And here is medium one (20 weeks, e.g. last week):
And here is me, being pregnant:
And it's a BOY!
That's all really. Just thought I should mention it. Ok bye now.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
yeah! Go London!
Looking good....
Congratulations.
(We have somewhere between 6-11 weeks before Junior the Ball appears here)
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Wow. Congratulations!
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Excellent! Congratulations, London.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by London:
He looks a bit like Jeremy Irons...
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
See?
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Grattis London!
Another great Swedish expression I just found is och vilket språk använder ni i sängkammaren? - which apparently means 'and what language do you use in bed?'
Evidently, you use the language of baby-making.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Congratulations! Let's hope the poor bugger doesn't have curly ginger hair eh?
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
Crikey!
Top job
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Congratulations London and the father.
The father of the foetus that is, not The Holy Father. Unless...
Could this be the Second Coming?
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
[ 15.01.2008, 04:53: Message edited by: Black Mask ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
It's a testament to Jeremy Irons's menacing aura that a bright ginger afro doesn't make him any less sinister at all.
[ 15.01.2008, 04:57: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
Posted by Lickapaw#2 (Member # 1049) on :
Congratulations, London!
Edit: Can work out when London is due as she says week 20 was last week. Pay attention, Paw.
[ 15.01.2008, 05:02: Message edited by: Lickapaw#2 ]
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
somewhere between the 26th of May and the 1st of June?
Posted by Lickapaw#2 (Member # 1049) on :
'Scuse me for being out of the loop, London, but is this your first child?
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
* jaw hits desk *
Woah. Great news from everyone's favourite poster. I do hope that London's, Ben's and Jonesy's children are all posting here in 20 years time (and everyone else's of course). I won't be bothered about a pension and heating and all that nonsense if I can just sit and watch TMO:The Next Generation talking bollocks all day like we do.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
It won't have ginger hair because I deliberately mated with a beautiful boy of Indian descent. So it - he - will have gorgeous, straight black hair. Due date is 28th May, the day after my birthday!
ps yes it's definitely my first child and I'm scared and excited all at once, so, y'know, comforting words much appreciated...
[ 15.01.2008, 05:33: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: It won't have ginger hair because I deliberately mated with a beautiful boy of Indian descent.
Vikram?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I said 'beautiful', dude.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: I said 'beautiful', dude.
Congratulations! 20 weeks is a good time, your brain starts thinking in weeks easier, your belly button gets all sensitive, and you become obviously pregnant and start to radiate... apparently...
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
Congratulations London ! That's great news !
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
Well done.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: It won't have ginger hair because I deliberately mated with a beautiful boy of Indian descent.
I had no idea that outsourcing was quite so widespread. Do you get a call centre number in Mumbai if you have any support questions?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I want a braaaan baby. All the other mums has got one...
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Racists.
Somehow.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
Can we choose a name?
I choose: Horrace
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
oh, wow! For once, being an incurable occasional lurker has paid off. Well done, London. What a perfectly round and gorgeous bump you've got too.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Racists.
Somehow.
I didn't think you'd mind, seeing as you've just committed gingercide on your own child. Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I've written a highly racist, yet amusing indian call centre jape, but didn't want to offend.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Oh go on. Don't let the fact that the father was born and bred in London put you off your stride. Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Well, it was more along the line of dangs call-centre baby support riff than Horrace's father, but there you go.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
post it!
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Hillo. You are frru to Enkay Baby-making Limitations. What is the problem you are ex-pairiencing?
Oh hi. Please help. My baby is crying and I don't know what to do.
Ok madam. Firstly you may want to be sitting down and slapping yourself firmly in the face to maintain that you remain calm.
I er..
Secondly, what is your bebbys name, do you have her in an upright position and are you bouncing her on your knee?
His name is Arthur. He’s a boy.
(Louder) Are you bouncing him on your knee pliz?
Yes. He’s still crying though, I don’t think…
Have you fed the bebby Arthur today Madam?
Yes, he’s already eaten, I gave….
Have you put the bebby Arthur down for a nap Madam?
He has had a nap this afternoon for about…
Have you checked the bebby Arthurs nappy for doo-doos or wee-pees Madam?
He is clean. Look, I’ve done all that, but I still don’t know what to do.
*rustling paper*
Is the bebby sunburnt all over Madam?
Sunburnt? It’s the middle of winter. He does have a slight cough
*pause*
The cough will go away. We were experiencing problems with our anti-virus programs recently but they are all working now.
I don’t understand. He’s still got a cough.
*pause*
Is the bebby Arthur covered in plegs of locusists Madam? In the event of Locusists or other acts of god, you are not covered by the bebby prrotection plan that Enkay prrovides. If you are unhappy with your bebby, then pliz return within 20 days of incubations in a cardboard box with plenty of food and water. Have a nice day Madam. Thank you for calling Enkay Baby-making Limitations
*single long tone*
Hello? Hello!?
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Alright, Astro?
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
Maybe he'll be Indian-style, but with red curly hair. Did you think of that? Hmm?
I guess congratulations are in order. Will the boychild be brought up in Sweden?
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
If it was an NHS call centre they'd have emailed a prescription for antibiotics. I think that Enkay Baby-making Limitations were very patient, and I expect they're a lot cheaper than the NHS too. You've made a good choice London.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: Alright, Astro?
Hallo mart! Yes, pretty good thanks. Just found a tomato soup stain on my jumper, though. How about you? How is Gree?
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
congratulations for being in the duff, london.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
We're all very well, thanks, Lady A. Nothing exciting to report. No soup stains.
Sorry, a bit boring really.
But nice to see you Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: congratulations for being in the duff, london.
you should be congratulating the guy who was in there first.
high fives misc. Indian dude Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Surely straight dark brown hair beats curly auburn hair, genetically? I figure the redhead gene can't be that powerful, or we'd make up more than 3% of the UK population.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
sorry london, the hair gene always carrys from the female side...
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
my hair is awesome anyway
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
it really is. there's a woman who works in my building who has a similar head of hair. it's striking.
Posted by vikram (Member # 98) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: I said 'beautiful', dude.
I hate you! x
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
vikram! Think about the baby!
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: high fives misc. Indian dude
*high fives Ralph *high fives Indian dude
Posted by Amy (Member # 11) on :
Congrats Londie!
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
Congratulations! That is excellent news. If you want to talk all things motherly and pregnant, you have mine (or froop's) email as we are due the week before you so I can certainly commiserate (though I'm hoping your pregnancy hasn't brought the horrible sickies that mine has).
And, I love red hair - seems that there are a lot of little red-headed babies around here, so it can't be all that recessive.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
red hair doesn't have the same implication in the US as it does over here.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Red hair is awesome, and you are all just RACIST against our ancient Celtic genes. Anyway, having red hair has got me laid loads. Guys love redheads. NYAH.
Posted by missgolightly (Member # 34) on :
Congrats London, that's great news!
The baby thing that is, not the getting laid cos of having red hair thing, though I guess that's pretty good too.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Isn’t hair colour more complicated than just the father and the mother? Can’t a ginge gene sneak in from your great granddad or something even if you’re blonde on blonde parents?
Anyway, who cares? Congratulations London. You’ll be a great and cool mum. If it’s really possible to be a cool mum. What will you call your boy gaybie?
[ 16.01.2008, 07:02: Message edited by: jonesy999 ]
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
I think it should be called Harold
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
War Bastard.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
I think a good name would be Chocolatesandcham.
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
Ohms
Posted by Benny the Ball (Member # 694) on :
or Hertz
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Hertz London is a pretty cool name.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I think we've decided on a boy name but I'm not going to say it here in case you all think it's gay or whatever. People say when it comes out that it kind of has a personality already and might not suit the name you've picked out for it anyway, is that true?
And what can I do about the 4am leg cramps? They suck!
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
Congratulations, Londie. I shall be sensible and not name it for you, but instead post my baby-having advice what I posted elsewhere about four weeks after I had Millie:
Pregnancy is just a physical state like any other. If you have terrible trouble with PMS, such as I do, you'll have terrible trouble with pregnancy. I, personally, am a slave to my hormones, especially moodwise, and pregnancy is like 9 month PMS, 11 months if you count the bit after pregnancy. I was in a bad mood, had headaches and was rampantly horny most of the time. The physical changes, to me, were vastly less difficult to deal with than the mental ones. Physically, you just get fat. Everywhere. Fat ankles, fat tits, a fat arse, things hurt and around about month six it gets more and more difficult to move, and your fitness decreases vastly. I had to ask the other half to go up and down the stairs for me if it wasn't strictly necessary for me, personally, to do it, that sort of thing. But at the end of the day, it is quite simply a physical state of being, and the knowledge that IT WILL PASS helps you to deal with it greatly.
Giving birth is something you can prepare for with all the classes in the world, but in the end it comes down to YOU and YOU ALONE, having to manoeuvre a BABY'S HEAD out of your va-jay-jay. Simple as that. And that hurts. I had an epidural with the first one and trust me, it still hurts like a mofo. There is NOTHING in the world like the pain of childbirth, it is like something from space sent to test you. IT WILL MAKE YOU CRY. You already know how to breathe because you've seen it on the telly, and that really is about all you can learn. You cannot learn how to push a baby out of your fanny, you can only do it when the time comes and you feel that urge. That's all.
On the note of giving birth, sorry to break it to you, but yes, you will have a shit. I mention it a propos of absolutely nothing, but it's best to demystify these myths as quickly as possible. Yes, you will poo. It's nothing they haven't seen before and will see again on a regular basis, so just deal with it and move on. And yes, your backside will prolapse and if you're very lucky, like I was with the first one, every blood vessel in your face will burst. Lovely. You'll probably tear and you will end up with a big, stretched, bloody mess. This too, will pass, and if you're asking, with me it was three weeks to get everything back to functioning normally, though I still have occasional spotting and, sporadically, a rather iffy smell.
Breast feeding hurts for the first few days. I'm not talking about your nipples, I'm talking about your actual breasts. They will start to want to make milk right after labour, and they will grow. They will grow fast, they will get hard, and I mean hard, like rocks, and they will hurt. The baby will exacerbate things by trying to regulate the amount of milk they make by feeding a lot, or often or both. Your baby will be in charge of your breasts, make no mistake. He or she will decide how big they are and how much they hurt. That's your baby's job, you are not in charge of them any more. After a few days, the pain will pass and your breasts will adjust. THEN they will start doing that hilarious leaky thing. Your breasts will KNOW when your baby wants food and they will tell you about it by leaking copiously into your bra and hopefully your strategically placed nipple shields, which hopefully won't have dislodged themselves into your armpits. Millie actually skipped a feed the other night and I woke up in a POOL of milk. They will also do the sympathetic leaking thing, whereby when the baby feeds off one breast, milk will start running out of the other one until the baby is done. Your breasts will be constant source of amazement and amusement, and please, don't forget that they will squirt your partner in the face if he tries to touch them. But don't worry, you won't want him to.
