Unlike the rest of you, I chose NOT to have a real life this weekend. Instead, I trolled a few borderline boards (all by myself - a strange experience, and not a healthy one).
Driven by an apparent lack of anything on terrestrial TV, and irritation with this week's paperback, I resorted to dear old handbag. Tried to get a few discussions going, but that didn't work. Animal rights? Forget it - you're welcome to spout uninformed, emotionally excessive "opinions", but don't ask us to think about it or we'll shout at you!
Anyway, the most lively BB conversation of the entire weekend turned out to be a discussion of TMO - amongst TMO members (mostly), posting under their handbag names.
here
I was wondering ....
Do you guys talk to each other at weekends, by other means? If you don't, does that mean you're strictly Mon-Fri buddies?
Do you agree that it would be good for TMO to have more members? And maybe of a slightly different calibre?
Would it annoy you if the forum acquired new members who didn't fit into the creative/media/IT mould that seems to prevail here?
I don't think TMO is scathingly vile to newbies in fact. But, when someone new appears, is your instinct to welcome them, test them out - or just to wait and see?
Answers on a postcard, please ....
The water's fine...
But then, look at my post count 
- I have got quieter and quieter over the past year, partly due to work situations and partly because the forum 'gods' (to coin a phrase) do sometimes make me feel a bit stupid/ill-informed/clumsy with words, and I do occasionally feel like my erudition is being weighed and found wanting, whilst other forum regulars over-indulge themselves with sparkling witty prose which makes me both jealous and resentful at my lack of equivalent talents.
Whilst I wouldn't want the forum to dumb down (and I'm not being elitist here before any baggers get up in arms) I think some new blood, which isn't automatically accused of being a troll, would be good. Partly to get things moving again, shake up the status quo, and maybe to puncture a few egos.
So, on the whole. That's a yes, then.
[edit to say, I only have 40-some-odd posts cos I buggered up my old Hippychick profile using the wrong email address somehow and can't retrieve it anymore (but if Darryn could help, somehow, that would be nice 
) However, I don't think my post count was much more than 500 and since I've been here pretty much since incarnation I'm clearly not the most prolific of posters]
[ 03 August 2003: Message edited by: H1ppychick ]
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Originally posted by H1ppychick:
partly because the forum 'gods' (to coin a phrase) do sometimes make me feel a bit stupid/ill-informed/clumsy with words, and I do occasionally feel like my erudition is being weighed and found wanting, whilst other forum regulars over-indulge themselves with sparkling witty prose which makes me both jealous and resentful at my lack of equivalent talents.
TMO. Had you realised you're that intimidating?
D'you want your forum to shrink to a tiny core of regulars - those who fit your idea of verbal wizadry plus those who don't giveashit (like me, harr!)?
Er - if so: why so?
As a relative newbie I've noticed that while most boards don't challenge peoples opinions except by throwing insults around, TMO is a proper challenge. If you believe something, you tend to have to justify it in words of more than one syllable. I have no problem with this, but my brain has turned to mush over the past few months and I haven't had the energy for TMO - it can be quite tiring to post on here and by the time I get to a thread, most of what I would say, is already said. I can't remember the number of times I've started to read a thread, thought of a top response and a few pages in, someone else says it - so I don't bother. (This is all more to do with my own ability to convincingly say what I think, rather than the reception I received (which was, on the whole, good)).
But back to the point, I technically can't use TMO while I'm at work anymore, so I find I miss out on a lot of the peak time activity (speaking of which, I've just realised I've missed my bus to work, ah well), which is a shame and I think it's harder to contribute to the debates out-of-hours, as it were. *sigh. I'll continue to loiter though, I love reading this place, even if I don't post much.
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Originally posted by AgeingGrace:
TMO. Had you realised you're that intimidating?
I find the quality of writing on here completely disheartening sometimes, and I actually think it's had a completely detrimental effect on my ability to motivate myself to write creatively, as well as eroding my confidence in my ability to succeed in my current profession. So, yeah. I can see why people would find it intimidating.
I do find it strange, however, how many people seem to feel maligned by the forum. I remember having a "gah. no-one on here loves me day", a while back, only to discover Ringo and Kovacs having a discussion about how they felt similarly underappreciated. It was funny. It made me think "who are these people on here who always get the love with none of the bullshit?" It's like Samuelnorton continually whining "Why is it only me that gets picked on?" as it as if he's the only person who gets lambasted here. It's ridiculous and has no basis in reality.
Same goes when people join, or when you read a discussion on HB it's like "Oh everyone's so mean to baggers" god... I wish the archives were still around from when i joined its like "Cuh, kids today don't even know they're born"
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Originally posted by AgeingGrace:
I was wondering ....Do you guys talk to each other at weekends, by other means? If you don't, does that mean you're strictly Mon-Fri buddies?
Do you agree that it would be good for TMO to have more members? And maybe of a slightly different calibre?
Would it annoy you if the forum acquired new members who didn't fit into the creative/media/IT mould that seems to prevail here?
I don't think TMO is scathingly vile to newbies in fact. But, when someone new appears, is your instinct to welcome them, test them out - or just to wait and see?
I really don't like this assumption that we all have cool IT/Media jobs. This is wrong.
Of course new members are good. It would be nice though, to get new members who start threads and don't just post what they do at the weekend and what their favourite stuff is. I like the fact that there aren't any gay "hello I'm new!!!" threads, but that could be just me. Anyone who joins in, entertains and can hold their own is welcome. Filler fluff will be ignored, but I think this is an important lesson in life.
Remember Root, who flew too close to the sun? A legend of first-posting brilliance, who lived fast and died young. Root had lurked, done his homework and thrown down the gauntlet in epic style. Perhaps noobs could be posted this example when they get their password details?
Although I really am calling for the retribution of a thousand Black Mask newbie flamings here, I didn't have too bad a time as a newbie. Though obviously, there will be those who could quite rightly point out that with what? 300 posts to my name I am still shockingly clear skinned, bright eyes and flammable.
