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May I be the first to bang on about Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.
Pretty much the same as the first one- pretty cheekbones, pretty ships, pretty beaches, great action scenes, cracking dialogue, silly plot involving debts and curses, plenty of gags- including ace one-liners and visual jokes. Also, some good non-pc depcitions of naked natives talking in nonsense jibber-jabber and generally acting like godless savages- as immortalised by P Jackson in King Kong. Orlando is wet and shirtless at one point. Grrrr. The whole audience really enjoyed it and was cheering and laughing all the way through. I shall definitely be seeing it again.
Stay til the end of the credits for a good closing gag.
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Bonus- it's already been asked on Barbelith if this film isn't "awfully racist", due to featuring the aforementioned cannibals. I hope this seal of approval convinces you all to go and see it.
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Geoffrey Rush should be ashamed of himself for appearing in another one of these horrible films. I used to respect him a lot as an actor (i.e. Quills) but now he's dead to me. Dead.
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I saw the first one and found it quite boring. I don't know if this helps. It seemed not as fun or emotionally involving as the Monkey Island games, which were also inspired by the same funfair ride and featured ghost pirates etc.
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I'm quite excited about it too, but that's because beckett no lets out a meaty "Yarrrrrrr" when he sees the adverts on TV, Pirates, you've got to love them.
Slightly bothered that Davy Jones looks like Zoidberg or an Ood, but I expect it's a good, old fashioned romp none the less.
Tell me VP, what is this films "But Why Is The Rum Gone"
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quote:Originally posted by Darryn.R: Tell me VP, what is this films "But Why Is The Rum Gone"
There are more rum gags. I have a favourite line, but it would be a spoiler to mention it.
Benway, just what exactly does it take for a film to excite you? A 60 ft Japanese lesbian firing machine guns out of her arse?
Also, the trailer for the new Bond film is very stylish. Not completely sold on that blond bloke, but am quite looking forward to that now.
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quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Benway, just what exactly does it take for a film to excite you? A 60 ft Japanese lesbian firing machine guns out of her arse?
Well, that does sounds pretty good. Perhaps Tsukamoto could pick this up for Tetsuo 3. The first POTC seemed quite flat to me. I watched the whole thing, but the only sequence I can really remember is a sword fight that involved Orlando Bloom. It wasn't an emotional ride for me. There was no tension, no depth or dimension to the characters, and this odd sense of just going from one fight or chase to the next, and the bits in between being inconsequential. I suppose if I thought that Depp's performance was hilarious then I would have liked it, and while it was diverting, it also added to the lack of focus. So, perhaps where the film really fell down was in the storytelling.
Also, a film can survive this kind of thing as long as falls into the 'cool' or 'weird' categories (for example: Killer androids, gratuitous sex/nudity, car crashes, mutants, aliens, ultra violence, 70s, 80s, good soundtrack, afros, swearing, drugs, insanity, serial killers, dystopia, assassins, air disasters, parties with funky music, pretentious black and white, eye fucking montages, torture, gang related violence) and POTC had neither. There was nothing that made the film stand out other than the weird Depp thing.
I didn't hate it, but it didn't move me.
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quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: I did however enjoy the award winning lesbian scene in the porn version. That was emotionally engaging.
I watched that too... What was with the spitting/smacking the fanny all about?
I'm not a big pr0n watcher and I'm unsure if this is the 'new' facial, but it was odd non-the-less!
I particularly liked the legless (not drunk, proper legless) pirate and his mates shouting "HUZZAR" at inappropriate times whilst watching the ladie-action. What more could you ask for? Watching some muff diving whilst drinking beer out of a flagon and shouting "HUZZAR"?!?
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i went to see prirtes of the caribbean yesterday. eh. it was riproaring, and johnny reprised his role as Teh Ultim8 Kewl efficiently, but i kinda... why do films feel so loooong now? the whole thing felt a bit episodic and overstuffed to me, and about 85% less funny than the original. also, keira knightly's chin- based acting style is now so pronounced that at several points in the movie she looks as if she actually suffering some sort of facial palsy.
also, ive just remembered in the period of time it took me to transfer this bit of post from the other thread- all the way through the movie the two girls i was sitting next to insisted on reprising the action of the scene that had proceeded in not- quite- audible whispers, whilst- and this was really weird- gesturing towards the screen with palms held aloft and wrists bared in this unbearably girly 'what the fuck? what just happened?' kind of gesture. what must it be like to live with a brain that finds it difficult to cut through the plot complexities of a a certificate 12a disney movie, for fucks sake. can you even imagine that. towards the end i began to hope that i was misinterpreting the 'pointing at the screen with palms raised' as not so much questioning but more 'can you believe this shit? im loving this film! where do they come up with these fabulous ideas!' but i really dont think i was.
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THAR BE SPOILERS I couldn't fault Depp, who was camp hilarity throughout, and although it took a fucking age to get going, once it did finally get going, i.e. once they finally got to Tortuga, it was pretty good. The extended sequence on the cannibal island was cracking witty action/comedy.
However I thought much of it was far too dark in the most boring way, the stuff with Bootstrap a horribly misjudged downer and I thought Davy Jones was crap, blame for which I'd divide between Bill Nighy's awful Scottish performance, and the action figure character design.