Speaking of squirting, THINGS WILL GET DIRTY. Have a nice sofa? Put it in storage for ten years. The first year it will get covered in breast milk, baby wee, baby poo, snot and sick. After that year, it will get covered in fruit juice, chocolate milk, flattened strawberries, sticky things you cannot and do not wish to identify, snot and sick. You will try to keep things clean and you will fail. You will think that you will change the baby on its changing table, you will not, you will change it on your bed, on the sofa or anywhere it happens to be.
Speaking of which, the child will TAKE OVER YOUR HOUSE. Deal with it. Make sure you have a place to put its vast amounts of paraphernalia in every room. A box, a basket, anything. If you don't, there will be things belonging to the child on every surface in every single room of your house. Every. Last. Room.
You will be given many, many gifts, a vast amount of them you either will not like, or will never use. Buy the child enough newborn sized clothes, because every gift of clothing you will get will be for a six-month-old. People like to err on the side of caution. Having said that, don't buy TOO MANY newborn sized clothes. You will be amazed at the newborn's capacity to grow out of clothes WITHIN ONE WEEK. That is, indeed, how fast they grow. It's mind-boggling.
Taking all that into account, babies are not actually as much hassle as you think (toddlers, on the other hand, are) and when that moment comes a few weeks in when they look at you and you realise they actually know who you are and they're possibly even trying to smile to prove that to you, it's really rather great. Honest.
What I mean is, I wouldn't sell either of them on ebay or anything. Or 99% of the time I wouldn't, in any case.
See? Sensible advice, that's me. Good luck, babes.
Posted by Dr. Benway (Member # 20) on :
sounds pretty bad.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: People say when it comes out that it kind of has a personality already and might not suit the name you've picked out for it anyway, is that true?
Quite likely. We had a name ready-picked for our youngest. Got him registered with the council using that name a few days later and told assorted relatives and friends... then realised it didn't suit him at all. So we filled out a few forms and changed it and the new name suits him perfectly.
Which all sounds really stupid coz it's only a fucking name, but yeah, I do think there's something in the theory.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: sounds pretty bad.
Kind of puts your incident with Kate Beckinsale into perspective doesn't it.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
Meh. I'm still alive. I gots a working vag and all the rest of it. And a mewling smiling thing currently rolling around the floor. And a walking talking one singing "You've got to hide your love away" and talking to an imaginary Ringo Starr.
Posted by Keef (Member # 27) on :
*
Congratulations London!
*That's a bun in the oven.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
You aren't gonna call it Seth are you?
Don't call it Seth.
Seth is a stupid name.
Seth! Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
Eat bananas for the leg cramps, London. Worked for me.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Seth is a stupid name.
We considered Seth, for about 3 seconds. Mainly because it could get very messy combined with Smith as a surname.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
ps I found Damon's list rather terrifying, and I've had a baby. It's not the same for everyone, just do your own thing, try to have confidence in yourself, and you'll be fine.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
Call it Jeff. Jeff Payne. Come on. He'll wind up as a grizzled alcoholic cop who doesn't play by the book, but gets results. Jeff Payne. "You can't win this!" "Yeah? Why not?" "Because... you didn't bring your paynekillers!" *gundeath*.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: ps I found Damon's list rather terrifying, and I've had a baby. It's not the same for everyone, just do your own thing, try to have confidence in yourself, and you'll be fine.
Did you? I was being kind. Like I said, it's all just temporary, whatever it is, whether it be the big bloody mess or the fatness and the crying or the leg cramps or whatever. It goes away, you get back to normal, honest. Just bear that in mind, even when you're trying to push the bloody thing out and you think you may die. You won't, you'll be fine and happy before you know it.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Should I have an elective c-section? I totally reckon I could talk them into it if I tried.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
No.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: sounds pretty bad.
It does indeed. We were ok with just posting stupid names.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Should I have an elective c-section? I totally reckon I could talk them into it if I tried.
Unless you've got the world's weakest pelvic floor muscles and a legitimate reason to fear that you may end up with the metaphorical bucket I'd say no. No matter what you may think, that's still an actual operation and any operation you don't really need is probably a silly idea. If you're worried about tearing, fisting helps. Apparently. I read that somewhere. It's got a fancy-schmancy name when you do it to decrease your chances of tearing, but yeah. Fisting. LOL. I mention fisting because I read an article just ten minutes ago about how fisting is actually encouraged by the Bible. And also that God approves of threesomes, but only if there's two women involved.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I come back to the boards after two years and within half an hour I'm talking about fisting. I'll just get my coat.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
I know someone who had a phobia of giving birth, to the extent that she managed to get an elective section for her first birth - which as you have probably gathered, isn't usually de rigeur on the NHS. So it is possible. Depends on your persuasive skills and whether you're growing an enormo-baby.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
The jury's still out on fisting. Although I didn't, and got a tear - which was my major worry, but actually it was pretty much OK. By the time I was mentally ready to have a peek down there it looked more or less the same as before a baby came out of it.
ETA: "more or less" is probably a slightly disquieting phrase, but, you know. Let's be realistic here.
[ 16.01.2008, 08:59: Message edited by: Astromariner ]
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Mainly because it could get very messy combined with Smith as a surname.
Especially if he developed a lithp.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: The jury's still out on fisting. Although I didn't, and got a tear - which was my major worry, but actually it was pretty much OK. By the time I was mentally ready to have a peek down there it looked more or less the same as before a baby came out of it.
ETA: "more or less" is probably a slightly disquieting phrase, but, you know. Let's be realistic here.
I'm imagining Astro on the table squeezing a can of spinach into her mouth and then doing that sq-a-eeezing shape popeye does and a baby popping out all pwut-ting in a comedy cartoon air-pellet-on-spitoon noise.
[ 16.01.2008, 09:14: Message edited by: New Way Of Decay ]
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: The jury's still out on fisting. Although I didn't, and got a tear - which was my major worry, but actually it was pretty much OK. By the time I was mentally ready to have a peek down there it looked more or less the same as before a baby came out of it.
ETA: "more or less" is probably a slightly disquieting phrase, but, you know. Let's be realistic here.
I had a tiny tear with Beckett, and ended up with 26 stitches because I had an American obstetrician who said she'd "make it look nice". She did. I got a perineal tear with Millie that had to be seen to be believed and they gave me two stitches. Two. Stingy Dutch bastards.
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: You aren't gonna call it Seth are you?
Don't call it Seth.
Seth is a stupid name.
Seth!
Or scott, either, ugh.
Congrats London! Happy news.
Also answers the question of what everyone's been up to other than posting on the forum recently.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
I found staying out all night was a good way of dealing with the 4am leg cramps.
Posted by SilverGinger5 (Member # 49) on :
My brother was going to call his child Seth if it was a boy, however it turned out to be a girl so he called it Summer. I'm not sure she's going to be all that thrilled to find out how she got her name.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: I'm imagining Astro on the table squeezing a can of spinach into her mouth and then doing that sq-a-eeezing shape popeye does and a baby popping out all [/i]pwut-ting[i] in a comedy cartoon air-pellet-on-spitoon noise.
's true! Well, not really. But it wasn't as bad as I expected - though, in hindsight, sifting through thousands of first hand accounts on birthtrauma.com the night before the birth wasn't ideal mental preparation.
Damon: I'm wincing in sympathy. I just had a couple of stitches for my tear also: with no local. That's my proud birth story: having my vadge stitched up with only gas and air to sustain me. It was v. difficult not to kick the nice midwife in the face.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
Though, if I may pimp, I had Millie on a Roma Birth Wheel, I went into labour at seven in the morning, in hospital by eleven, she was out by one and I was home at three o'clock. That wheel fucking rocks.
But they do say the speed and position is probably what made me tear so bad.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
quote:Originally posted by jonesy999: I found staying out all night was a good way of dealing with the 4am leg cramps.
I like the way I've tried to present myself there as some kind of bad-ass all-night-drinking Giveashit when in reality I was busy making marmite on toast and massaging away the cramps with my limp wrist while whispering soppy encouragement and pulling a pained attempt at an empathy face.
[ 16.01.2008, 09:27: Message edited by: jonesy999 ]
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by jonesy999:
quote:Originally posted by jonesy999: I found staying out all night was a good way of dealing with the 4am leg cramps.
I like the way I've tried to present myself there as some kind of bad-ass all-night-drinking Giveashit when in reality I was busy making marmite on toast and massaging away the cramps with my limp wrist while whispering soppy encouragement and pulling a pained empathy face.
Aw, bless.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
This thread is shaping up nicely.
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
quote:Originally posted by jonesy999: Bad-ass all-night-drinking Giveashit
You know, like Jeff Payne.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by Damon's Off: But they do say the speed and position is probably what made me tear so bad.
Pardon me if I step over the bondaries of what another poster can ask, but did you prepare yourself for birth by using perenial massage at all? My wife gave birth to three fairly good sized babies and never needed a single stitch.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
I second the banana suggestion (or you could just take Potassium supplements).
It is different for everyone, but I'd say 100% NO to having an elective C-section. They really discourage VBACs now, so you'd be making a birthing decision for future births too. Avoid induction and all that stuff as well...natural is really the way to go - though I wouldn't say no to an epidural. I fought against getting one, but in the end, was very glad I did. I had six hours of dozing off and on feeling somewhat floaty and high (but still being able to feel the baby kick) before waking up to what felt like very calmly push the baby out for half an hour.
As for stitching and tears, that's another story. I'm still having effects from mine.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: Avoid induction and all that stuff as well...natural is really the way to go
Amen sister!
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Max!
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: [Amen sister!
says the man Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
I'm really down on OBs at the moment actually. I think they push all these things that make births convenient for them while the mother (and baby) suffer. C-sections are best for them - 20 minutes and they are home for dinner or make their tee time on the golf course. Inductions are the same thing - all about when they want to do it, but the woman's body isn't ready, so it leads to Cs that could be avoided if things were just allowed to go on their own.
ETA: Is it the same in the UK? Do women just blindly follow what a doctor says because he/she knows best or are people questioning?
[ 16.01.2008, 09:42: Message edited by: rooster ]
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: says the man
It's not my fault I can't give birth! But, as I stated, my wife has given birth three times, each and every time without an induction or any pain relief. If it had been such a horror for her the first time, do you think she would have had two more?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Yeah, we were thinking of Max. Max Payne. It'd be good. But probably not.
But Astro... it LOOKS DIFFERENT after? I never thought about that. I like how it looks now.
If you have an epidural, do you have to lie down? You can get a walking-around one, can't you?
Fisting I / this guy only managed one time after I had taken loads of codeine and smoked lots of spliffs. What's the birth equivalent of that? Or is that ok in a hospital these days.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: ETA: Is it the same in the UK? Do women just blindly follow what a doctor says because he/she knows best or are people questioning?
