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It's three hours in total - 1.5 hours each way, on tube, trains, etc. That's if things go badly, which they often do. Otherwise it's just over an hour each way. I live in Walthamstow, and work in Clapham Junction. Though there's talk of the office moving to Vauxhall. Whoop.
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Herbs, man, that sounds so, so shit. I would give this chap an ultimatum. You weren't at all happy with his answers to your questions, and you've thought it all over.
A responsible company should pay its employees responsibly. And that includes you. So if he doesn't agree to pay you xxxx (and make xxx quite a lot), you'll have no choice but to leave, as you no longer feel sufficiently valued, for all the ace work you quite clearly do, blahdeblah.
Calm, sympathetic, frank. Ball in his court.
He says no can do, you give notice, and get the hell out of Dodge, man, and find something else. You're very, very talented at what you do. You live in London. There are other jobs. You will find one. A good one. Honest.
Trust me. I'm completely untrustworthy, generally speaking, but you're worth far more than this bloke seems to value you for.
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I love you mart. I have effectively said 'I want xxx' and he has effectively said 'no, we haven't got the money, we're only a small company, credit crunch, boo hoo...'
I've got the the stage when I don't think I'm any good, and deserve to be mildly downtrodden, which is patently bollocks, as this world is chock-full of utter fuckwits. And I'm not an utter fuckwit.
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Exactly, and that's the problem when you're inside this. You end up feeling that you're not worth any more than what they say, and it becomes a boggy quagmire that's hard to get out of. I had to get sacked to realise how ace I am, but I'm very glad I did.
You too are ace. Honestly. I've never worked with you but I can just tell. It's obvious. You're really, really talented. You're highly experienced, you're very good at what you do, you have great skills. Lots of other companies would like to pay you quite a lot of money for you to do what you're good at. Honestly.
Sorry if I sound patronising; I'm just trying to make you see what's going on outside that quagmire that is, er, your head.
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Also... as it's a small company, the boss plays heavily on the whole 'all in it together, let's pull through, sunlit uplands ahead, one big happy family' schtick, so to leave is emotionally difficult, like I'm being disloyal, and abandoning my dad, or some such bollocks.
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+2 to shagging mart
what they all said. he's trying to use emotion and loyalty to tie you in to a crap situation, because he's a manipulative c*nt who's trying to exploit the gender card. if you were a bloke, he wouldn't be rolling out these cliches. don't let him get away with it.
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I'm still here! Some residual strand of moral fibre is preventing me handing my notice in just before boss's holiday (next week) as he'll worry about it.
Another consideration: our income is entirely dependent on advertising sales. Nothing has been sold for months. there is no money coming in. Writing, wall, etc.
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quote:Originally posted by herbs: Also... as it's a small company, the boss plays heavily on the whole 'all in it together, let's pull through, sunlit uplands ahead, one big happy family' schtick, so to leave is emotionally difficult, like I'm being disloyal, and abandoning my dad, or some such bollocks.
That's all good and well - perhaps you could mention that maybe your colleagues/juniors that are being paid more than you would like to pull together and lower their high demands so that you all get paid the same?
Other than that - start looking for a new job...
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V good point, BtB. All equal, some more equal than others, and all that. Apparently, the two sales boys are paid different salaries, unbeknownst to them, and both paid less than the friend of theirs girl they got in, without interview, to run events. Imagine if that were to get out. Oof.
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I sense an opportunity for office sabotage...
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Guess who just got their Mcdonald's discount card?!
That's right baby!
Leave herbs, he doesn't seem to be being particularly nice to you, has he been supportive at any point in your career? He must have done something good aside from underpaid you?
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: !!! That's worth knowing! In the climax to my first book this chick tortures a guy by cutting his eyelids off with nail scissors, and it's like, one of the most memorable bits of the book. I've argued ever since with Octavia about keeping it in because she claims you couldn't do it. Ha!
actually in the book it's nail clippers she uses, rather than nail scissors, but I bet it's still possible.
That was the whole crux of the argument! I said you could do it with scissors because they're all about the slicing and the sharpness, which you need for skin, not with clippers because they're about pounds per square inch of pressure which you need for nails. It's important to get these details right. You'd be a rubbish torturer. Your victim'd be there tapping his fingers impatiently while you tried to do something using the wrong implement.
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quote:Originally posted by herbs: I'm still here! Some residual strand of moral fibre is preventing me handing my notice in just before boss's holiday (next week) as he'll worry about it.
I really hope you spent the entire time he was on holiday looking for new jobs... I've been in that 'let's-all-pull-together' rubbish with bosses, and it does feel like a personal betrayal to 'let them down'. BUT it's always a boost to put your CV together and think actually, I rock then speak to other people who concur. After that it's a breeze handing your notice in. Come work in Oxford, it's lovely here. Posts: 3340
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He's still away, so... yes, there's a lot of looking at recruitment agencies going on. I've been away, too, for a therapeutic long weekend on tour in Utrecht with my choir, making me even less enamoured with current sitch.
When I think of not being here, I get an excited feeling.
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quote:Originally posted by herbs: When I think of not being here, I get an excited feeling.
This is good. You're not on three months' notice or anything awful, are you?
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quote:Originally posted by herbs: No - four weeks. Though I suspect boss thinks I'm on three months... Tee hee.
Coolio. So you can save up holiday as well, then have the satisfaction of presenting him with your letter of resignation and watch his dawning realisation that thanks to his skinflintedness he now only has ten working days of your skillz left and after that he's fucked.Posts: 3340
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Verily. Though due to that very skinflintedness, we only get 20 days hol a year, so pro-rata-ing that down means a less impressive shafting.
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