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quote:Originally posted by dance margarita: [QB]and about 85% less funny than the original./QB]
and I thought the original was bad! I'll wait until it comes out on TV....
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I concur with dance and her 85% less funny. A sadly failed attempt to capture the sheer unadulterated fun of the original. Over-plotted, not greatly scripted, overly long and a bit of a hotch potch of plots. Overall, a bit meh. Johnny Depp was sexy as all fuck, as always, but the wasn't enough pure Sparrow in there. The three way sword fight was good, as was the degenerated Commodore but Bill Nighy was reet rubbish and someone shoot shoot Knightley to put us all out of our misery. Disappointed. But at least it got me out of the house.
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I'm going to shoot Keira Knightley at her next Leicester Square premiere. Seriously. I'm going to shoot her in the face. She's been sending me signals in her films. It's so obvious. She wants me to kill her because she can't stand living without me. I am serious.
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Benway. should you decide to execute Keira, could you make sure you have a pop at sexless wunderyawn Orlando too? Thanks!
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Really? I definitely laughed as much as in the first one, and wanted to see it again straightaway. I suppose with the first one it had massive novelty value- a film based on a Disney park ride had absolutely no right to be good, and there hadn't been a decent pirate film in years. You know what you're getting now.
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People declaring this film is a 'failure' and '85% less funny' than the original are grossly wrong, unfortunately. Sad that it's always the same braindead crowd that wheel out the usual cliches when talking about sequels (oo! I know what you're supposed to say about big budget Hollywood sequels: they're not as good the original and maybe 'bloated' is a good word) in lieu of actual considered opinion.
As VP points out, the sequel is inevitably going to lack the novelty of the first film, the sheer suprise of Johnny Depp's performance and the realisation that what was supposed to be the worst film of the summer turned out to be the best. It's not a trick you can pull twice. However, 'Dead Man's Chest' plays to the strengths of having its characters firmly established. The best example of this is in the use of Captain Jack Sparrow to create a sense that this time out the stakes have been raised and anything can happen. The first film had Jack being invincibly cunning and charming throughout; here's he's hunted and vulnerable, terrified of the open sea and starting to turn on the people whose lives he saved in the first film. Jack borders on villainy in DMC - actually willing to sacrifice Will Turner's eternal soul to get out of paying his debt. In the first film Jack's a gentleman pirate: we hear how he once sacked a port without firing a shot. Dead Man's Chest sees him blithely recruiting 100 sailors in order to save his own soul. His shadowy motives and growing shift towards simply looking after Number One gives the film a sinister dramatic edge that keeps it suprising and sets it apart from the first installment.
Also, one thing I'm suprised hasn't been mentioned on here yet is the production design. The rent-a-criticism line most often peddled about the first film by thickies who wanted to sound discerning was that the only thing that elevated the movie was Johnny Depp. However, this misses out the splendid amount of work that went into the creation of the world. Dead Man's Chest absolutely surpasses it for visual invention, adding an extra layer of genuine pleasure for anyone who enjoys watching imagination run riot. Davy Jones's gang of sailors morphing into sea creatures is an inspired idea fully realised: the point at which one decapitated crew member turned his face into his shell and scuttled off on hermit crab legs induced a gasp of pleasure for the simple joy of an amusing and original idea. The Flying Dutchman itself was a fantastic piece design; beautiful, terrifying and detailed. It's the kind of thing that sums up what really sets the Pirates movies apart, the way they go beyond the simply neccesary and cram wit and invention into every corner of the film.
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Some mixed opinions thus far, but certainly no denying the film's popularity to date.
quote:The film, starring Johnny Depp, raked in $62.2m (£34m) during its second weekend in cinemas, bringing the film's earnings to $258.2m (£141m) so far.
"It's really fun when you're riding a comet like this," said Chuck Viane, Disney's head of distribution.
Pirates has shot past the year's next biggest earner, X-Men: The Last Stand.
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: People declaring this film is a 'failure' and '85% less funny' than the original are grossly wrong, unfortunately. Sad that it's always the same braindead crowd that wheel out the usual cliches when talking about sequels (oo! I know what you're supposed to say about big budget Hollywood sequels: they're not as good the original and maybe 'bloated' is a good word) in lieu of actual considered opinion.
How clever of you Thorn, to dismiss the opinions of others whilst establishing you're own indisputable position as the board's foremost intellectual iconoclast, you are truly a power to behold. I find it 'sad' that you mar an otherwise reasonable critical post with this sort of pointless throwaway jibe.
I thought some of the character design was reasonably witty, the shell-headed fella inparticular, but I also thought the CGI instigation of much of it was pretty shoddy. And for me the most significant creature/character designs in this film, those of Davy Jones and Bootstrap Bill, were abject failures.
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Maybe that's fair. The 15 year old work experience kid in the office just declared it "terrible", so obviously there's a particular mindset that shares the opinion of Louche et al, which I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss.
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smackdown!
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By regurgitating the same tired shtick from your original post and not actually responding to the point I made about the failings of character design you praised you really smacked me, my opinions, and anyone who might happen to have a different opinion from your own, right down. Clearly I'm the one acting like a 15 year old.
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If it helps, I saw a T4 special on this film, and I thought that it looked pretty good when the ship went underwater, but Depp irritated me in the few short clips they played.
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