I hung around the edges, posted the odd thing here and there, then finally launched in, under the cover of the crash. People have responded to me a few times, and the boards and discussions have made me laugh and think and have, crucially, kept me entertained in office hours at a point in my life where my job has become so boring it has bred in me a cycle of 'boredom-apathy-boredom-apathy' so strong that if I continue with no TMO like distraction I run a distinct risk of atrophying into a small mummyfied thing by the end of August.
Some of the writing is of depressingly good quality, but whilst this has the disadvantage of encouraging me to regularly self-flagellate with the lash of my own imperfection, it at least ensures that the boards are eminently readable.
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Originally posted by Louche:
I could be wrong, but I thought the 'London Media Elite' tyhing had an edge of self-mockery when it was employed to describe the forum?
Yeah. I said it on goatweb last year. I thought it was obviously a joke given that I'm not in London, and the idea of describing myself of part of any sort of 'elite' was laughable. But the goatwebbers really seized on it. It was totally ninja.
no. i'm neither.
i love this place because it tolerates my tourette like outbursts of stupidity. and then when i'm in london (infrequently. i don't like it down there) and bump into people its a laugh.
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
It's like Samuelnorton continually whining "Why is it only me that gets picked on?" as it as if he's the only person who gets lambasted here.
The the umpteenth bloody time, you halfwit.
I don't "whine" about being "picked on", as many times I have accepted that justified responses to a potentially controversial post, even when accompanied by unjustified invective, are par for the course on here.
The problem only arises when someone jumps on me with all teeth and claws bared when I do little more than offer a straightforward response to a thread on chipes or crisps.
Just to clarify things, like.
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Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
The the umpteenth bloody time, you halfwit.
You see, he's right!
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Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
If Ben had posted his answers to his own questions and said the same thing, would you have thought of calling him a "fuckwad"? Perhaps not. But then it's me, eh?
This was quite fresh in my mind when I wrote that. Obviously it's not just you that complains about being the only one that ever gets picked on. Loads of people have claimed to be the only one. That's why it's so lame.
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Originally posted by Ringo:
So, here's a suggestion, fuck off if you've got nothing to actually say
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
You're right to whine though. When ben replies to a thread (on topic!) he gets a much more civil response...
Yeah, like Bens pathetic bleating deserved anything other than my contempt.
I want more new people. Always more new people. They are the best to fight with too. More. Bigger. Faster. Always. But i am resigned to the fact that things have changed and we do not have a prime-time BBC tv show to lure them to us, so... whatever.
Why is everyone saying they are being picked on?
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
I wish the archives were still around from when i joined its like "Cuh, kids today don't even know they're born"
Ah come on, you and SG5 were very antagonistic when you joined. It turns out that this was partly your posting style and not something you were doing entirely to get a reaction but I don't see how you could be surprised by the intitial response you got.
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
I remember the biggest uproar was over about 8 posts of chate on a nonsensical thread that if anyone else had posted it, would have gone unremarked.
Meh, as it would today if you were the perpetrator. Being a regular and therefore having proved yourself to be a worthwhile contributor gets you some leeway to play with and people won't as quickly, if ever, jump on you for something but I reckon that's probably true anywhere, not just on TMO
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
I never said I was suprised by the reaction, just that it was there. I remember the biggest uproar was over about 8 posts of chate on a nonsensical thread that if anyone else had posted it, would have gone unremarked.
Yeah, you were these two total newbs who appeared to be 'cybersquatting' our shiny new forum. You weren't playing by the rules, because you didn't know them. Then everyone hated you, which was cooel, and then I realised that you were funny, which was cooler, and then Fifichan didn't, which was even cooler still, and then everything was just a big ole chillbucket.
I WANT NEW PEOPLE. MORE NEW PEOPLE, NOW. How can we get them?
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: London ]
poster first
Name: I am not...
Pass: Drbenway
london, why not invite hott dudes and hott chicks from friendstah.....
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Originally posted by I am not...:
Lets all give up our passwords and start new names.poster first
Name: I am not...
Pass: Drbenway
This has been done before as well. We need new and exciting things to feed to Londie lest her appetite for the unknown consumes us all.
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
This was quite fresh in my mind when I wrote that. Obviously it's not just you that complains about being the only one that ever gets picked on. Loads of people have claimed to be the only one. That's why it's so lame.
But if you go back to that thread and read it again, you'll find that the storm-in-a-teacup that blew up stemmed from nothing more than my providing a straight answer to Ben's question.
If the "fuckwad" response was in response to a rant against Pikeys on the other hand, I wouldn't have batted as much as an eyelid.
Poor IAN.
Locked.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: Darryn.R ]
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Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
But if you go back to that thread and read it again, you'll find that the storm-in-a-teacup that blew up stemmed from nothing more than my providing a straight answer to Ben's question.
I'm not saying that you deserved that response, or that you should have expected it. Just that everyone takes some unjustified abuse from time to time, even ben.
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
even ben.
Gasp! Say it ain't so!
I really enjoy reading the threads, you guys have some incredibly funny arguements that fizzle into nothingness or humour. You make some great discussions and I love reading everyone's opinion, I have never been on a message board before, but I can say from first impressions - I LIKE!!!
It was a little bit scary at first, you all seem to know one another very well, and I kinda felt like I may be intruding a little. But after the initial week or so I have become more comfortable with posting etc.
I know I have only just graduated from 'newbie' to TMO member, but already I'm enjoying reading/posting here more and more. Yayness
How much is the doggy in the monitor cause I wanna take it home mommy!!
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Originally posted by d666:
fuck this lovey dovey circle jerking gaymo shite.
i hate all of you. all of you. you fucks.
*sniff* B-but Damo, we love you!
If someone's flamed you and your heart isn't beating like a fucked jackhammer and the back of your throat isn't clogging up with heart-vomit then you haven't really been flamed, in my view.
