quote:Originally posted by Endemic: I don't see how those seemingly randomly selected news stories are reinforccing stereotypes of Manchester and Scotland?
Both have a reputation for barbaric, even sub-human, violence - especially Manchester?
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quote:Originally posted by ben: Both have a reputation for barbaric, even sub-human, violence - especially Manchester?
I'd contest that, actually. Firstly because I don't think either have that reputation - or at least not any more so than Newcastle and Birmingham and Liverpool and London. You can yank out stories about barbaric violence from all of these cities/places and people would barely be shocked by it. You're also making a point completely different from the one which I was making. Mine was lol at Liverpool living up to a silly stereotype. You're saying look at Manchester and Scotland being violent - which everyone knows they are! It was, like, totally out of left field. Plus the news story you posted wasn't from Manchester, which doesn't really help much.
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quote:Originally posted by Endemic: I sent this to OJ yesterday. I love Liverpool. Everytime someone attempts to defend it it simply ups the ante and does something even more cliched than ever before.
She did. I LOLed.
Then I submitted a grant application to the Arts Council for a performance piece in which Boris Johnson is forced to crawl the length of Hope Street eating 2008 of his own words with a silver spoon once owned by a slave merchant.
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quote:Originally posted by Endemic: I'd contest that, actually. Firstly because I don't think either have that reputation - or at least not any more so than Newcastle and Birmingham and Liverpool and London. You can yank out stories about barbaric violence from all of these cities/places and people would barely be shocked by it.
Mmmm. Well, you see, I just did a search for "Manchester murder" on BBC News and that called up 1,729 results, compared to Newcastle's 173, Birmingham's 417 and Liverpool's 336. Only London got more (1,987) but, you know, London's a bit bigger than Manchester.
Scientific? No - but perhaps there's something about the sort of murders that get committed in Manchester that make them more than usually horrifying. I don't know.
Hard facts for our tormented brothers and sisters in Scotland and Manchester to bear, but the sooner they - you, Louche - admit they (you) have a problem, the sooner the healing can begin.
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Obviously Endemic/Louche is well capable of arguing about Manchester all by her very self.
However, the pedant in me has to tell you that the case you quote took place in Wigan, Greater Manchester. If you're going to include all the parts of what most of us commonly think of as Lancashire and Cheshire, that come under the administrative umbrella of Greater Manchester, then you probably are talking about a conurbation the size of London.
This is also the reason your BBC search might yield so many stories for "Manchester". Greater Manchester stories will be handled by the Manchester newsroom, which will be reflected in the URL and the metadata.
Sorry boring.
*slinks off to re-read Mary Barton, all full of coarse Mancunian menace and ready to smite*
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quote:Originally posted by ben: Well, you see, I just did a search for "Manchester murder" on BBC News and that called up 1,729 results, compared to Newcastle's 173, Birmingham's 417 and Liverpool's 336. Only London got more (1,987) but, you know, London's a bit bigger than Manchester.
If you repeat that on Google news the results are:
And at least half of the Manchester results I blame on Shipman. Similarly unscientific. Totally different result. Oh, and Liverpool gets 487 for murder and only 39 for grief - perhaps I was wrong about that sterotype. :grin:
quote:Hard facts for our tormented brothers and sisters in Scotland and Manchester to bear, but the sooner they - you, Louche - admit they (you) have a problem, the sooner the healing can begin.
We must try so much harder to be like our peaceable southern brethren. i whisper it to myself every night, you know.
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In fairness, Google news harvests stories from a much shorter period than those still on the BBC news site - it might be that Manchester's currently having a comparatively quiet period as the nuts and torturers stock up for Bonfire Night.
Is okay, btw, Louche - I'm not actually accusing you yourself of being a murderer! Think Dang 65's probably not the murdering type, either.
And I'm faaaiirly sure Lucid never kept anyone prisoner in his basement before murdering them.
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quote:Originally posted by ben: In fairness, Google news harvests stories from a much shorter period than those still on the BBC news site - it might be that Manchester's currently having a comparatively quiet period as the nuts and torturers stock up for Bonfire Night.
Perhaps it's been quieter on the muder front in Manchester since you left? Not that I'm accusing you of being a murderer, Ben!
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lol - seriously: if I was to go on a three month killing spree, bumping off almost a dozen prostitutes and homeless people in a five mile wide corridor either side of the M60 there's no way anyone would ever find out! Do you see
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I overheard this guy in a fashuny restaurant once, bellowing that he'd moved to 'the warzone'. Did he mean Mogadishu? An appalling Ray Winstone film?
Harlesden. I'v never been there. Is it bad? I've never been to Wood Green either, which is meant to be bad too. Lived in Deptford for ages - twas lovely.
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quote:Originally posted by vikram: Harlesden. I'v never been there. Is it bad?
It has a club called 'Time' as far as I remember -so rarely an indicator of quality.
I left in the middle of this by Harmony Korrine, it still makes me feel nauseous to think that I paid money to watch it. I think I watched an entire series of 'Spaced' afterwards to flush it out of my mind.
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