The c-section rate in Europe in general is much lower than that of the US (30% in some areas) so I'm going to guess that they don't.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: ETA: Is it the same in the UK? Do women just blindly follow what a doctor says because he/she knows best or are people questioning?
I really want to see that documentary. I watched the trailer for it online last night actually and did a big cry, but that's just because I feel like crying all the time for no reason.
I think in the UK it is not nearly as bad as the US. That being said, everyone I know who's given birth in a hospital there has ended up with an episiostomy and then an emergency c-section. I think the emergency c-section rates in the UK are quite high, though not as bad as the US. Here in Sweden they seem to be into keeping it pretty natural. Emergency c-section rate is 10%. Don't know about episiostomy rate. And they're really against inductions. I'm glad I'll be giving birth here.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: Avoid induction and all that stuff as well...natural is really the way to go
Most women I've spoken to don't feel confident enough in their first pregnancies to go against what the health professionals are telling them, and wait and see when their baby might begin to think about putting in an appearance. For example, I went two weeks overdue. They said they wanted to induce me. I said OK then. I went home and did some reading on the internet. Unsurprisingly, the internet is full of people going "OMG don't have an INDUCTION, for fuck's sake. What are you, insane?". Nonetheless, I went in to hospital the next day, gave birth to a little girl without significant incident, and then took her home. This sort of thing happens pretty frequently really.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Fisting I / this guy only managed one time after I had taken loads of codeine and smoked lots of spliffs. What's the birth equivalent of that? Or is that ok in a hospital these days.
You really need to get fisted by a series of people with increasing arm thickness. Start with a skinny arm (I'm not offering here) and work your way up until you can cope with penetration from someone like this:
ETA: Okay, maybe not that big or the braaaan baby might need a set of crampons to keep himself inside.
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Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
i wish this thread was girl-only
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph:
quote:Originally posted by Damon's Off: But they do say the speed and position is probably what made me tear so bad.
Pardon me if I step over the bondaries of what another poster can ask, but did you prepare yourself for birth by using perenial massage at all? My wife gave birth to three fairly good sized babies and never needed a single stitch.
Lucky her. No I did not. I couldn't reach around the bump.
Badumtish and all that.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
As a friend once said of her foofoo after childbirth: "How can you stitch mince?"
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: My wife gave birth to three fairly good sized babies and never needed a single stitch.
Pardon me if I step over the bondaries of what another poster can ask, but is it like firing a spud gun into wookie hole?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: I had six hours of dozing off and on feeling somewhat floaty and high (but still being able to feel the baby kick) before waking up to what felt like very calmly push the baby out for half an hour.
So, an epidural, right... it makes your brain feel nice as well? I thought it only made your bottom half numb. It is like a morphine feeling, or what?
Is sex the same after or is it rubbish forever?
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Pardon me if I step over the bondaries of what another poster can ask, but is it like firing a spud gun into wookie hole?
No. It's really not that different than it was to begin with. Thanks for asking.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Aren't vaginers amazing?
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: But Astro... it LOOKS DIFFERENT after? I never thought about that. I like how it looks now.
If you have an epidural, do you have to lie down? You can get a walking-around one, can't you?
Fisting I / this guy only managed one time after I had taken loads of codeine and smoked lots of spliffs. What's the birth equivalent of that? Or is that ok in a hospital these days.
It's a bit more... floppy, generally. You could always have some bits tucked if you're fussed. Though I swear, since Millie, my g-spot's moved down a bit.
No, you have to lie down for an epidural. At least while they're giving it, anyway. It's your spine you're messing with.
Ditto on the girl-only thing, yeah.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
leaves thread Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Is sex the same after or is it rubbish forever?
Kegels, dude, kegels. No, it's not rubbish forever.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: leaves thread
I knew I could manage it eventually. Did you do "massage", Ralph? Go on, you can tell us.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
Surely 'massage' and 'fisting' amount to the same thing. In this instance.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I'm thinking of getting a doula. Because what if it starts and my mum / sister are still in the UK? And the father, he's already promised he's "not going down the business end, not even for a peek". If I had a doula, she would probably do perinial massage for me so I wouldn't have to fly Ralph over!
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Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: Surely 'massage' and 'fisting' amount to the same thing. In this instance.
You bet your butt they do. Dirty Ralph.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: I'm thinking of getting a doula. Because what if it starts and my mum / sister are still in the UK? And the father, he's already promised he's "not going down the business end, not even for a peek". If I had a doula, she would probably do perinial massage for me so I wouldn't have to fly Ralph over!
He's lying. He won't be able to resist the temptation to see that classic moment when your mimsy suddenly has an actual face right in the middle of it, peeking out.
Posted by missgolightly (Member # 34) on :
I've been starting to feel broody lately, but now can happily wait a bit longer - thanks tmo!
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Damon's Off: He's lying. He won't be able to resist the temptation to see that classic moment when your mimsy suddenly has an actual face right in the middle of it, peeking out.
Oh my fucking god. Now I think I understand why people are afraid of women. That's just about the wierdest thing I ever heard.
I secretly don't even want him in the room. I don't want him to see me like that. I feel like it's a girl thing. How can I dissuade him from attending? Anyone got any photos of face-in-mimsy? That ought to do it.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
LOL, D.O had to stop pushing when Millie was just a bit out, Millie looked like Jack Nicolson in The Shining...
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: How can I dissuade him from attending?
You should have thought about that while his sperm was travelling towards golconda. He's going to see mini-him come out of your virgina and that's that lady.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
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Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by Darryn.R: LOL, D.O had to stop pushing when Millie was just a bit out, Millie looked like Jack Nicolson in The Shining...
So that's why some people call it an "axe wound" Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
quote:Originally posted by London:
quote:Originally posted by rooster: I had six hours of dozing off and on feeling somewhat floaty and high (but still being able to feel the baby kick) before waking up to what felt like very calmly push the baby out for half an hour.
So, an epidural, right... it makes your brain feel nice as well? I thought it only made your bottom half numb. It is like a morphine feeling, or what?
Is sex the same after or is it rubbish forever?
My brain felt nice, but I think it was more from the 45 min. or so of labor before I got the epidural and the resulting exhaustion coupled w/epi-induced relief. It was like the high you get after a good workout, but stretched to six hours.
And as far as sex - I have the opposite problem from most women: I orgasm way too easily, so I would have hoped for some desensitization, but no such luck. It doesn't look the same though.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: [ I orgasm way too easily, so I would have hoped for some desensitization, but no such luck.
Double-you, tee, eff?
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
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Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
It's true, you know. Faster than a 14-year-old boy with his dad's Penthouse.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
Wow. You're a lucky man.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: It doesn't look the same though.
What... happens? Do the inner lips kind of hang down or something?
This thread is so informative, thank you everyone.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: I orgasm way too easily, so I would have hoped for some desensitization, but no such luck.
LOLOLOL. I love this thread. I didn't know you could orgasm too easily.
I could manage it in about 45 seconds if I really put my mind to it. Not a huge amount of fun, but it does the job if I'm antsy or have cramps or am just generally in a hurry.
TMI again, isn't it? See, this is why I've stayed well away.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: . If I had a doula, she would probably do perinial massage for me
They aren't usually that "hands on"...
We had one for my littlest's arrival and she just stood there the entire time shouting down the male midwife ("You're a MAN! You CAN'T KNOW what it's like!!!!!") and shoving homoepathic remedies (read sugar pills) down the mrs's throat. She's a boardmember and trainer of DoulaUK so, they all probably do this!
Mrs did do it though with no drugs in a birthing pool. Admittedly at one point she screamed so loud the other three midwives and 2 nurses KICKED in the door to see if she was ok... You think the contractions are bad, wait until transition kicks in!
quote: During this stage of labour the cervix is dilated from seven to ten centimetres. You may be experiencing long, strong contractions with little time in between. You may feel an urge to push at the height of each contraction. You may also experience:
* trembling * vomiting * irritability * backache * despair * feeling hot and cold * legs shaking * screaming like the world is going to end, eyes rolling in the back of head, speaking in tongues, thinking you are going to die...
BOLD based on personal experience and observation
Oh, and you don't really get a chance to 'recover' either... Baby pops out, you deliver the placenta, you get dressed and go home.
Contractions started at 7am, was home with baby by 3pm.
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Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
So it sounds like the best thing to do is to make sure you can have an epidural (but quite a mild one so you can still push if necessary) quite early on. True?
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
oh yes, transition sucks ass. That was easily the worst bit, but on the plus side it doesn't take very long.
I'd highly recommend some form of bath or pool for your labour, London - it really helps with the pain, to the extent that I didn't feel much until they made me get out (my hospital didn't have a proper birthing pool, so I was just in the bath). I dunno about epidurals, everything happened so quickly with me that I wouldn't have had time for one even if I felt I needed it.. I did ask for drugs during transition (I'd never pass up an opportunity for legal high-dose opiates) but it was too late for those too, and in retrospect I'm glad I didn't get them: it was good being compos when my daughter arrived.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
What's transition? When it travels down yr **** ?
From what I can gather, the hospitals here all have private rooms with baths, and you're encouraged to move around lots and labour in the bath and that. Is an epidural opiate-based then? Do I sound too focused on drugs do you think?
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
No, an epidural is more like a nerve block. It's the only thing that will stop the pain completely, if it works properly (sometimes it doesn't). The downside is I don't think you'll be able to move about at much if you have one. HOWEVER, I have heard of something called a mobile epidural, so it might be worth looking into that with your midwife. Diamorphine, or pethidine depending on what they've got, won't do much for the pain but it will make you feel better about it. They can't give that too late, or it can affect the baby's breathing and feeding after the birth.
Transition is the final cranking open of your uterus before the pushing stage. That's what it feels like too. It's your whole body tensing and tensing like a ginormous muscle. Pretty freaky. Also! Whilst this was happening with me, the midwife was trying to break my waters with a crochet hook. She was wearing a sort of polythene souwester and safety goggles for this task, which made for some much-needed light relief.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
Over here the milder version is called a walking epidural, but it is only milder in the nerve-block part, they also give you additional narcotics, which I wouldn't take (as that can effect the baby).
I didn't walk w/my epidural, but I was able to move my legs a little tiny bit, and could feel almost everything, just without any pain. When you get an epidural, you'll also need an IV and more monitoring, which will make it difficult to move around; however, you still have the option of side labor and delivery instead of the traditional on the back, in the stirrups position, which I've read to be the worse.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Is it like period pain times one million?
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Is it like period pain times one million?
Yes and no. It's kind of an indescribable pain, when it really gets going it really does force you to your knees panting like a dog, it hurts that much.
