manipulators / aliens at the heart of everything.
But that film Loose Change shows footage of George Bush and Condaleeza Rice LYING about 9/11! Yes bare faced LYING about 9/11!
Their lie: "No one could have ever envisaged a terrorist attack on America by terrorists flying planes into buildings!" A very big lie because only months before American security services were rehearsing how to respond to an attack by terrorists using hijacked plans to fly into buildings!
Watch the documentary Loose Change first before writting off 9/11 conspiracy theories. The American government never lies does it!
[ 15.09.2008, 07:16: Message edited by: Harlequin ]
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
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Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
I'm afraid the election is lost but it has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with Palin. She has every Christian mom in America supporting her with religious fervor. We have no hope.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
Hopefully she'll grow tired quickly, so far she's shown herself up to be sarcastic (at the convention) and snide and a bit stupid and ignorant in interviews (or interview - The Bush Doctrine, whas dat?). The Democrats need to force her out in the open a lot more in the next few weeks and get her bubble to burst. Or set Hilary on her. Also, the Democrats need to attack her, and to hell with the 'sexist' shield that the Republicans have been throwing up, or go for McCain - or keep bringing up the Economy, anything to show that they haven't a clue what they are doing.
Interviewer to McCain: What does Gvnr Palin know about national security McCain: Energy. She knows more about energy than any other American.
Eh?
Oh, and somebody should punch Ruddy Guliani in the face.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
for the people who support her, no amount of making her look stupid will work...the more we try the more it will backfire. They will rush to her defense as if we attacked Jesus himself.
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
She has the army of 'soccer moms' behind her, whose support she has regardless of policy because "she's one of us".
I hear Australia's nice.
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harlequin: But that film Loose Change shows footage of George Bush and Condaleeza Rice LYING about 9/11! Yes bare faced LYING about 9/11!
I haven't seen the film, so I can't comment on these specific lies, but it's fair to say that Bush & Co have put forth so many lies over the past eight years that it would require at least the same amount of time again just to list them all out. His would-be successor McCain is basing a campaign strategy around putting forth lies faster than the media (online or traditional) can or will counter them.
Think of it as a fire hose of lies, used against a citizenry armed with a paper towel.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by froopyscot: I hear Australia's nice.
Better than Britain! I chose the wrong English speaking country to move to...
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by sabian:
quote:Originally posted by froopyscot: I hear Australia's nice.
Better than Britain! I chose the wrong English speaking country to move to...
You certainly did.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
I think that the people who support her were never going to vote democrat anyway - the whole build up as been talking about how McCain needs to separate himself from Bush, to make the Republicans appear like the choice of change - which is absurd. I do think that picking Palin has just pushed the ticket further to the right.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
I don't think that is true at all. I'm on a couple of boards with moms from middle America and they were waffling until she came along and now they are either firmly in one camp or the other and unfortunately, many of them are in her camp.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: You certainly did.
Awww... Blackie, don't be so mean... You know I love you really.
quote:Originally posted by rooster: I don't think that is true at all. I'm on a couple of boards with moms from middle America and they were waffling until she came along and now they are either firmly in one camp or the other and unfortunately, many of them are in her camp.
I've always thought McCain would win but it would be close and depend wholly on if Obama could get out of his rhetoric rut and actually say what he'd do the for the country.
Since Palin was announced and Obama lost his PR machine, I think the win will be much more conclusive now.
The only saving grace is that something comes out that hamstring's Palin... Little things have eeked out that are embarrassing, but not big enough to cripple them. Like Geraldine Ferraro's crook husband who clinched it for Reagan... We need that again, only this time for Palin.
Otherwise, this administration could actually be worse than Bush's, and that's scary!
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: I don't think that is true at all. I'm on a couple of boards with moms from middle America and they were waffling until she came along and now they are either firmly in one camp or the other and unfortunately, many of them are in her camp.
Fair enough. I do think that a lot of the undecided voters are either saying that so that they feel more important in the run up, or because they don't want to admit that they aren't comfortable voting for a black man.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
It would have to be something VERY serious to cripple them. and it doesn't help that people on our side do stupid things like this: Greenberg's McCain photos
which, although it may contain info (like the **** thing) that people should know, just bolsters the repub's defensive position.
[ 16.09.2008, 01:10: Message edited by: rooster ]
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
she believes dinosaurs walked the earth alongside humans. fred flintstone-style. within the last 7,000 years.
THANK FUCK china is the future
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
Yeah that's almost as retarded as being a scientologist
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by vikram: she believes dinosaurs walked the earth alongside humans. fred flintstone-style. within the last 7,000 years.
At least that's a bit more progressive than a guy I knew back home who said that there were no dinosaurs, God put the bones in the ground to "test our faith".
Why are religious people such fucking retards? Oh yeah, cuz the Bible says that they have to be!
Personally I prefer Thomas Jefferson:
quote: Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ringo: Yeah that's almost as retarded as being a scientologist
They were in the Market on Saturday and tried to collar me with their street stress test thing... I told them that if I wanted to join a cult, I'd join one that would be a lot more fun like Satanists, not one who thought I had a bit of Alien seed in me and I had to give them all my money to germinate it.
I've NEVER seen someone get so angry and shout so loud in public before... I reckon the stress test thing would have told him to pop some Nitro to stem off the coming coronary
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
There was a protest thing going on opposite their branch on Tottenham Court Road in the afternoon, about 50 people wearing some sort of masks and chanting about cults. Even the police in attendance seemed to find it quite amusing..
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
I would guess that would be Anonymous. Were they wearing V for Vendetta masks?
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
It's funny, but you never see any Scientologists in Peckham...
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by sabian: You know I love you really.
That poeTV site has a fantastic speech by Joe Biden here.
(it's half an hour long but well worth it)
In fact I think it's the most intelligent speech I've ever heard from a politician.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: a fantastic speech by Joe Biden here.
Wow, that is a brilliant speech. I had no idea Biden was such a powerful and passionate speaker, I'd only read a couple of broadsheet biogs and sidebars about him.
If he can throw those sorts of punches in the pre-election debates he could be Obama's secret weapon.
GET UP!!!
Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
quote:Originally posted by vikram: she believes dinosaurs walked the earth alongside humans. fred flintstone-style. within the last 7,000 years.
THANK FUCK china is the future
right. chinese traditional medicine and mumbo fucking jumbo. thank fuck for that.
Posted by Physic (Member # 195) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: I would guess that would be Anonymous. Were they wearing V for Vendetta masks?
That's the ones! I remember thinking the masks were familiar but didn't make the connection, one of them proffered one to me, I wish I'd accepted now..
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:America's largest women's rights organisation delivered a snub to Sarah Palin's history-making candidacy yesterday by endorsing Barack Obama and Joe Biden's bid for power
Now, if Palin can just continue to make an idiot of herself by lying, then admitting she was lying, then retelling the exact same lie, hopefully the Democrats will win. (And I mean actually get into power this time, not just get more votes)
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
Palin seems to think that the way to solve the current financial crisis, sorry readjustment, is to regulate and keep big government away from Wall Street.
Palin and McCain floundered quite badly yesterday...
Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
palin and mccain. what a pair of whoppers.
Posted by Samuelnorton (Member # 48) on :
Oh leave poor Palin alone. Even if we have to put up with his toe-curling anecdotes about drinking congealed yak milk in Bhutan or eating rotten fish heads in downtown Ho Chi Minh City.
Oops, wrong Palin.
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Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
If that Palin were a choice, I might consider voting for him.
Too bad about that pesky natural born citizen requirement.
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