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should the little fella be let off for his crimes, or locked up for a long time? His crimes was pretty wack, yo. getting a kid wasted and then bumming her. That's not how you're supposed to roll, even if you are pals with Irish. You shouldn't go fucking little kids, that shit be nasty.
The kid herself is grown up and is all like 'whatevs' about it, and is not pursuing a conviction. Yet, the penal system requires a punishment. Has anybody peeped the film about this? A chick made a film about it. Supposed to be alright. I haven't seen it.
Anyway, what do you reckon? Why not Have you Say?
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I guess he should go down. It shouldn't be up to the kid / woman to decide on how the law of the land should be dished out. and also if you think about other dudes and chicks who are found out with this kind of thing, raping children etc, long after it happened, it seems like they should go down. that's what I think should happen. Either that or all the parents from america surround his house and set fire to it and then he can come back and haunt the dreams of teenagers, recreating scenes from repulsion over and over again before killing them with a camera like that dude in hellraiser 3 lol.
but you can't really say because some dude is a great artist and has on the whole probably been good for society, that he gets away with bumming kids.
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Human beings...place a lot of empthasis on the passing of time, but if the law hasn't changed, it's still the same as when he was last in the country. I guess the Americans have a sense of not being able to cheat 'Justice' so I wonder if this is about doing the right thing because whether the victim does want to go through with court proceedings, it kind of suggests that if the victim is cool with it then it isn't a crime. Like, If you were to murder someone but the person, their friends and family are down with it, then it's acceptable. Like euthanasia. Wa-ait.
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I guess he should go down. It shouldn't be up to the kid / woman to decide on how the law of the land should be dished out.
I agree with this.
But! I can see how the woman in question would be sort of frustrated with the idea that the American legal system insisting on her inability to to give consent. If she's all like "You know, I actually thought it was Ok", and the Legal System is all like "No you were raped" and she's all like "I didn't feel raped. I don't want to have been raped just because you say I was," then there's sort of a problem there maybe with a system that's taking ownership of an individual's perception of what's happened to them. I don't know. I suppose if the justice system is to have any value or purpose it does need to keep grinding away on its own terms irrespective of what people think they want or need from it.
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: I can see how the woman in question would be sort of frustrated with the idea that the American legal system insisting on her inability to to give consent. If she's all like "You know, I actually thought it was Ok", and the Legal System is all like "No you were raped" and she's all like "I didn't feel raped. I don't want to have been raped just because you say I was,"
Apparently this isn't the case though. She has said in the past that she wishes reporters would drop the whole thing, but she hasn't said she wasn't raped, and it was in an extreme way as well (if there is non-extreme rape, I don't know). I mean, it wasn't "just" that he had sex with an underage girl, he raped her while she kept saying no all the way through. From what I've read.
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: I can see how the woman in question would be sort of frustrated with the idea that the American legal system insisting on her inability to to give consent. If she's all like "You know, I actually thought it was Ok", and the Legal System is all like "No you were raped" and she's all like "I didn't feel raped. I don't want to have been raped just because you say I was,"
Apparently this isn't the case though. She has said in the past that she wishes reporters would drop the whole thing, but she hasn't said she wasn't raped, and it was in an extreme way as well (if there is non-extreme rape, I don't know). I mean, it wasn't "just" that he had sex with an underage girl, he raped her while she kept saying no all the way through. From what I've read.
She also pursued and won a private case against Polanski from what the Beeb were saying in the online news, perhaps she feels he's been punished through his wallet.
Also thorn: Even if she had said she didn't feel she'd been raped, she was OK with it etc etc, she was a minor at the time and her judgement not therefore coming from a mature perspective (hence it would have been at least statutory rape).
If you do the crime you should do the time. I don't care if you've subsequently got married, had kids, led an upstanding moral life, or that 30 years have elapsed. That's irrelevant.
I believe that he was charged at the time but ran for the hills, therefore statute of limitations doesn't apply, but can anyone in the know tell me if there is a statute of limitations in the US on this sort of crime?
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I saw RP: Wanted & Desired when it was on recently - it's kind of worth seeing as a reminder of the good and bad of that whole era. On the one hand, Polanski was feted as a serious - also tremendously successful - artist; on the other, the whole scenario of him tackily staging a 'photo shoot', drugging the girl then - no two ways about it - raping her... ...then seemingly expecting to get away with it.
The doc makes a strong case for the trial being a complete pig's breakfast - and yet... the prospect of a suspended sentence for what he did would really have been a total piss-take. One might argue that the judge - who was a publicity hungry fuck-up - came to the right decision for the wrong reasons.
It's actually quite fascinating, watching the French/Swiss outrage at the arrest. As a commenter on the Monde website noted, had the offender been some young dude named Mahmoud, from a tower block in the banlieue the public reaction would no doubt have been rather different.
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quote:Originally posted by H1ppychick: Also thorn: Even if she had said she didn't feel she'd been raped, she was OK with it etc etc, she was a minor at the time and her judgement not therefore coming from a mature perspective (hence it would have been at least statutory rape).
I understand that. I understand that's how it works. I was just musing on the ideology of a system that reclassifies an individual's experience in a way that they may not agree with. I was also partly thinking of recent developments in UK law that rule that a woman can't give consent if she's drunk. If a woman goes out and gets loaded and laid on a Saturday night then - as I understand it - she's technically been raped, regardless of how she feels about it. Again the same argument that one's judgement on Monday (favourable though it may be) is not coming from the same perspective (sober rather than drunk) applies. Being able to sort of... take ownership of someone's perspective of events like that seems intrusive and maybe patronising.
But it's a moot point in this instance if she always felt that she was assaulted.
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right. Well this thing is at four and I'm in london now, haven't left the office yet. I could probably go at any time maybe if i aim to get there for around 2 - 2.30 that's time for a coffee / pint.
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I realise I'm late to this thread and everyone's long since lost interest. But.
I'm not coming down on one side or the other - I don't know enough about it - but I find the insistence on 'doing time' incredibly unimaginative and tedious. OK, so if someone does something bad, then they should make up for it. But is prison the only answer? RP's career since then probably hasn't been sufficiently socially responsible to make the case that he felt so bad about the whole thing that it changed the way he worked forever. But 30 years of not being able to go home should count for something. I know the exile is self-imposed because he didn't want to go through the court case, but it's still exile. I don't know, I just don't see what purpose is served by sending a man who clearly isn't a danger to 13-year-olds to prison. Unless someone's actually a threat and needs to be removed, shouldn't there be other punishments?
And does anybody care At All at this end of the day?
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