When you get to the delivery stage, it's actually quite fascinating, if you can keep your wits about you. I managed that with Millie somewhat, and I realised the process is really quite clever. You get humungous contractions that hurt so much that you think you're going to faint, and then you push. When you push, that pain goes away. It's replaced by the more focussed, slightly more "real" pain of your bits stretching and tearing and stuff, but that pain's a doddle compared to the contraction, so you keep pushing, anything to make the contraction pain go away. It's really quite clever, how it works, and if you concentrate and work with it, it's bearable and actually becomes quite interesting. Well, I thought so, anyway. When I was done crying.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
Everyone feels the pain differently, I think. Personally I found it completely unlike period pain, apart from in the very early stages of labour. The feeling that your whole body has become one clenching muscle is about the closest I can get to describing what it was like for me.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
While I think of it, Damon's Off: was your second birth any easier than your first?
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
I have to say that this sounds like an awful lot of effort for something that people will then spend a couple of years complaining about the noise, a couple of years on the mess, a couple of decades complaining about the cost, the second decade complaining about the sulking and the next thirty years complaining that after all that they're wasting their life and they never call. Presumably it's worth it at some point. No-one seems to whine too much about 7-12 year olds. Is that the sweet spot that makes it worthwhile?
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
It's worth it now, of course! Although I may review that assessment when my daughter finally cracks the whole "walking and talking" deal.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
Thorn - You forgot the complaining about the lack of sleep, as if this aspect has come as a surprise. I suppose the only complaint during the 7-12-year interval - which they can generally spend playing in the rooms - is having to house, or join the catholic faith, in order to get them into the 'best' school.
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Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
Sleep's for the weak. And that bit only lasts for the first couple of months anyway. I don't know about schools - I thought only Londoners cared about that sort of thing. Up here it's the local primary school, and then the local secondary school. Seems simple enough to me.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: It's worth it now, of course! Although I may review that assessment when my daughter finally cracks the whole "walking and talking" deal.
I quite liked working with toddlers aged 2 because they can communicate but still like hugs and being read stories. Easy fucking peasy. It's the dreaded 3 when they start doing shit for themselves. Forget all I want for christmas is my two front teeth. It's all I want for my third birthday is the right to do dangerous, out of control shit, breaking stuff and asking, without fail, in succession for a million times: Why?
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
Well, from my point of view, the children themselves are mostly a joy but the whole process of feeding them, cleaning them, schooling them, entertaining them, housing them... it's an enormous drag and stretches out before you like a prison sentence.
But that's because we've (typically) done the whole thing wrong. We had four children spaced out over something like twelve years, and that's just stupid. Also, neither of us have parents in the area or of the right age, so no one else ever looks after our kids, apart from the occasional sleepover at a friend's house - but that will only be one of the kids at any one time.
This isn't normal, as we've observed from pretty much all the other parents we know.
Use the grandparents while they're young enough to take the kids for occasional weekends. A lot of people we know use the grandparents as main childcarers, doing the school runs and regularly taking them overnight during the week. It seems to be standard procedure and it makes so much sense, but it just didn't work out like that for us because we didn't have the foresight to live close to our parents, or to keep regular and routine contact with them.
Be interested to know what other parents on here do? Are you completely independent of your own parents, or do they chip in all the time? Or something in between.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Be interested to know what other parents on here do? Are you completely independent of your own parents, or do they chip in all the time? Or something in between.
We're completely independent. Neither of us has any family within 300 miles, so it's a but hard to just drop the kids off at grams and go out for a movie or dibber or whatever. We do have a neighbor who watches the kids from time to time, but we have to pay her.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: While I think of it, Damon's Off: was your second birth any easier than your first?
Yes. I think some of that was down to THE WHEEL, like I said, I went into labour at seven in the morning and I was home at three in the afternoon, no problems, delivery was about 40 minutes total. No time for an epidural, nothing. But I think a part of it was also that I knew slightly more what I was doing, I knew and was adamant about what I did and didn't want (I didn't want to be on my back with my legs up, seriously, I would have stabbed someone if they'd made me do that, it made me feel completely helpless and not in control, it gave me nothing to brace myself against and the thought of it made me panic like whoa). The lack of an epidural gave me a bit more of a feeling that was in control of what was going on as well, I must admit, and eventually led to that strange zen-like fascination I had with the birthing process and what my body was doing and why. The second birth was actually pretty cool, all told.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: I quite liked working with toddlers aged 2 because they can communicate but still like hugs and being read stories. Easy fucking peasy. It's the dreaded 3 when they start doing shit for themselves. Forget all I want for christmas is my two front teeth. It's all I want for my third birthday is the right to do dangerous, out of control shit, breaking stuff and asking, without fail, in succession for a million times: Why?
Beckett's priceless at the moment... Beckett: Can I have another chocolate? Me: No, you may not have another chocolate, if you're hungry you can have a banana. Beckett: *falls to the floor kicking the furniture* I DON'T LOVE YOU!! Me: Yeah, whatever, dude, I'm cool with that.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: We had four children spaced out over something like twelve years, and that's just stupid.
Dang, have you only done it four times in 12 years? Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by Damon's Off: *falls to the floor kicking the furniture*
This is your perfect blackmail material. In the age of modern technology you should be recording this all to digital and archiving it with plentiful and amusing notes, then when Beckett brings home his first honey from school, you can show it on the widescreen TV. As he cries on the sofa and his girlfriend doesn't know where to look you can say 'can I get you both a banana?' and hide in the kitchen.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Dang, have you only done it four times in 12 years?
Gosh, yeah. Now you mention it, it must be about four times by now. Phew. *proud* Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Be interested to know what other parents on here do? Are you completely independent of your own parents, or do they chip in all the time? Or something in between.
My mum lives about 400 miles away so she doesn't see her grandaughter nearly as often as she'd like. I don't know where my dad is living. R's mum died suddenly when I was pregnant, and his dad is always off travelling now so there you go. But we do get babysitters - we live on a caravan park full of pensioners, and the old ladies all adore our daughter and keep pestering us to let them take her out on walks and have her over for tea and stuff.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Gosh, yeah. Now you mention it, it must be about four times by now. Phew. *proud*
You have four kids? Ever consider using a condom? Oh, right.
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Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: We're completely independent. Neither of us has any family within 300 miles
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: My mum lives about 400 miles away so she doesn't see her grandaughter nearly as often as she'd like. I don't know where my dad is living. R's mum died suddenly when I was pregnant, and his dad is always off travelling now so there you go.
Interesting. I swear, the vast majority of people round where we live have family close by and use grandparents all the time for childcare. Must be a Northern England thing or something.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
I have just seen this - congratulations London! You look fantastic in the picture... hope you're feeling as well as you look.
I won't add to the mountain of advice you're getting, except to mention that everyone's experience of pain seems to be different. D hated pethidine and absolutely hated getting into a warm bath; she found the Tens machine of some use psychologically as a 'pain management' method, the epidural she had came a bit too late in the day to make much impact on the birth itself, though it did help that all they had to do was turn up the dosage during the 'stitching up' afterwards. In all of these things we've spoken to people who found the diametric opposite to be the case so it's really a question of sucking it and seeing. As it were.
One comment the midwife made at our ante-natal classes was that although contractions are painful, it's pain 'for a purpose' - ie. not pathological. It's preparing your body. D found that really helpful as a way of getting her head around the whole thing. She suffered a 3rd-degree tear when Sam was born but has recovered fully from that... although we were advised she should have a caesarean because Alex was looking to be another big baby (Sam = 9 lb 13oz at birth, Alex 8 lb 13).
The father won't be much 'use' at the birth, but that isn't really the point. Just having him there will be sufficient - for you both.
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Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: The father won't be much 'use' at the birth, but that isn't really the point. Just having him there will be sufficient - for you both.
I guess it depends on the type of birth she is planning. For my second and third sons births, I played the role of husband, doula, and at times, mid-wife.
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Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
R spent most of latter stages of labour being visibly terrified. The only time I shouted at him was to get him to move out of my eye-line because he was beginning to freak me out too. There really wasn't much for him to do but I was hugely glad he was there.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
W-what's a third degree tear? Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
Good for you, Ralph.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: W-what's a third degree tear?
shhh, now. Everything's going to be OK.
(It's a bad tear that goes right through to your arse. But don't worry! You probably won't get one. Also I had a second degree tear and that healed really quickly. Unless you have an enormo-baby like D, the way to avoid tears is to LISTEN TO YOUR MIDWIFE when she's telling you not to push for a bit. I didn't do this.)
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: W-what's a third degree tear?
When the doctor's eyes go like that ==>
Quite a lot of blood, but - blessedly - D reported that the pain vanished immediately as soon as Sam was out. As I said, she recovered fully and was even disappointed she wasn't going to give birth to Alex 'naturally'.
The childbirth horror stories that people delight so much in telling is one of the few things D found genuinely annoying during pregnancy. If someone starts and you've had enough of hearing it, don't hesitate to tell them to shut the fuck up.
Posted by ben (Member # 13) on :
lol - so much for my attempt to be reassuring. Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
horror stories... like these?
Emma explains how her daughter’s birth twelve years ago still affects her today. Anne's induction resulted in an emergency caesarean section. Rosie's homebirth ended in an emergency caesarean section. Carla had her first baby at 19 years old and suffered a placental abruption. She ended up having an emergency c-section and received terrible aftercare. Christine's homebirth ended in an emergency caesarean section. Amy, the intense pain and fear that Amy suffered during her long labour which resulted in an emergency section has left her deeply traumatised. Alison was not listened to by midwives, was in terrible pain, found gas and air unhelpful and was totally exhausted. Alison is deeply upset and suffers nightmares about the birth. Jessica was denied pain relief with no justification. She is now pregnant again. Lucy's induction resulted in a caesarean section and poor postnatal care. Poor communication and unsympathetic staff left Sonia deeply traumatised as a result of her caesarean delivery. Jo desperately wanted to avoid a caesarean but she was treated badly by a few unsympathetic and overstretched staff who did not respect her wishes or treat her with respect. Michaela was operated on without an effective anaesthetic and the notes made no reference to the incident. The affect on her life has been appalling and it has made her frightened to have another baby. Krystle had a caesarean and suffered an internal bleed. She was treated particularly badly by one midwife. Emma had a terrible experience during her caesarean section which was carried out without proper analgesia. She was told she was 'imagining' the pain by a nurse, despite the anaesthetist saying the analgesia was not right.
LA LA LA
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Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
You've been going on birthtrauma.com haven't you.
ETA: the thing about the internet is that people tend to want to talk about the bad stuff that's happened to them more than the good stuff, partly because it's cathartic, and partly because they want to shit you up. So bear that in mind.
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Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Yes, and I owe it all to you.
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: Interesting. I swear, the vast majority of people round where we live have family close by and use grandparents all the time for childcare. Must be a Northern England thing or something.