I suppose it's because this is the only board really worth reading.
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Originally posted by My Name Is Joe:
I suppose it's because this is the only board really worth reading.
I spent a long time thinking that TMO (or Seethru) couldn't be the only board of quality on the entire internet. I've spent a couple of years looking at various fora, but I have to admit none comes close. It's odd really...
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Originally posted by d666:
fuck this lovey dovey circle jerking gaymo shite.
i hate all of you. all of you. you fucks.
Damo sent me an email earlier claiming to be "feeling the love". Maybe he just meant for me...
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Originally posted by Ringo:
Damo sent me an email earlier claiming to be "feeling the love". Maybe he just meant for me...
Maybe he was masterbating? It does seem to be his current obsession.
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Originally posted by Honeybaby:
I'm under the impression its acceptable to subscribe to different broads for the same reason.
I've attempted to justify numerous infidelities using this exact same argument. My girlfriend however, disagrees. Ahaha.
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Originally posted by ben:
TMO's a lot softer than it used to be. People used to try and destroy people back in the days of Terrier and Infinite Jones.
Even though I haven't been around long enough to know either of these characters, I know what you mean. I couple of times I've had a few pokes at various people for no good reason (not just Samuelnorton either, see) and found it impossible to get a reaction. It just leaves me feeling sulky and thinking "I can't even start an argument these days".
See? Welcoming.
ouch! Takes toe out of the water sharply, suspecting there may be broken glass in there
PS Hi Steve, delighted to meet you.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: Honeybaby ]
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Originally posted by ben:
*g-gasp* MNIJ is Gav???
In which episode was this revealed???
I think that was the first screening of the revelation. You're getting this live as we receive it.
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
Even though I haven't been around long enough to know either of these characters.
You know Terrier well enough. It was an earlier incarnation of Kovacs.
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Originally posted by Honeybaby:
ouch! Takes toe out of the water sharply, suspecting there may be broken glass in there
Things have gone a bit random round here today, I wouldn't take anything personally.
Do some people really not think?
Like, dur squared.
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Originally posted by Bamba:
Maybe he was masterbating? It does seem to be his current obsession.
dude i was getting in practice for national orgasm day last month (31st july). i just haven't been able to stop.
i'm fearing the gush man. i'm fearing the gush.
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No, I'm sticky
But perhaps a little late in noticing...
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: sticky ]
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Originally posted by sticky:
No, I'm sticky.
bdum-tsch!
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Originally posted by sticky:
I'm Sticky[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: sticky ]
I'm sticky and so's my wife.
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Originally posted by d666:
i'm fearing the gush man. i'm fearing the gush.
As your not-Doctor, I recommend you barge through the pain barrier and keep going till you're a dried out, proteinless husk. Push the boundaries in the interests of science Damo, be a man.
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
I can't believe my rubbish 'broads' joke went unnoticed. If anyone else had posted that they would have been taken to task for it.
Yes yes, Thorn, well done. Do you realy need a pat on the head every time you done a poo?
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
I can't believe my rubbish 'broads' joke went unnoticed
I thought it was a good idea, poorly executed. Still: ha ha.
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Originally posted by Ringo:
Yes yes, Thorn, well done. Do you realy need a pat on the head every time you done a poo?
No... Pat him before, it helps him squeeze one out...
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Originally posted by Astromariner:
I thought it was a good idea, poorly executed. Still: ha ha.
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Originally posted by Ringo:
Yes yes, Thorn, well done. Do you realy need a pat on the head every time you done a poo?
Why do I feel that my grander point was going unnoticed? If anyone else had posted that, it would have been understood.
quote:well, indeed. and Yes.
Originally posted by herbs:
I can't believe no-one's noticed I haven't been here for a week. If it had been anyone else, like Elvis, they would have noticed. Oh... hang on...
Yes: I am standing outside your house right now.
cockfuckssuckswank.
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Originally posted by herbs:
I can't believe no-one's noticed I haven't been here for a week. If it had been anyone else, like Elvis, they would have noticed. Oh... hang on...
There are "tiers" of forumites here. If a top-tier forumite (post count 1000+, perhaps) goes missing, the forum notices and goes into a panic, which includes (a) any newbies are accused of being trolls of/by/for the missing forumite in question, (b) search parties are issued to handbag in case missing forumite is drowning in the quicksand of boyband chate, and/or (c) the silence left by the missing forumite leads to in-depth speculation about the lack of activity round these parts recently and the therefore inevitible death of the forum. On the other hand, if a second-tier forumite goes on hiatus for a week or so, the only evidence of this is generally "oh, you'd left?"
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Originally posted by ben:
TMO's a lot softer than it used to be. People used to try and destroy people back in the days of Terrier and Infinite Jones.
There aren't enough people to have really mammoth fights like we used to. There were factions. Now it's like a cosy coffee morning. Even the little spats end off with people all shaking hands and going 'oh, she's a girl, ain't she?', in amused resignation, like my grandmother would. Of course, true hatred still burns, but it's based on old crimes and old wounds, and it's scar tissue, not the living bleeding thing. Basically, if you missed Seethru in Jan - Sept 2001, then it's your loss, dudes, and, just like Mis-teeq says, you can't get it back, because it's just not going down like that.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: London ]
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Originally posted by Ringo:
If you don't want a fluffy stigma, what's with the name. Like, duh.Do some people really not think?
Because it was a nickname, used sarcastically when I first registered on a BB. While it is quite feminine, I'm happy to continue using it as I don't feel the need to disguise my identity from others who cross-post. I don't feel the need for an alias.
Incidentally, I may have said I didn't want to be dismissed as simply being fluffy, that doesn't mean that I'm never fluffy. As I already explained, there are many parts to my personality, which is why I like to post on more than one board.
Chuh! Do some people never learn not to judge a book by its cover!
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Originally posted by London:
Basically, if you missed Seethru in Jan - Sept 2001, then it's your loss, dudes, and, just like Mis-teeq says, you can't get it back, because it's just not going down like that.
