quote:Originally posted by ralph: That friend of yours is an idiot, no?
No matter which way you cut it, he was driven back to a vegetarian diet because he would painfully endure his vegan girlfriend squeeling 'I can't believe that man is going to eat meat, on a table next to me!' If it's a lifestyle choice, then he chose not to ram his opinions onto anyone else, eat a balanced diet and shun the moral brow-beating that comes with it. So yeah, he's a fucking mong, obviously.
quote:Originally posted by Waynster: When did you take the decision to have a pop at me BM?
You obviously haven't been deprogrammed. I had a pop at the army, Waynster. Not you. You chose to jump in feet-first with a super-touchy defense of the armed forces. I called you a puppy. I then called you a murderer. Now you've lost the plot completely. I'll tell you what I'm going to do Waynster, this doesn't happen very often so make the most of it, I'm going to apologise. I'm going to apologise for calling you a puppy. I also apologise for calling you a murderer. I apologise for assuming you had an ounce of intelligence or wit. You're a great advert for the army, Waynster. Sorry. I apologise. Let's hope they keep churning out geniuses just like you.
Now...
For everybody else, I'd like to restate my hyperbolic, exaggerated, metabigoted, thought-it-was-pretty-transparent-what-I-was-doing-there, manifestly obtuse, ludicrously generalised opinion that everyone in the army is a mentally sub-normal, genocidal maniac. Hopefully this little interlude hasn't fucked up the thread.
quote:Originally posted by Waynster: I suppose I would have to, but I certainly would question any time I had to.
Whilst not on BMs side in this argument, I do find this sentance strange, I would have thought as the main purpose of the army appears to be to defend this country (which history has shown us usually involves killing other people), to join and then use the word "suppose" in relation to killing people seems a little naive. Also whilst not questioning would lead into the argument "I was only following orders", questioning every single time seems to make the army appear some sort of democracy which it certainly isn't.
As for Colchester I was a student there for 4 years and lived there for 5 years. 3 of those years were going out with a squaddie and working in a pub frequented by them. Whilst they weren't exactly meek lambs I did find that 9 out of 10 brawls were not started by them but usually by townies wanting to have a go. However if you challenge a squaddie you challenge his mates and therefore you are likely to come off worse. All the squaddies I talked to and knew liked their jobs too much to get in trouble with the Military Police unless provoked first (and by this I actually mean someone else throwing the first punch rather than just throwing insults.)
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Gemini - I guess it all really depends on the situation. Yes you are under military law and if that law dictates you accept the command of your superior. However if you are under attack, and your and your comrades lives are in danger of being extinguished you would of course retaliate with the same avengeance without thought, but if I were ordered to open fire on innocent civilians or someone unarmed and not posing a threat, any person of any intelligence would question it in their right mind (although Black Mask has already deemed me devoid of this, so I'd probably just shoot them to shit). I mean you are about to snuff someone's life - no small feat, and something you will have on your mind for the rest of your life. But then again I would also hope that the second situation is something only reserved for Hollywood and I hope not the British Army.
Like I said before, I never joined the army to kill people, and I think anyone who does is either denied entry or soon whittled out if discovered, although ultimately that is what you are trained to do. I was never "programmed" when in either, and I can only assume Black Mask's idea of this is generated from watching Full Metal Jacket, as he has still not offered a tangible reason for his opinion, but I say again most of the people I met in the Army were intelligent and opinionated enough to know the difference between carrying out an order and understanding the consequences of their actions. But then again I could never give a true answer as I was never in the position to make that decision - its a very difficult answer to call so many years after the fact.
quote:Originally posted by Waynster: However if you are under attack, and your and your comrades lives are in danger of being extinguished you would of course retaliate with the same avengeance without thought, but if I were ordered to open fire on innocent civilians or someone unarmed and not posing a threat, any person of any intelligence would question it in their right mind
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Black Mask, what is your problem? No really, I want to know. You constantly question everything I say in this thread, denounce what intelligence I have and declare me devoid of wit, and yet respond to something you find disagreeable with the idiotic and benign use of a 'LOL'. If that's what intelligence and wit really is, then quite clearly I have no clue whatsover and am not worthy to partake in debate on these boards.
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