Distance isn't everything- rooster's parents are 1400 miles away while mine are 100 miles away. But that doesn't mean we see mine much more frequently than hers. In fact, my parents reacted to the news that we were expecting our first by going out to buy a puppy. How sweet, one might say, except that the result of said canine acquisition was they were completely unavailable to come to visit or help for most of my daughter's first six months, and have only visited sporatically since, and only with our assurances that we're not asking them to babysit or help around the house. Rooster's folks, on the other hand, came to stay with us for weeks around the time our daughter arrived, and are planning to do so again when our second little girl comes in a few months.
It's hard to say whether the disparity is entirely due to lack of interest or just a consequence of the fact that rooster is an only child, while I'm one of four, so there are more grandchildren competing for my parents' attention. Still...
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Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
quote:Yes, and I owe it all to you.
Dammit! Listen, I have a really low pain threshold. I'm terrified of blood and needles. If I have a bad headache, I think it's brain cancer. Nonetheless, I got through it, and I'd even go so far as to say I have happy memories of the labour and birth. It really will be fine. What Damon and ben said about trying to stay positive about the pain and everything is so crucial I think.
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Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Also, human beings have been giving birth since we....er began. So perhaps you should consider that the evolution of man hasn't really been scuppered by stories of a lack of decent drugs and a club-footed mid-wife cited from a website.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
froopy failed to mention that his sister has never ONCE had to pay for a babysitter for her three kids over the course of ten years, so I guess it is less about having one of many grandchildren and more about being the one who didn't have the first.
The birth part really isn't all that bad. Just get as informed as possible and practice standing up to domineering authority figures while under intense pressure.
Oh, and labor pain felt to me like the worse possible gas pain ever, so nothing like period cramps.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by ben: Good for you, Ralph.
I just don't want London getting the impression that there's only one birthing option available to her. The one where she's flat on her back and drugged out of her mind. No awards necessary, thank you.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
In case that's not clear London, ralph is offering a soberfist.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
yeah... what are you saying, ralph? That you'll come over and lend a hand?
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
Christ. I'm merely saying that she should research all of the options available to her. I'm not offering to lend either a hand or a fist.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
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[ 17.01.2008, 10:20: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
I LOVE THAT THIS THREAD IS STILL MOSTLY ABOUT FISTING. I'm very proud of myself for bringing it up.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
Have you considered having a homebirth, London?
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I'm considering everything. As a card-toting radical feminist I always thought, when I was way younger, that I would have a natural homebirth whatever. Then, as a drug-taking hipster, I decided that natural birth sounded gross and disgusting, not to mention barbaric, and that I wanted an elective c-section and as many drugs as I could get my hands on. Now, as a preggo, I have no fucking idea and am researching everything. All my friends back home who have had kids in hospitals have ended up with agonising labour, episiostomy and then an emergency c-section. The three who have given birth at home (in birthing pools) have avoided episiostomy and c-sections, though one girl had a 60 hour labour and ended up having an epileptic fit and needed to go to hospital and have a blood transfusion and whatever. The reports I've got about giving birth in Swedish hospitals seem to be ok. They generally seem to be pretty relaxed and hands-off here about the birthing thing, and the birth rate is ridiculously high...
...but it all sounds so dreadful and I don't fucking know. I hate the people who suggest it's some big 'rite of passage' that I have to go through to be a real woman. I wouldn't have a tooth out without painkiller, why should I have this? A bath doesn't do shit for my period pains, why will a big paddling pool magically numb the agony of labour? When I broke my leg I had gas and air and it was ok but didn't seem that strong, and in a way the broken leg didn't even hurt unless I tried to move it in any way. How can gas and air help with labour, which from what I can gather, feels far worse?
etc
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
I think the problem with the natural birth movement is that it started out being very feminist and empowering, but somewhere along the line it seems to have morphed into another way of bossing women around. I think you (general you) should be able to give birth in whatever way you see fit, without being sneered at for your choices. If you want an elective c-section at 7 months: fine. If you want to give birth in a bearskin rug in a tee-pee: fine. It really is nobody else's business.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: If you want to give birth in a bearskin rug in a tee-pee: fine. It really is nobody else's business.
Heh. I bet my wife would be up for this is we ever decide to go for baby number four.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Seems like the second you get pregnant (or 'are carrying the future generation!' as my mother over-excitedly put it) what you do with your body becomes everybody's business.
[ 17.01.2008, 10:53: Message edited by: London ]
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
Also London: if there was one thing that really spoiled my pregnancy, it was obsessing about the birth. I know everyone does, but still. It's pointless to try to describe the pain to you or predict what will happen, all anyone can do is offer suggestions based on what's happened to them. I got myself into such a state about the birth by the time I was full-term: it just seemed such an impossible thing. Looking back I wish I'd managed to chill out about it, because no part of it bore any resemblance to what I'd imagined for all that time.
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
oh yeah, apart from the bit where I'd imagined that a baby would come out of my vagina. That was pretty similar I guess.
Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
It's mad, isn't it? Having babies.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by Astromariner: I think the problem with the natural birth movement is that it started out being very feminist and empowering, but somewhere along the line it seems to have morphed into another way of bossing women around. I think you (general you) should be able to give birth in whatever way you see fit, without being sneered at for your choices. If you want an elective c-section at 7 months: fine. If you want to give birth in a bearskin rug in a tee-pee: fine. It really is nobody else's business.
Word. Also: afterwards, don't let the breastfeeding maffia do the same. I'm still breastfeeding now at 4 months, and I don't have a problem with it, but don't whatever you do let anyone tell you that you must or that you're a failure of a woman if you can't or, God forbid, CHOOSE not to. It's your body, what you do with it is your own damn business.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I wish I could make the baby come out of my mouth like I was doing a sick.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Damon's Off: Also: afterwards, don't let the breastfeeding maffia do the same. I'm still breastfeeding now at 4 months, and I don't have a problem with it, but don't whatever you do let anyone tell you that you must or that you're a failure of a woman if you can't or, God forbid, CHOOSE not to.
Is this a common problem? The mother of my children breastfed three of them for about a year each and had constant comments from friends, family and complete strangers along the lines of "still breastfeeding?" (this was from about two weeks onwards)
That was quite apart from the traditional problem of managing to feed in a public place without being dragged off to jail for public indecency.
Can't actually recall anyone saying anything positive about it that wasn't patronising.
But whatever.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
They have 'nursing rooms' in department stores and Macdonalds' here! Sweden is so advanced.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: They have 'nursing rooms' in department stores and Macdonalds' here! Sweden is so advanced.
Holland is similar, which probably means Sweden is about the same in their You Must Do This For At Least Six Months Exclusively Or You Are made Of Fail attitude. Do whatever feels right.
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
This thread has made me take a whole new look at this:
Instead of appearing to me, as it usually would, as a woman walking her pet spider on a leash, it's now appearing as perhaps an umbilical cord and a baby who's hit the ground a bit too fast. Good trajectory though.
So yeah, go for the water birth.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
If a man sucking on your tits is pleasurable and sexually arousing, is it different when a baby does it?
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: A bath doesn't do shit for my period pains, why will a big paddling pool magically numb the agony of labour?
I'm not a doctor or scientist, but I'd like to have a go at this if that's ok? Join in, armchair experts. I think it's because your period is uterus lining peeling away inside you and hot water might only really make your tummy a bit warmer and nicer. Giving birth in water would offer less pressure benefits because of the lightness water displacement can offer. I think.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: If a man sucking on your tits is pleasurable and sexually arousing, is it different when a baby does it?
Lol. I know you like them young amp, but.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Plus, you really should pay attention to DO. After the birth you're going to have breasts like stone that even fresh air will annoy.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
It's a serious question!
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: If a man sucking on your tits is pleasurable and sexually arousing, is it different when a baby does it?
My wife says it's different. It's pleasurable, but in a different way. But I'm sure it differs from momther to mother.
[ 17.01.2008, 11:58: Message edited by: ralph ]
Posted by Astromariner (Member # 446) on :
Some women do find it a turn-on, apparently. It's not really talked about for obvious reasons, but I remember this one woman on babycentre or somewhere similar, one of those parenting sites with problem columns anyway, asking whether it was normal that she orgasmed when she breastfed. She was understandably rather discomfited by it and thought she was a latent paedo. It's to do with the release of oxytocin, this mad hormone that's involved in pretty much all reproductive functions, even kickstarting labour. If you go overdue and want to get things started, you're supposed to sit twiddling your nipples for a couple of hours a day and that'll do the trick.
Anyway, I don't have personal experience of any of this because B was bottle-fed from the get go, as I wasn't sure my breasts were all wired up properly after the reduction I had a couple of years ago. As it turns out they work fine, so maybe I'll give it a go next time around.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay:
quote:Originally posted by London: If a man sucking on your tits is pleasurable and sexually arousing, is it different when a baby does it?
Lol. I know you like them young amp, but.
lol
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
I know many women who told me that if they had known breast-feeding was so difficult, they would have stuck with it for longer, instead of feeling like a failure or like their breasts weren't cut out for it.
I had many agonizing days crying that my daughter hated my nipples because it is really TOUGH. It hurts, yes, but also you have this mewling writhing infant who knows they want something, but can't really figure out where it comes from and how exactly to get it. Our situation was exacerbated by the fact that the asshole doctors in the hospital supplemented the baby for no apparent reason (turning her into an immediate gratification monster).
We eventually worked it out and I nursed her for 16 months (after 1 month she really never had a bottle).
I think it is kind of strange that women say that they didn't have enough milk or the baby all of a sudden refused to nurse. Barring any unusual medical complications (or breast alterations) this just doesn't seem possible. Just think: if we were in primitive times the baby wouldn't starve - they'd eventually start nursing again and the mother would provide plenty of milk.
Sorry, you can see I'm a bit of a nursing Nazi - it sure is any woman's prerogative to make their own decisions re: the birth and what they do afterwards, but it ticks me off that so many make these decisions without having any information or without thinking it through. I think the American culture is worse this way (though I've heard it is really frowned upon in England to nurse in public?)...
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
Pffft. 16 months? And you call yourself a breastfedding Nazi? My 8 year old is still on the breast*.
*he's not really.
[ 18.01.2008, 06:50: Message edited by: ralph ]
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: My old year old is still on the breast*.
How old year old is your ?
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
My little girl stopped the tit on her 2nd birthday (our decision, she'd still be feeding if she had the choice as she still "goes for it" on occasion) and never had a bottle. She turned her nose up at expressed milk bottles... Straight from the tap or nuffink. She's now 4 and still co-sleeps.
This could all be down to the fact that when I was holding her at 3 seconds old and marveling at how wonderful she was, I whispered "Boys stink, stay away from boys" because I knew I wouldn't be allowed to lock her up til 35 so I thought I'd point her down the path of lesbianism else I'd be in jail for beating up a 12 year old 'boyfriend'.
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London, I know this means sweet fuck all coming from a bloke, not to mention it is me but what DO and Astro and Rooster said about not letting others push you into something is spot on.