Are you high? You're saying there's never been a big hate-inducing scrap ever on TMO? That there's never been factions? That there's never been a bloodspitting gen-u-wine claws out fight here?
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Originally posted by Louche:
I knew there was the clique and the in-crowd and thje drinks crowd blah blah blah, but I didn't realise there was a tier system.
Hah. That's nothing. Way back when, either Kovacs or Rick J, I forget which, used to refer to 'The Royals'. There's also alpha male and alpha female, and the unaffectionate 'Queen Bee'. Oh, and the 'Big Five'. Hahahahahahahahaaa.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: London ]
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Originally posted by Niffer:
are you calling herbs second tier froopy?
Just a theory. I'd consider myself to be a second-tier forumite, but wouldn't presume to assign that stigma to anyone else
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
Are you high? You're saying there's never been a big hate-inducing scrap ever on TMO? That there's never been factions? That there's never been a bloodspitting gen-u-wine claws out fight here?
Is that an offer.
I suppose I was speaking subjectively, because I've not been around for big chunks of TMO history, and then the second I dive back in, I obliterate all memory of my abscence from my brain. Obviously I was forgetting the Nifferchan incident. Thanks for reminding me.
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Originally posted by Louche:
I knew there was the clique and the in-crowd and thje drinks crowd blah blah blah, but I didn't realise there was a tier system. Someone has spent far too long working for a state sponsored organisation if they thought that one up.
I fear the effects business school is having on me.
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Also posted by Louche:
Does that make me a porter and Damo the bonkers middle manager who pees in the pot plant in his office and makes lewd suggestions to secretaries?
No, but this sounds like a reasonably solid basis for a TMO-based situation comedy.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: froopyscot ]
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Originally posted by Niffer:
are you calling herbs second tier froopy?
I fear he may be, Niff. I feel so middle-management. Not at all media elite.
Oh, and Astro, call yourself a stalker? It was a double-bass player.
sorry i think the heat is getting to me.
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Originally posted by London:
Is that an offer.
As if. I remember the last time we argued and you assumed I was kovacs.
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Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
Are you high? You're saying there's never been a big hate-inducing scrap ever on TMO? That there's never been factions? That there's never been a bloodspitting gen-u-wine claws out fight here?
I still think the Joneswarz were unique in scale and ferocity. The enemy was clever and manipulative and knew how to infiltrate and nestle himself, viperlike in the bosom of one's closest chatepals. Neither side was to be placated except by the complete destruction of the other as a presence on the boards.
So rejoice: the goodies won!
Or did they....?
A lot of this stuff is archived somewhere - but it's impossible to get more than a fraction of a sense of the giddy tumble of events as they might develop over the course of an afternoon.
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Originally posted by ben:
A lot of this stuff is archived somewhere - but it's impossible to get more than a fraction of a sense of the giddy tumble of events as they might develop over the course of an afternoon.
and this is why ben has his badge people.
I've made very good friends with a handful of people from ST/TMO. I don't mean just interweb friends, but real life, if we lived closer we'd hang out loads type of friends. It's just a shame we're all too farway.
Do you agree that it would be good for TMO to have more members? And maybe of a slightly different calibre?
I think we could always use newbies. New blood is always good.
Would it annoy you if the forum acquired new members who didn't fit into the creative/media/IT mould that seems to prevail here?
Not at all. Every community has different types of people. If everyone was the same it would get boring.
I don't think TMO is scathingly vile to newbies in fact. But, when someone new appears, is your instinct to welcome them, test them out - or just to wait and see?
It depends really. Sometimes I won't like someone and then I will. But most times I just wait and see.
I don't know. Sometimes I get so sick of this place that I leave, but I always end up back here. I left for exactly a month in June and July and got so bored that I came back. It's addictive, this TMO. Not to mention, that I miss you guys when I go on strike. It really is the only board online that's worth reading. At least to me. I've tried reading others, but I don't know, they're so...blah.
I had more to say, but I'm working and got distracted. I'll try to remember what it was I wanted to say.
Maybe there aren't so many fights because we've already had all the important ones about 10 times? We're just chilling now, like the sarcastic old woman in Waiting for God, our bile all spent.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: My Name Is Joe ]
Now, where the hell can we get some more BB addicts who know how to string a sentence together?
This is becoming serious. Something has to be fed to London quick, before she disappears up her own imagined vortex of TMO fight nostalgia.
I want to see a persona detroyed, tears, blood, harsh words, strong language, tireless referencing back to the dawn of time. I want obsure quotations that nobody should ever remember and dodgy interperitations. I want repeated stompoffs and returns, and 10 posts a minute onto threads sprawling across 20 pages of malice, spite and anger.
Fuck affability, where's all tha vitriol at?
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: Ringo ]
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before she disappears up her own imagined vortex of TMO fight nostalgia
What a polite way to say get your head out of your arse
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: My Name Is Joe ]
Andy
There was not 'A thing' I wanted to hear, nor was I actually asking you to be regular conservateurs. The only thing I wanted as a reply was that you (or anyone) saw that I was nowhere near in the wrong. Were you, by any chance, using me as practice to break up with some 'holidayromancegir'l? "It's me, darling, it's me. It is not you."
OK, nuff said and as you were, apart from this: Has many of the regulars leaving made you go all edgy and stuff? It raises questions, that, you know...
Jones.
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Originally posted by Ringo:
I want a good fight. A really good one. Everyone's far too fucking affable. It's sickening.Fuck affability, where's all tha vitriol at?
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: Ringo ]
i can't be arsed crossing streams with a fucking petrol head....
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Originally posted by Ringo:
Fuck affability, where's all tha vitriol at?
I t-try. :*(
did the polis get involved?
or is it like candyman and the more you say his name the more he'll come back?
Infinite Jones = Bad person of Legend
Jonesy999 = Absolutely nothing to do with above mentioned infiniteJones?