Of course a no-drug birth is better for the baby as it won't have any drugs in it. But the mother being filled with stress/pain/misery/whatever can't be good either. Do what you need to do to make the delivery be what you want it to be.
And, you WILL be pressured about breast feeding... Both sides. If you do breast feed, you'll get people whinging about doing it in a restaurant or that the baby is older than 4 months so you should stop now. If you don't breast feed you'll be a monster who doesn't care about the health of your child and have failed in giving it the best chance.
We've been around this planet for millions of years. Whether or not you let it suckle or give it a bottle of SMA won't make a great deal of difference. Though if you feel pressured into something or that you've failed some how, that just wouldn't be cricket.
I didn't say any of this though as the site I run is primarily attachment parents and I'd be strung up if I didn't tell you that breastfeeding, natural birth, cloth nappies (surprisingly easy to use and a hell of a lot cheaper than disposables!), co-sleeping, baby wearing, and baby-led development WAS the only way to be.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
I can't be bothered to do ALL of that good for the earth and baby stuff, but kudos to those who do! Had to add one other benefit of breast feeding is that it saves you loads of money - put all the money you saved into a fund to buy yourself something nice after the child is weened. I guess buying formula is good for the economy, so I suppose there is some benefit to that...
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I'm gonna try breastfeeding just because my friend who had a baby said it was really easy and hassle-free rather than messing around with bottles and heating things up and whatever. And I'm very lazy, so easy things appeal greatly.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by sabian: Whether or not you let it suckle or give it a bottle of SMA won't make a great deal of difference.
There is one overriding argument against SMA, and that's the advert they're running on TV at the moment. I don't think they're allowed to actually name the product or specifically promote it (bit like fags and booze ads used to be), so they've gone for the most nauseating depiction of a happy family that it's possible to imagine.
It might be on YouTube if there's a category for sick-makingly twee adverts of the early 21st Century.
EDIT: I thought it might be available on their website but I can't find it. What I did find horrified me. It says, "Join our free Baby Club and receive your DVD today. Celebrity Mum Kirstie Allsopp and a qualified midwife take you through all you need to know during the first 48 hours of bringing your baby home."
Are they saying that Kirstie Allsopp doesn't breastfeed?? WTF?? She could feed a Roman legion with those things.
[ 18.01.2008, 04:33: Message edited by: dang65 ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
There's an image.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
hello I am v drunk and still in colorado (is v cold).ey.
Period pains are like labour because it is contractions to open the way for the uterus-lining to come out - rather than baby come out. so = same concept.
Also. I forget. Um Tonight I saw scientists dancing flamenco (quite well) to Bob Marley.
I better go now.
Im going skiing tomorrow in the arctic temps. If I die can you have one of those touching/yet/wierd online funerals?
Thanks,
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
I had a wierd dream that after the birth Londie was so stretched out I was wearing her like a dappy hat.
*Shivers*
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Did you really really ACTUALLY dream that, or is that just a funny story for the interweb.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
day-dream, it's the whole dappy hat image that makes it so appealing.
[ 18.01.2008, 06:09: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by dang65: There is one overriding argument against SMA, and that's the advert they're running on TV at the moment.
It is illegal to have FORUMLA adverts on telly, but they get around it by advertising their "follow-on milk" which is for 6-12 month olds... Cow&Gate do the same with their "follow-on milk" but both adverts whilst saying it's for older children, are filled with babies and well slept happy parents.
So, what they are doing isn't illegal, just the television equiv of pumping fresh bread smell through Sainsburys' air vents. It doesn't matter that it's a Local and you KNOW the bread that's on the shelves is 3 weeks old, the smell is enough for you to buy a few dozen Krispy Kreme. Same with the advert. You KNOW it's a "follow-on milk", but mentally you don't give a shit if it is strychnine if it means you'd be able to sleep for more than 20 mins at a go.
ETA They spend LOADS for online advertising though. mumsnet ran a campaign for them last year and was rumoured to cost SMA £40k for a 3 week run.
Best I can do is £1000 from online shops... fucking mumsnet
[ 18.01.2008, 06:25: Message edited by: sabian ]
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by sabian: I didn't say any of this though ***as the site I run is primarily attachment parents*** and I'd be strung up if I didn't tell you that breastfeeding, natural birth, cloth nappies (surprisingly easy to use and a hell of a lot cheaper than disposables!), co-sleeping, baby wearing, and baby-led development WAS the only way to be.
What site might this be?
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
What the heck is follow-on milk? Over here the consensus is avoid all milk until 1 year (and I don't like to give loads of it to my daughter anyway, even though she's almost three).
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by rooster: What the heck is follow-on milk? Over here the consensus is avoid all milk until 1 year (and I don't like to give loads of it to my daughter anyway, even though she's almost three).
It's the 6-12 months second stage of powdered formula. As Sabian says, only really advertised so heavily because the companies making it aren't allowed to advertise the 0-6 month first stage (they aren't allowed to here either).
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
But this being Holland you can see naked beasts on TV any time you want !
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
I can see breasts on TV any time I want, but that's because I have Playboy On Demand.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
We get them in adverts for shower gels, full frontal nips and all during breakfast.
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
lucky dogs. that would certainly save me $30 bucks a month.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
"I don't care what people say. You don't *have* to breast-feed. I don't want some baby drinking from me!" Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
Only because breast feeding from Jordan would be like sucking from a caulking gun!
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Don't you just love Jordan though?
Jordan maybe, but those journalist that go on about, "Actually, that makes me sound like a fanatic, like the Maenads from the NCT, which I’m not."... are tiresome. [* looks up Maenad * Uh-huh, ok, goddit.]
Those journalsts are the same sort of people who go on about "those low energy lightbulb fascists" or "that 'Super Size Me' idiot".
Obviously, breastfeeding is a personal choice, as is using low energy lightbulbs (at the moment) or eating junk, but the message is "breastfeeding is natural and it's good for the child and the mother".
Formula milk is a commercial money machine and SMA or Nestle pour millions into shoving the idea down people's throats (from birth, literally), but when someone tries to promote free, healthy, natural breastmilk they get called Maenads by some loon in the paper!
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
I'm still reeling from the revelation that Sabian is a hippy.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
Only when it comes to raising my kids Herbs...
Though, that said, I had a veggie moussaka the other day from the vegan place in Portobello and I now prefer a falafel over a Big Mac so who knows...
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I'm gonna try it. I think it sounds kind of extreme and wierd and interesting.
it = breastfeeding
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: I think it sounds kind of extreme and wierd and interesting.
It shouldn't really be considered extreme or wierd, though. I mean it's actually nature's intended purpose for lovely lady lumps, after all.
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: I'm gonna try it. I think it sounds kind of extreme and wierd and interesting.
it = breastfeeding
Watch me do it and type at the same time! Not very quickly, obviously. The typing, I mean.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
From what I've seen personally and 'experienced' through others' story... Breastfeeding is something that is super-duper magical if it happens easily.
The mothers (and/or babies) who don't get it quite right so it involves a lot of faffing about to get going, those are the ones where the stress and disappointment is profound.
I still remember my little one's eyes when she would start to feed. Her eyes would roll to the back of her head and she'd just go completely limp. At one point I had to make sure that it was indeed breastmilk coming out and not opium.
Good luck London. There are LOADS of places to get help from places like La Leche and Lactivist* to get help from.
* Cool shop too! Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by sabian: I still remember my little one's eyes when she would start to feed. Her eyes would roll to the back of her head and she'd just go completely limp.
Ah, yeah, that is quite an amazing thing to witness. *goes all soppy for a minute* Posted by dance margarita (Member # 848) on :
should i ever reproduce i fully intend to try breastfeeding. i have a feeling i will be the crunchiest of co- sleeping, washable nappy- changing, baby- massaging, makaton- learning mummy you can possibly get. and yet... the expression 'mummy milk' make sme want to punch a baby in the face.
[ 18.01.2008, 11:02: Message edited by: dance margarita ]
Posted by Damon's Off (Member # 3) on :
quote:Originally posted by dance margarita: and yet... the expression 'mummy milk' makes me want to punch a baby in the face.
Seconded. Fucking hippies.
[ 18.01.2008, 11:07: Message edited by: Damon's Off ]
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Yeah, 'mummy milk' is totes woman-as-cattle ASSTR porn fodder, no?
And Misc, just because something's natural doesn't make it not extreme. I mean a giant baby's head and shoulders coming out of yr vadge and ripping a big hole between vadge and bum, that's natural, but that's as extreme as it gets without actually dying, imho.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
W...W..wushuuuup. Mummy Milk True. Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
So much baby-centred stuff is gag-inducing, though natch should I manage to spawn a live baby from my wizened carcass, it will all be simply magical.
eg: baby on board stickers. Infant being referred to as 'baby' rather than 'the' or 'your baby' baby einsten paraphenalia. Leave the poor kid alone.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
do you think it would be quite fun, if your partner pissed you off, to squeeze milk all over their face while they were sleeping and take photos? i do.
Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
In the manner of jizz? Yes.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: Infant being referred to as 'baby' rather than 'the' or 'your baby'
On the ITV News bulletin last night they kept referring to that plane that crashed as "she".
Despite being grieviously stricken, she managed to limp the last few miles to home, bringing all her passengers in to a safe stop before collapsing to the ground.
It's a lump of fucking metal you idiots! And "she" nearly killed hundreds of people by throwing a fucking wobbly in the middle of the air. Maybe it was "her" time of the month or something. Posted by herbs (Member # 101) on :
Wouldn't it be because ships are always referred to as 'she', and so planes are like ships in the sky?
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
Speaking as someone who is really far from home and getting a BA flight on Monday Im just really pumped about the whole stopping-working-and-falling-out-of-the-sky thing. Yep. It is just great.
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph: What site might this be?
Don't know if you've seen it but incase not and you think I'm ignoring you, look at your sms email.
Posted by dang65 (Member # 102) on :
quote:Originally posted by herbs: Wouldn't it be because ships are always referred to as 'she', and so planes are like ships in the sky?
Yeah, that one stayed up in the sky exactly like a ship doesn't, so you might be right.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by sabian: Don't know if you've seen it but incase not and you think I'm ignoring you, look at your sms email.
Your secret is safe with me.
Freak.
[ 18.01.2008, 14:53: Message edited by: ralph ]
Posted by doc d (Member # 781) on :
well done!
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
Wow - late to all this but congratulations Amp! Really happy for you.
Posted by sam (Member # 884) on :
I'm pretty late to this news too, but it's great news! Congratulations London; you're cooking, and looking, good. Posted by Sidney (Member # 399) on :
Hullo London! Congratulations to you - what lovely news! Your bump is indeed looking beautiful. I will keep my Top Tips short and sweet;
1. DO NOT listen to any birth horror stories. It's different for everyone and the biggest obstacle you can face in childbirth is fear. We're currently considering going for number four - if it was that horrific an experience, we wouldn't have got past number one.
2. To prepare for the birth, look into Hypnobirthing. Seriously - I swear by it. There is an excellent book (with CD) available by Marie Mongan. There are also classes/courses you can attend (you'll be spolit for choice if you can attend them in London).
3. To prepare for breast-feeding, read What to Expect When You're Breast-feeding and What if You Can't... This is a really, really useful and informative book. I can loan you my copy if you want, just let me know.
In fact, drop me a line any time you want if you want to talk about anything pregnancy, childbirth or baby related.
[ 20.01.2008, 11:01: Message edited by: Sidney ]
Posted by Sidney (Member # 399) on :
Oh, I forgot!
4. Clarins Body Treatment Oil - wonderful stuff. Massage it into your bump. It's lovely on the skin and smells really nice.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Thanks everyone! I may well take you up on your offers of advice - we're all friends on Facebook right, so I can mail you there? The main thing I'm trying to do right now is, as Astro says, not ruin the rest of the pregnancy by freaking out about the birth. I mean I guess it's going to happen whether or not I worry about it isn't it, so what's the point?
Posted by Sidney (Member # 399) on :
It is somewhat inevitable, yes! I think that hypnobirthing will really help you. Even if you just read up on it and understand the principles behind it. That's all that I did (as I live in the arse-end of nowhere, there are no such frivolities as hypnobirthing classes to be found nearby) and what could have easily been a distressing delivery turned out to be awesome. Yes, that's right. AWESOME. Two puffs of gas and air, two concentrated deep pushes and there he was; all wide-eyed and flailing and gurgling and beautiful.
You can reach me via Facebook, yes. Any time you want to chat or ask about stuff. Seriously - I've got advice and book recommendations coming out of my goddamn ears.
Posted by jnhoj (Member # 286) on :
When you get round to breastfeeding if you could put it on youtube that would be fantastic
But congratulations!
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
lol @ johnj. yeah alright m8 i will.
All my bras are fucking killing me. I have new ones and I bought a 'bra extender' which is this sexy little thing that makes them bigger and still they don't fit. But I swear my tits are not THAT much bigger. I think my RIBS are expanding? Is this normal? It hurts so much!
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
The only way to tell for sure is before&after pictures London.
Posted by Carter (Member # 426) on :
Your ribs are getting pushed out and up by the expanding uterus putting the squeeze on your diaphragm.
That will be tweny poun.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
Just pray it doesn't break through and start grabbing at your lungs.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Is it true that they turn the epidural back down for the pushing part? And that that is ridiculous painful, since your body hasn't been building up the endorphin response it would have done had you been birthing naturally? Is there any way you can request that they not do that? Surely if you have a moving epidural (as I will be) then it isn't necessary?
Yeah hi I totally still haven't gone into labour can you tell.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
Shall we have a pool on when it'll come, I say Sunday.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
Late friday night.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Saturday, during the Home and Away omnibus on Five.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
6 am Friday morning.
Posted by dance margarita (Member # 848) on :
Ampus, my other pregnant friend went into labour on jimmy's dvd date! Shes still in labour. I didnt even know thats possible, but apparently so. I think she's just been at home going 'ohh... OHHH... OH FUCK... FUUUUGNGNNHUUUCCKK... FUUU... fuh... oh? oh. okay. fine. Whatevs. Shall we watch holby city?'
edit: re- reading this post i realise that it comes off all, 'oh hello, im not pregnant, heres a horror story to freak you out, arent i kind, no need to thank me!' so i will make it clear that my friend says that it has been tiring and painful, yes, but having her sister there to make her laugh has made it all bearable.
[ 05.06.2008, 07:01: Message edited by: dance margarita ]
Posted by dance margarita (Member # 848) on :
i'm told nipple twiddling is very helpful. i'm wondering if it would be of any use if the forum twiddled their own nipples in solidarity with you. Would that make a difference, do you suppose? Cos i've got a pretty quiet day ahead of me- I've got to buy a fridge and stuff, but you know- and could easily commit to a half an hour or so of dreamily experimental kneading in a good cause. I'm sure everyone else would agree. I can just picture thorn in the disabled loos at work, tweaking away.
Posted by dance margarita (Member # 848) on :
...mumbling earnestly to himself. 'come on jimmy. Come on little fella. Your mummys getting very impatient'.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
My new office doesn't have a disabled loos. It's just a cupboard under the stairs. Makes taking a shit quite disconcerting because you're sort of aware that maybe everyone else can hear you, howling and straining, blasting thick waste into the porcelain.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
My colleague broke 'the code' recently by striking up a conversation with me in the toilet. Suprisingly it gave me the bravo I needed to sputter one out and was complimented and the fact it sounded like a pile of dried leaves being shove around with a can of shaving foam. Homerotic, yet fun.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
urgh.
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Yeah, I totally knew you'd love that.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
If someone tries to talk to you in the toilet you're not only allowed, but actively encouraged to drown them out with anus song
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I'm so bored and frustrated I could cry.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
I imagine amp feels more so
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Nah.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
I had a shave
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
I was going to suggest you do that. Well done.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I just went to the toilet. Nobody was in there. It would've been quite peaceful, were it not for the sound of cackling hags in the ladies' toilet downstairs. I could hear pretty much every word of their inane conversation about theckth and the fucking thity. Apparently one of them knows someone who went to the see the film in New York! The other replied "Oooooh, the Big Apple!"...
I shat with deliberate vigour, imagining the waste pipe to be open to the storey beneath.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Not that Misc hates women or anything.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
To be fair, I don't get the impression Misc likes anything. Nothing seems to make him happy, except maybe sitting in his loft tinkering with objects.
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
I'm very excited as I've managed to book the day off work tomorrow to go fishing at some lake I've 'found' in Macclesfield - in the middle of the woods, probably with nobody else there. I've not been for a very long time and I can't stop tapping my feet in anticipation. I'm oozing with early-teen-years excitement. I doubt I'll be getting much sleep tonight. I've even bought a snazzy new camera off Ebay last night and am picking it up after work, in order that I can take lots of lovely pictures, hopefully of big fat carp.
Beat that for sad as fuck.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
Misc. has always struck me as being the most normal person at tmo.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zygote: Beat that for sad as fuck.
That actually sounds like an excellent way to spend a day. I used to do a lot of fishing (i.e. drinking and smoking pot) in my youth. I'm envious. I expect pictures dammit.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I really don't hate women, London. In fact I've been in a relationship with one of them for over 4,000 days!
Posted by dance margarita (Member # 848) on :
some of my best friends are black. well, brown. well, tanned. well, st tropez.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by dance margarita: some of my best friends are black. well, brown. well, tanned. well, st tropez.
What exactly is that meant to imply, DM?
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
To be fair Misc, London likes men to be some kind of cute, passive and ultimately killable sperm donors. You haven't got a chance of measuring up to that so you might as well go back to your womanising and telling women to shut their bitch-whore mouths.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
...don't forget imagining taking a shit on them while they're talking about Sex and the City, the cackling hags! Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I just checked my friends list on Facebook and it seems I have one more male friend than I do females.
So this perceived misogyny is all Ralph's fault! Posted by dance margarita (Member # 848) on :
as a serious defence of an accusation of misogyny, 'i have a girlfriend' would be a tiny lame. If it was a serious defence, which i dont really imagine it was.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: ...don't forget imagining taking a shit on them while they're talking about Sex and the City, the cackling hags!
I'm not saying that I don't hate any women.
Christ, is this really that hard for you to understand?
LOL, I tried to make a Venn diagram to illustrate the proportion of people I hate from each sex, but that just made it look like I hate all transgendereds.
[ 05.06.2008, 08:02: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: I really don't hate women, London. In fact I've been in a relationship with one of them for over 4,000 days!
Godd. Isn't this like what Brent quotes Finchy as saying in The Office? "How could I hate women? My mother is one".
Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
I was going to give you a hand with the Black Widow and Brian Blessed, but now Thorn's here, you're fucked.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: I just checked my friends list on Facebook and it seems I have one more male friend than I do females.
So this perceived misogyny is all Ralph's fault!
problem solved Posted by New Way Of Decay (Member # 106) on :
Do you feel anything yet, amp?
Posted by Louche (Member # 450) on :
Surely shitting on women talking about sex and the cocking City is a step forward for feminism.
I'm not sure I'm prepared to expand on how I came to that conclusion, by the way.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by New Way Of Decay: Do you feel anything yet, amp?
I felt like having a go at Misc.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Like a craving?
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
I hate women, if that's any help.
Posted by Jimmy Big Nuts (Member # 895) on :
tits flapping everywhere when they run, yuck.
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy Big Nuts: tits flapping everywhere when they run, yuck.
edit: yes i know it's been posted somewhere on here before
[ 05.06.2008, 10:06: Message edited by: froopyscot ]
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
do not click on FF+G.
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
I thought that the largest size plus 'jogging' produced the most, erm, spectacular results. Your mileage may vary.
[ 05.06.2008, 10:19: Message edited by: froopyscot ]
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I do not hate tits.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
(women's tits)
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
There are other things I don't hate, btw.
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
That doesn't mean you don't hate women though. You might crave and yearn for tits and women's hips and buttocks and lips and soft skin but then oh god those bitches make you so mad because the joke and laugh with other men and each other and you're not included and they only ever go out with BASTARDS anyway and women keep syaing you're a nice guy but they just don't see you that way because women don't like nic guys like you and god you want them so much why do those dirty little teases behave like that the sluts.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
LOL.
Posted by Ringo (Member # 47) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: That doesn't mean you don't hate women though. You might crave and yearn for tits and women's hips and buttocks and lips and soft skin but then oh god those bitches make you so mad because the joke and laugh with other men and each other and you're not included and they only ever go out with BASTARDS anyway and women keep syaing you're a nice guy but they just don't see you that way because women don't like nic guys like you and god you want them so much why do those dirty little teases behave like that the sluts.
Accurate
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
It's sad that you see things that way, Ringo.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Bootybots. Erotobots.
If this isn't the signature of a woman hater then I'm a white man. Women are more than just machines designed to satisy your filthy desires, Misc.
[ 05.06.2008, 11:13: Message edited by: ralph ]
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph:
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Bootybots. Erotobots.
If this isn't the signature of a woman hater then I'm a white man. Women are more than just machines designed to satisy your filthy desires, Misc.
Of course women are far more than that. But bootybots and erotobots are, one imagines, exactly what you describe above.
Damned porch monkey.
[ 05.06.2008, 11:19: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: Of course women are far more than that.
Oh you mean cooking and cleaning? Oh Misc. Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
As a matter of fact I'll be cooking dinner tonight, seeing as it's steak.
[ 05.06.2008, 11:47: Message edited by: MiscellaneousFiles ]
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
lol. smart move. what the hell do those bitches know about cooking a steak, eh? Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Word, homez!