Am I right?
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: Louche ]
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Originally posted by My Name Is Joe:
What a polite way to say get your head out of your arse
She wasn't saying that! AG wouldn't say that. If you're saying that, just say it. Not put hand up in AG like AG meatpuppet.
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Originally posted by Louche:
Am I right?
Yes.
Jones = Mr Badman
Jonesy = Lovable lookalike who first shot to fame thanks to an inspired description of jim'll fixit's fat cub scout rollercoaster ice-cream mash up
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Originally posted by My Name Is Joe:
I would be very surprised if he didn't read TMO from time to time.
I would be very suprised if he actually gave a fuck two years on, to be honest.
EDIT: URL didn't work but check this S&W profile and click on the Search: All posts by this registered user. to see what I mean
See what i mean? do you think the archive is still there just not linked to? Web geeks?
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: I am not... ]
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Originally posted by London:
She wasn't saying that! AG wouldn't say that. If you're saying that, just say it. Not put hand up in AG like AG meatpuppet.
AG meatpuppet, lol.
I'm not saying that. I was just laughing at the expression, like. In a good, non-confrontational, sweet kinda way.
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Originally posted by Bandy:
I would be very suprised if he actually gave a fuck two years on, to be honest.
Yeah, but its still the only thing worth reading. I've tried U75, HB, Liv4now and some other boards, and they're all lame-o.
After initially despising each other (ah, what would I give to see those vintage threads again...), we agreed not to discuss secret right-wing movements in the Congo and talk about more messy things. A sticky tale that has been repeated and regurgitated ad infinitum by those who think they know. Hah.
We used to MSN and send the odd e-mail, but there was no secret Seethru personality destruction plan. All we used to talk about was pheasants, Weisswurst and fine Spanish wines.
This place was a whole lot better with characters like Jones. It had a certain bite.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: Thorn Davis ]
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Originally posted by ben:
Brrr. That shizzle ain't nizzle.
Ben, where could I find this book?
Case closed.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: My Name Is Joe ]
check this seems to suggest there's a directory there doesn't it
?
EDIT: maybe not for the forum though
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: I am not... ]
quote:
You are not authorized to view this page
You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied
You've got special privileges, London.
Froopy...speaking of Snoop. Have you seen Doggy Fizzle Televizzle on Mtv?
If you haven't...you should at least check it out once. It's amusing.
Check it out, Damo! You getting pissed off with me in 2001!
quote:
Originally posted by London:
Yes - forgot to mention that Rick loved Jones.Case closed.
I'll forever continue to find it odd that during the long spell that jones and I chose to avoid each other on the SeeThru boards (prior to our calling a truce) I never once witnessed him doing anything underhand. Nor did I hear anything else from anyone else.
If anything, I should have been his first "victim", given the nature of the argument that led to our having the avoidance thing in the first place.
It's a long drawn out thing though, and much of what happened has been shrouded in the mists of time. I would still like to see all of that old stuff though - unexpurgated, of course.
Thatisall.
quote:
Originally posted by Amy:
Have you seen Doggy Fizzle Televizzle on Mtv?
Americans
Faeriegirl=Amy
vtini=Discodamage
Macandrew=Fionulla
B2K=Bandy
Where did Jicks go? And Uncle Monty? I liked them.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: Samuelnorton ]
quote:
Originally posted by Teflon:
Americans
[off topic]Don't know if the show is going to make it to MTV on your side, but it's actually very good. Very funny. He makes fun of just about everyone, including himself, and does a fairly good job at it. (We could have a whole other thread about the "branding" of Snoop Dogg, who at this point doesn't have to actually perform ever again, and could make a tidy sum cashing in on the image he's built for himself.)[/off topic]
Thought I'd sneak that in whilst everyone else is off reading the archives. Interesting stuff, probably due in part to the fact that I don't appear until somewhat later.
Edited to correct typo and to say that I have to get back to doing some work. Which involves kiddie-speak in Swedish.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: Samuelnorton ]
quote:
[off topic]Don't know if the show is going to make it to MTV on your side, but it's actually very good. Very funny. He makes fun of just about everyone, including himself, and does a fairly good job at it. (We could have a whole other thread about the "branding" of Snoop Dogg, who at this point doesn't have to actually perform ever again, and could make a tidy sum cashing in on the image he's built for himself.)[/off topic]
maybe we should start a snoop thread. did you see the wake and bake 'commercial' on the episode a couple of weeks ago?
quote:
Originally posted by ben:
This now seems incredibly gauche.
But Rick still thought they were real mails!
lol, poor Rick. 
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
II have to get back to doing some work. Which involves kiddie-speak in Swedish.
Brrrr!
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
Seethru was shit.
Blasphemy! 
She's just turned up on Seethru today.
[ 04 August 2003: Message edited by: I am not... ]
[ 05 August 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
edited to remove RL name which seemed all SCARY for some reason.
[ 05 August 2003: Message edited by: London ]
if i find the thread where i told rick j to eat a bowl of fuck i might rescind this statement.
edit: investigigation? whatevz.
[ 05 August 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
In a nice way!
EDIT:w00t! I have a fully fledged webserver now with the newest mysql/php/apache... God, I'm sad.
[ 05 August 2003: Message edited by: sabian ]
And McDaddy made me laugh (again, over two years later) with this:
"Shit, I might've known Rick would turn this thread from a steamy, orgasmic clusterfuck to a debate."
I also noticed another thread, which shows how things used to be... look at the first few responses to this. And Londres' "conservative forum" remark. Shocking, eh?
Those were the days...
quote:
Originally posted by sabian:
[QB]To post a pic that I feel describes this thread.
[QB]
Little red X territory for me, I'm afraid.
quote:
Originally posted by Ringo:
Londie, look at me sticking up for you on page 8! I can't believe I was ever so.....so... so fucking gay!In a nice way!
Me too. Urgh.
quote:
Originally posted by Louche:
A thread that started with people talking about how nice it would be to get some new blood has ended being a nostalgic meander through days of yore that no newbie could possibley begin to comprehend. Nice.
'nostalgic meander'? sorry, which part of 'seethru was shit' dont you understand?
quote:
Originally posted by froopyscot:
Little red X territory for me, I'm afraid.
Me too. Sabian, did you keep the receipt?
quote:
Originally posted by fish:
Me too. Sabian, did you keep the receipt?
Must be a DNS problem because it is live and is reachable to the outside world...
can anyone see this? And, if so, could you just put a quickie post in here for me?
I set this up last night at around 2:30ish this morning and haven't made it 'purrty' so don't expect much...
Ta muchly.
EDIT:
No need to register by the way, anonymous posting is enabled for the time being.
[ 05 August 2003: Message edited by: sabian ]
Why can some see it and others can't?? Damn firewall!
How about if you go to the ip directly?
http://62.3.96.166/index.php
EDIT:
or the forums: http://62.3.96.166/modules.php?name=Forums
[ 05 August 2003: Message edited by: sabian ]
on any of them. Sorry mate.
I like the Conservative forum comment. Insulting the entire forum in one fell swoop is always good fun. I should do it more often.
I didn't do it for that anyway, I just wanted to have an enviroment where I could test my web pages without uploading them and then testing, then trying to figure out file by file what didn't work when it failed...
Ho hum... I suck.
Thanks for the help though, I return this thread back to its regularly scheduled clusterfuckery.
quote:
Originally posted by fish:
"Cannot find Server"on any of them. Sorry mate.
Same here. I'll try again from my home connection in a couple of hours.
Edit to add: Thats the picture in your post. I can't however see the pages you link to.
PPS: If I go to http://www.sabian.net/ then I can access your webpage. Does that help at all or am I missing the point? Have posted on your boards anyway.
[ 05 August 2003: Message edited by: chocolatebuns ]
[ 05 August 2003: Message edited by: chocolatebuns ]
The other urls are for my home machine... I've had about 4 people be able to access it, but no one else so either my firewall is very selective and not letting in anyone in trainers or it's a DNS issue...
It's not a big deal though, just a test really... Thanks though.
quote:
Originally posted by Belita:
Where is GTG? I think he would also benefit from Belita's treatment. I have lots of nice toys for boys who make fun of sweet womens. And it is teaching Davey a lesson. Isnt it, you scum? Don't fucking answer to me. I haven't given you permission.
I think you lot should lighten up - I was laughing my ass off reading back through that. Davystoat, eh? I'm glad I drove that fucker "to the brink of suicide".
Him and Jimbo both.
hmmm....i've just re read what you said and it must relate to something that happened on seethru, but i'm not going to edit what i've said because well...because he was crazy and it's not nice to joke of things like that. (he really was crazy. didn't louise go out with him or something?)
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: Amy ]
quote:
Originally posted by ben:
I think you lot should lighten up - I was laughing my ass off reading back through that. Davystoat, eh? I'm glad I drove that fucker "to the brink of suicide".Him and Jimbo both.
Just in case he tries to edit. I think the world should know what a c**t he can be. Wanker.
I called his bluff, told him to fuck off and as far as I recall he looked in the pink (or off-grey) of health in the pictures of Rick's "couples meat" some months later. In addition he'd also "got lucky" on ST/TMO, using his ultra-evident charms to ensnare Louise.
The fact that he made you feel suicidal is not so much an indication of him being fragile - more a vampiric personality who feels compelled to bring those around him down.
kisses
It's just not a very nice thing to say about someone, no matter how much you don't like that person. Never wish death on anyone.
I don't wish death on anyone - and I certainly wouldn't try to psych out someone who seemed genuinely damaged rather than just a creepy little kiddiefucker.
I have to say I'm pleased that he's no longer posting. Then again, there are a couple of people I'm glad aren't posting anymore, and some I wish who did.
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: Amy ]
quote:lol. Life does that all by its li'l ol' self.
Originally posted by Amy:
Never wish death on anyone.
Yes, Neville was a pretty fucked up, needy sort of guy. I don't know what the root of it all was, and I suspect that he never would have comitted suicide, but he doesn't deserve this sort of shit so long after the event, especially when he's not here to defend himself.
Yes, he had a tendency to fancy teenage girls - but it wasn't about them being young and innocent or whatever, it was about them accepting him for who he was - that might have been someone whom you wouldn't like, but to suggest he was some sort of web-predator bordering on paedophile is way off the mark.
Show a little fucking humanity eh?
I probably shouldn't have mentioned the whole Daveystoat thing, but once I had done Thorn seemed keen to "take me down" for it - and I wasn't going to let that slide without offering my side of the story.
Perhaps you're a lot more zen than me, Gail, but if someone cries wolf with suicide in a serious attempt to rattle me that's not something I'm inclined to be very merciful about.
quote:
Originally posted by Ben:
If I'm the conscience of the forum, this place really is fucked.
Like, duh?
I'm not sure if I was fully operative at the time, but y'know, this is a bit like Infinite Jones having shit on you, boy - I find threatening people over the internet just a little bit hollow?
Now I feel horny.
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Davis:
Who was that other wierd bloke that posted on here for a bit that MSN'd the grrls and came over all creepy and wierd? Ben wrote a post about a dream of him coming into his room and sniffing Bailey's pants. What was his name? I never really found out what he did that was so wrong, even though he occasionally MSN'd Rose.
Kovacs?
But, imagine how much more distressing it is to be the person who feels a need to make that kind of threat, real or not?
quote:
Originally posted by Gail:
he used to tell me regularly he was gonna top himself when he was 30 - and I know it's distressing.
This seems a fair enough response to me. So I suppose the point of etiquette which was breached in this case was actually to go telling people about it?