Posted by dance margarita (Member # 848) on :
yeah. only a fool or a homo would trust the business of charring to a woman, after all.
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
Where I come from we throw the steaks straight on the ashes.
We eat them as well.
Posted by dance margarita (Member # 848) on :
yeah. only a fool or a homo would trust the business of charring to a woman, after all.
Posted by McDirts (Member # 6680) on :
Yeah.
Idiots.
Posted by ralph (Member # 773) on :
and misc is no fool.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
How about this:
I'll ask Kellifer if she wants to cook the steak, just in case it might seem like I hate women. If she would prefer to cook it herself, then I'll happily relax with a beer (like some kind of evil misogynist) while she does all the hard work. If on the other hand she isn't bothered, then I'll cook it (like some kind of evil misogynist).
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Is it true that they turn the epidural back down for the pushing part? And that that is ridiculous painful, since your body hasn't been building up the endorphin response it would have done had you been birthing naturally? Is there any way you can request that they not do that? Surely if you have a moving epidural (as I will be) then it isn't necessary?
They don't necessarily turn it down; however, they might give you a dose that isn't strong enough because they want you to feel to push (like the a-hole I had this time did). Also, it seems to be effected by gravity, so unless you are somewhat upright, the drugs won't get to the place you need it when the baby starts to come out. The pain travels down with the baby.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I cooked it in the end. Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
quote:Originally posted by MiscellaneousFiles: I cooked it in the end.
Oh Misc Why do you hate women so much?
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
Has London had her baby yet? I can't understand the confusing in-language of this interweb chate board. There should be something in the FAQs telling me if she's had her baby yet.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
If she's had it, then she hasn't told TMO yet.
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
But she hasn't posted today so she may be having it right now
[ 07.06.2008, 13:25: Message edited by: Cherry In Hove ]
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
Her Twitter page was updated an hour a go with no sign of a birth as yet
Posted by jonesy999 (Member # 5) on :
I wonder if it has any inkling it's about to be born.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Is it about to be born? I fucking hope so.
Yeah, try twitter for all the deeply fascinating breaking news about the state of my fangina. It seems pretty intact at present. Last night I went to a party and drank a whole flask of raspberry leaf tea (I'm so rock'n'roll). I had a bunch of contractions and twinges in the night but then they subsided and the little bugger is still in there.
I think he should be born today because it's a bit cloudy and it's not like I've got anything better to do. Posted by Sidney (Member # 399) on :
Sorry to hear that you're still waiting, London. How massively frustrating! What happens in Sweden with regard to overdue pregnancies? I would imagine that they're a bit more relaxed about it over there than in the UK.
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
I go to hospital tomorrow (41+5) for CTG and ultrasound to check all is ok. About sweeps / inductions, I do not know. But my parents are coming to vist on 13th June and I really feel like I should have a baby to show them by then....
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
You know sex is known to act in a similar fashion to a sweep... Semen softens your cervix and an orgasm causes a powerful uterine contraction which causes a domino effect and brings about the birth...
So, it's cloudy and Sunday with nothing better to do... I reckon you should go out and get properly shagged.
Posted by Waynster (Member # 56) on :
quote:Originally posted by sabian: You know sex is known to act in a similar fashion to a sweep... Semen softens your cervix and an orgasm causes a powerful uterine contraction which causes a domino effect and brings about the birth...
So, it's cloudy and Sunday with nothing better to do... I reckon you should go out and get properly shagged.
My ex girlfriend was an advocate of orgasm-induced childbirth, so may be worth a shot
[ 08.06.2008, 06:16: Message edited by: Waynster ]
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
It's what everyone will tell you if they are against medical intervention or believe that it should be as natural as possible...
Believe me, I know...
Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Yeah I forgot to say... I have done sex / orgasm / nipple twiddling / raspberry leaf tea / birth ball bouncing / pineapple eating / absolutely everything. My friend and I even tried a virtual induction over IM, check it out: Sophie: oh i got you a baby AMP: thank fuck! AMP: this one's clearly not working out properly Sophie: maybe just a little sleepy? AMP: just lazy and hates deadlines can't think who he takes after in that Sophie: no me neither although why your baby would take after ME i have no idea AMP: hee hee Sophie: maybe i am The Real Father AMP: he's born to freelance Sophie: that could be a new bruce springsteen song Born To Freelance Sophie: so this baby shall i get a big poking stick? maybe tickle you with a feather duster AMP: dunno, i've tried everything sex, jumping on trampoline, eating pineapples, eating spicy food nipple twiddling raspberry leaf tea EVERYTHING Sophie: hahah happpppy thoughts little baby come out of your bum come out, come out AMP: yay today i hope GET OUT JIMMY Sophie: maybe i could induce him via IM AMP: do it Sophie: would that be a first? AMP: shove a virtual pessary Sophie: hmm AMP: up my virtual front bum i'm ready Sophie: yeah baby AMP: i'm braced Sophie: PESSARY PESSARY MAKE AMP'S FRONT BUM A MESSARY AMP: gneeee i think it's working Sophie: HERE IS VIRTUAL LABOUR FROM AN INTERNET SAVIOUR AMP: SQUEAL Sophie: JIMMY JIMMY YOU'RE INDUCED Sophie: ITS OVER NINE MONTHS SINCE YOUR PARENTS REPRODUCED SO COME ON JIMMY FEEL THE PESSARY FROTHING AND SLIDING AND MAKE TONIGHT THE NIGHT FOR YOUR WINKIE TO START SUBSIDING DOWN THE VALLEY THEY CALL MAMA ALONG THE FJORDS OF AMP TRY TO JEMMY YOUR WAY OUT DOWN THE BABY RAMP AMP: sophus, you're a geniass Sophie: is it there yet? oof i heard a splat AMP: eep Sophie: little swedish baby AMP: i think the baby is.... BROWN Sophie: OH WOW its like a benetton advert AMP: no wait wait IT'S GINGER! Sophie: a brown, ginger, scandinavian baby OH WOW ITS BROWN AND GINGER it's a double-whammy. a double-jimmy AMP: good old jimmy AMP: GET OUT JIMMY AMP: GET OUT JIMMY AMP: GET OUT JIMMY
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
Maybe you just haven't had the right sex...
I did it... Maybe it just takes a certain type of man! Posted by mart (Member # 32) on :
Maybe it need to be the father of the child...
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
Not in my case! Posted by sam (Member # 884) on :
quote:Originally posted by mart: Maybe it need to be the father of the child...
LOL
Posted by rooster (Member # 738) on :
Good luck w/your hospital visit amp! I am a big proponent of orgasms to move things along too; however, for me, they just kind of got me ready for labor as I was six/seven cm dilated w/out going into labor and pretty much stayed there until the docs broke my water. Sure, I would have eventually had the baby (or I'm imagining I would have), but the docs were concerned about size and timing, etc., so went ahead w/the induction.
Had I gone 42 weeks, she would have been over 10 lbs, which I guess isn't unmanageable, but 9 lbs was probably much easier.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
what is a sweep?
Posted by sabian (Member # 6) on :
It's when a midwife or doctor 'sweeps' your cervix with their fingers which stimulates the womb to release prostaglandins. Prostaglandins is the hormone that helps bring about labour. You'll have 2, maybe 3, sweeps before other inducement methods are used which then include injections of even more prostaglandins or the insertion of something very much akin to a crochet hook to break the waters to force labour.
Posted by Abby (Member # 582) on :
nice.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
Whatever happened to LowLevel?
Posted by Kanye West (Member # 837) on :
beat himself to death after he caught himself looking at his wife funny.
Posted by Sidney (Member # 399) on :
Hope all goes well at the hospital today, London. Your virtual induction made me laugh.
I've never had a sweep myself but I think that your cervix has to be 'favourable' before they will do it (in a good position and sufficeintly effaced).
I had an induction last time. I was expecting it to be horrendous (because that's all you ever hear about - the horror stories) but it really, really wasn't at all. It was very quick and a little intense right at the end but it wasn't traumatising or horrific at all. So, if you end up going down that route, please don't feel worried, sad or scared about it.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
Have you tried a lamb madras?
Posted by Cherry In Hove (Member # 49) on :
Black Mask!
Ages ago I was talking about a chilli I cooked using chunks of beef rather than mince, and you recommended putting pork mince as well as the chunks of beef. (I can't find the original thread)
Anyway. I cooked a chillin on Saturday using the beef chunks and pork mince and it was absolutely amazing. Thank you very much for your suggestion.
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: Black Mask!
Ages ago I was talking about a chilli I cooked using chunks of beef rather than mince, and you recommended putting pork mince as well as the chunks of beef. (I can't find the original thread)
Anyway. I cooked a chillin on Saturday using the beef chunks and pork mince and it was absolutely amazing. Thank you very much for your suggestion.
My pleasure. You might want to try using these, too.
Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
I just got invited to a meeting in Stockholm on Thursday (Finland Friday) maybe I could drop by and induce you ? Posted by London (Member # 29) on :
Heh... ok, it'll have to be early though as the hospital are planning on inducing on Thursday at 7.30 in the morning (fun) so you'll need to get in there first!
Posted by Black Mask (Member # 185) on :
quote:Originally posted by Abby: what is a sweep?
It's not a very good choice of word. It's not like you've got a load of old leaves up there, is it? Is it?
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
When you're at the checkout, and you hear the beep... Posted by Darryn.R (Member # 1) on :
quote:Originally posted by London: Heh... ok, it'll have to be early though as the hospital are planning on inducing on Thursday at 7.30 in the morning (fun) so you'll need to get in there first!
Maybe I can switch Finland to Thursday, good luck Amp !
Posted by Sidney (Member # 399) on :
Fingers crossed for Thursday, London. You'll be ok. Not long to go now. I was induced last time so if you want to email to chate about it, please feel free.
Posted by froopyscot (Member # 178) on :
If having sex is effective generally in triggering labor, then would having group sex be even more effective? Just saying.
Posted by MiscellaneousFiles (Member # 60) on :
I bet foetuses hate rampant rabbits.
Posted by Zygote (Member # 883) on :
quote:Originally posted by ralph:
quote:Originally posted by Zygote: Beat that for sad as fuck.
That actually sounds like an excellent way to spend a day. I used to do a lot of fishing (i.e. drinking and smoking pot) in my youth. I'm envious. I expect pictures dammit.
Oh... okay then ralph. Here are some of the 'action shots' that illustrate my capture of a Wels catfish that I caught whilst fishing last week. It was a feisty little bugger that took about half an hour to land. The cap, by the way, was to prevent the sun from searing my forehead.
Zygote, looking decidedly gay:
Not sure what possessed me in this one, but it can't get any worse, surely:
Fin.
[ 17.06.2008, 09:28: Message edited by: Zygote ]
Posted by Thorn Davis (Member # 65) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zygote:
Fin.
Are you young Ian Hislop?
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