As has probably been mentioned before, my personal solution to turning 30 was to get very, very very drunk. See below. I'm the one in the blue shirt very cleverly hiding behind the pint glass.
quote:
Originally posted by ben:
But there's a world of difference between making a cry for help and crying wolf out of malice - and whatever other issues that guy had it was the latter that he did in relation to me.
I'm only going by what's been written in this thread but it seems the guy was emotionally unstable. Therefore it's unfair to assume there was rational malice in what he said to you. Ben.
I'm reminded of what Lucid told us the other day - about children's undeveloped brains lacking empathy - so they thought a frightened face was angry at them.
Ben, you brain generally seems quite well developed. What happened?
Cx
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
quote:
Originally posted by Gail:
Ben, I can imagine what it feels like - he used to tell me regularly he was gonna top himself when he was 30 - and I know it's distressing.But, imagine how much more distressing it is to be the person who feels a need to make that kind of threat, real or not?
I have to say I have some sympathy with ben's feelings. His reaction seems to me to be anger at having been genuinely scared shitless by the threat this bloke made.
That may not seem very sympathetic (and the vehemence with which is was expressed isn't helpful) but it is an understandably strong and human reaction. Isn't the point that ben's feelings are stronger than maybe yours, gail, whatever your empathy and concern for neville, because the bloke made ben feel that ben would be personally responsible if he did kill himself?
Ok, so its a good point that it isn't anywhere near as bad as being the bloke himself, with his need to talk like that, and ben could do with stepping back a little from it now because he wasn't really damaged by it and time ought to have given him a bit more of a sympathetic perspective than he is projecting (perhaps he [i]was[i/] that scared by the threat) - but his feelings are understandable since it had to be scary on a different level to just hearing out another's anguished calls for help. (I say 'just' but I hope you know what I mean.)
My only cavil with ben's perspective now is that whatever he felt during the heat of the emotions at the time, with cooler hindsight he should be less sure it was done out of pure malice. There is no way he can know that for sure, since a damaged person - which he admits neville probably was - with real mental or emotional problems simply wouldn't be capable of separating the damaged parts of themselves out just for one incident.
edited to remove weird italics
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: ziggy ]
quote:
Originally posted by Gail:
Yes, he had a tendency to fancy teenage girls - but it wasn't about them being young and innocent or whatever, it was about them accepting him for who he was - that might have been someone whom you wouldn't
Brilliant! All I have to do is tell the authorities that I was just schtooping that 13 year old because she really knew me and understood the complexities of my life... Not because she was 13 or nuffink... Cool! If you lot excuse me, I'm off to Hamley's to see if I can pull!
I also have to agree with ben here... If some fucker is constantly going on about topping himself/herself, it is ONLY trying to get attention... Kind'a like Munchausen Syndrome, but not because they don't seek treatment, they only want the 'reaction'.
There is a distinct difference between what dopey was doing and someone in a true crisis. To think anything else or to defend the tactics used is to let him get the 'kicks' he was after in the first place. Emotional vampires need to be identified and called out as such because if you make excuses for them, you only enable them to continue...
Namechange.
Cx
[Edit: Sorry, Disco! Gosh, this heat fries yer brains, dunnit?]
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: Cherry ]
quote:
Originally posted by Cherry:
Gail:
discodamage, actually, but thanks for clarifying.
quote:
Originally posted by ziggy:
My only cavil with ben's perspective now is that whatever he felt during the heat of the emotions at the time, with cooler hindsight he should be less sure it was done out of pure malice. There is no way he can know that for sure, since a damaged person - which he admits neville probably was - with real mental or emotional problems simply wouldn't be capable of separating the damaged parts of themselves out just for one incident.
C (shamed)
I don't agree at all with your total lack of sympathy for what constitutes the walking wounded. I really don't understand at what point you would draw the line that divides 'attention seeking' from 'true crisis'. You don't make that very clear.
quote:
Originally posted by Cherry:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ziggy:
[qb]That's what I meant. But Ziggy put it better.C (shamed)
Hell no. You did but I was typing when you posted yours and didn't see it. I almost put Cherry put it better when I edited. I am far too verbose.
I love your posts.
so he was damaged. shrug. lemonade anyone?
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
quote:
Originally posted by discodamage:
lemonade anyone?
Mmmm, is it home-made lemonade? Vodka in mine, too, please.
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: discodamage ]
Sparkling water or Yellow Label tea for me, please.
quote:I can't think why .... that reminds me of Ringo!
Originally posted by Astromariner:
my throbbing chin eruption.
quote:I can't think why .... that reminds me of Ringo![/QB][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Cherry:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Astromariner:
[qb]my throbbing chin eruption.
She's got Ringo on her chin? Why is he throbbing then?
quote:Cuz, she hasn't put him in her mouth yet ofcourse!
Originally posted by ziggy:
She's got Ringo on her chin?
quote:
Originally posted by ziggy:
Why is he throbbing then?
Cuz, she hasn't put him in her mouth yet ofcourse!
quote:
Originally posted by sabian:
Cuz, she hasn't put him in her mouth yet ofcourse!
Oh god!! Now I need to leave. Gross. (Not that I know. Ringo could be... tempting. Eh?)
Anyone remember/know the longest thread ever???
Obviously I don't coz I'm quite new but I'm interested
It looks like a few people around here could do with a little education about mental (ill) health. Don't bother coming back telling me all about how your mum's been depressed for years and you know all about mentalism thankyou very much, it doesn't strengthen your case any.
If Ben hadn't posted this:
quote:
I was laughing my ass off reading back through that. Davystoat, eh? I'm glad I drove that fucker "to the brink of suicide".
...I might have had a little more sympathy with his PTSD.
quote:
Originally posted by Sabian:
All I have to do is tell the authorities that I was just schtooping that 13 year old because she really knew me and understood the complexities of my life... Not because she was 13 or nuffink...
As far as I know he never made any attempt whatsoever to get off with an underage girl - 'Louise' was 17 when they got together.
Teenage girls have a tendency to be depressive, to wallow in it and think no-one understands them and that they would be better off dead - so did Neville. None of us knew him well enough to say whether he was mentally ill or not - even if the whole thing was a pretence (which I don't believe), that seems pretty fucked up to me and more worthy of sympathy than condemnation.
Yes, his behaviour towards Ben was manipulative, and his attraction to much younger girls could justify wariness, but that's all, as far as I'm concerned.
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: Gail ]
quote:
Originally posted by Gail:
Neville
lol
No wonder the **** was suicidal.
Neville... lol
I also see what you are saying about the way ben posted. Do you really see him as that cruel though? Might it not just be a harsh sort of glibness promoted by the type of posts that were going on at the time?
From that quote, you might be right to challenge what is at least a demonstrable lack of understanding, and - if he does not come back with some awareness, if not wholly new insights after this discussion - perhaps a lack of willingness to consider compassion as an alternative to self-righteous rage.
The ennui that some posters exhibit towards these sorts of debates is disappointing because it shows an unwillingness to engage on the human level when real life intrudes on the charming artificiality of the boards. I see that as their problem more than anyone else's and know who is to be respected.
Edited for clarity.
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: ziggy ]
He seemed happy enough after he had "captured" Louise, but even then there was talk about his network of teenage female friends, all of whom were still at school. Unfortunately for long-term reporting purposes, my interest in this was non-existent, and it simply went in through one ear and out through the other, bypassing my brain completely.
Prior to his pairing off, he used to try and project his depressive state, but not once did I hear of any suicide plans. If this is what he said to Ben, then it is beneath contempt. And while the comments Ben made today may have appeared out of line, I can clearly understand the fury that elicted them.
We've all posted stuff on here in anger; kudos to Ben for not editing his comments, although quoting them for posterity was just a little bit mean-spirited. For one, for all the spats we have had on here, Ben would - unlike some - be one of the last people to send a post only to regret it later and replace it with an 'x'.*
It's regrettable, but when I read those old threads I did laugh pretty loudly at times.
While we are on the subject of past events, I spoke to Infinite Jones on MSN this morning. He's doing well, and doesn't miss this place much.
*Unless it was a scanned photo of his cock.
I'm gonna shut the fuck up now, I'm sick of the sight of my own words and for all the good they're doing I might as well have never bothered.
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: Black Mask ]
quote:
Originally posted by Gail:
for all the good they're doing...
You don't know that. You certainly make me think and re-evaluate things. I guess it would look clusterfuckery to say so, so I guess people don't.
I'm off too, but if I can be forgiven for showing a bit of respect to you before I go; I do.
Edited to add, great Black Mask! Now you have fucked the thread up. Remove the pointless picture, huh?
[ 06 August 2003: Message edited by: ziggy ]
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
*Unless it was a scanned photo of his cock.
It was the Admin that edited that post. Cheers.
quote:
Originally posted by ben:
It was the Admin that edited that post. Cheers.
Heh. I know. I just wanted to slip the reference in...
I just..."
quote:Teenage girls includes girls aged 13 to 19. 19 year olds are hardly kids are they?
Originally posted by sabian:
Brilliant! All I have to do is tell the authorities that I was just schtooping that 13 year old because she really knew me and understood the complexities of my life... Not because she was 13 or nuffink... Cool! If you lot excuse me, I'm off to Hamley's to see if I can pull!
quote:
Originally posted by kovacs:
I love the way whenever Samuelnorton is proved wrong, the response is "I knew that
Gah. If I hadn't thrown the cock reference in I would have been accused of being unnecessarily gracious to Ben.
The heat is getting to you, Kovacs old boy.
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
Gah. If I hadn't thrown the cock reference in I would have been accused of being unnecessarily gracious to Ben.The heat is getting to you, Kovacs old boy.
I do think you're getting pretty nice to Ben these days actually, old fruit. It's weeeird.
quote:
Originally posted by kovacs:
I do think you're getting pretty nice to Ben these days actually, old fruit. It's weeeird.
Weeeird indeed. I just wish I didn't happen to share his view on the Neville thing and office workers taking cigarette breaks every other half hour.
It's bloody irritating, that's for sure.
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
office workers taking cigarette breaks every other half hour.
B-but you don't work in an office, why should this bother you?
quote:
Originally posted by Bamba:
B-but you don't work in an office, why should this bother you?
Fair point. But I used to. There used to be a woman in my office who used to take a five-minute fag break every twenty minutes or so. That made fifteen minutes for every hour.
Work out the figures for yourself. Taking away the standard break for lunch (60mins), everyone was paid for working an 8 hour day. Like anyone else, Miss Fagbreak took her lunch hour, and was paid for the full 8 hours. The difference was that while non-smokers actually worked for the full 8 hours, she had only worked for 6, given that she had spent a solid two hours lining her lungs with tar.
So there we have it. Two working hours lost per day. Ten per week. And she was being paid for it. If I had my way I would have had her manning the 'phones until for a further two and a half hours. That way one could have said that the maths was fair.
I still think of this from time to time, whenever I hear tales of lost productivity. If one person could cost a business ten hours a week, imagine how many man hours are being lost nationwide? It's staggering.
I know it doesn't affect me right here and now. But it could if I am waiting on someone else to produce stuff, which happens from time to time. It's fucking pathetic.
quote:
Originally posted by Samuelnorton:
The difference was that while non-smokers actually worked for the full 8 hours, she had only worked for 6, given that she had spent a solid two hours lining her lungs with tar.
quote:
Originally posted by Bandy:
How many hours do you think she wasted per week writing on an internet message board though? I'm guessing none...
"wasted"? what if she was Black Mask?
quote:
Originally posted by Bandy:
writing on an internet message board
That goes under "research and development" in the ledger.
In fact, I still miss the fags.
[ 07 August 2003: Message edited by: ziggy ]
quote:
Originally posted by Ringo:
fuck it, take up smoking again!
I wish.