quote:The law is to be changed to allow two prostitutes and a receptionist or maid to work together legally in brothels, the government has confirmed.
Ministers have ditched earlier plans for licensed red-light zones, believing they could send out the wrong message.
But prostitute groups said crackdowns could put sex workers in greater danger.
Former home secretary David Blunkett announced plans in 2004 to decriminalise some brothels in what would have been the biggest shake-up of prostitution laws for 50 years.
But the Home Office has rejected this proposal, saying prostitution blighted communities.
The only time I ever attempted to get sex for cash, it ended in embarrasing failure. But for many men, paying for sex is the only way they can get it. Maybe you're ugly as sin, but not depressed enough to join a swingers club. Maybe you lead a busy international lifestyle, making long term relationships difficult. Or, more commonly, perhaps you're a fucking freak, and it's the only option you've got - nobody will sleep with you for love, so it's got to be money. Whatever your reasons, it has just been made a bit more okay to do it!
So, now it's okay to run cheery little brothels from your living room. Is this enough though? I've been to the 'dam and seen the chicks in the windows, and it seems reasonable enough, but could it work here? I watched some program about a load of whores at a whorehouse in America, and they all get on and have a laugh, and it's basically like a big holiday.
Is whoring actually, you know, bad? If not, then why don't we just have one on every high street?
Lastly, why not post your funny stories of going to see whores?
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Even here in whore happy Holland we still have junkie street whores who you can pay to fuck you in your Opal whilst in a glorified 'red light' car park. These are skanky, unwashed toothless crones who probably don't charge as much as your higher class window hookers simply because of either the need for drugs or the lower overhead costs.
If these UK brothels end up being glorified crack den cum cum depositaries I can't imagine anyone wanting one in their street (How are they going to zone them ?)
Better to have it out in the open though, make them pay tax too, which should bolster up the economy.
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I was chatting to a worker from the Angel Project. She was telling me of girls who now just work to pay for a rock, then go back and smoke it, come out again to earn enough, etc... Crack has changed the whoring in East London. Girls she has known for years are just crack whores now. It made me squirm to hear of one girl whose hair was crawling with lice,letting a guy do her without a condom for £10. There was a child seat in the back of the car.... Will making things legal change this?
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Me and Dougie staked out Portman Road in Ipswich once (before it was made a no-go-between-7-and-7 area and was still Ipswich's top whore hang out) and waited for a whore to pick up a 'trick', so we could follow them in Dougie's Datsun Cherry. After about an hour, we got lucky. We followed them to a car park, gave it a couple of minutes and then we moved in for a closer look. They were at it. A man and an actual whore, at it. Imagine my shock when Dougie hammered on the window and actually opened the passenger door. This wasn't part of the plan.
"Police!" Dougie announced, confidently. To be fair, the man shit himself. He was pulling up his trousers and looked like he was about to get down on his knees and plead to the Lord to forgive him. The whore was less impressed. I can't blame her. Undercover police generally don't wear silver Farahs and Diadora Borg Elites and drive Japanese hatchbacks with hardly any clutch plates.
"Show me some fucking ID." She cooed.
"ID!" Dougie ordered holding out his hand to me.
I just winged it and handed him my wallet. He flashed it at our whore as if it contained a badge.
"Let me have a better look."
He handed her my wallet. With my fucking name and address in it. She opened it and looked at my name and address. Dougie suddenly snatched it back, grabbed her exposed tit in one hand, squeezed it very hard and shouted, rather imaginatively I thought, "You fucking whore!"
Then we ran off and drove home. I was worried for weeks that she had memorised my address and would come and kill me with *whore weapons. Oh those were the days.
quote:Originally posted by jonesy999: Dougie suddenly snatched it back, grabbed her exposed tit in one hand, squeezed it very hard and shouted, rather imaginatively I thought, "You fucking whore"
hahahahahahahahahahahaha - ha !
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I don't know if anyone else saw that bleak drama Sex Traffic last year, but that made a pretty powerful impression on me in its depiction of the awful predicament of young women tricked into coming to the UK (even abducted) on the promise of a legit job and finding themselves being forced into prostitution (or, 'raped repeatedly' if you prefer) by vicious pimps once they got here.
I suppose some will chide me for being naive and relate instances of prostitutes being savvy, empowered women who oughtn't be patronised so - I don't know, though. Seems to me that the whole phenomenon is bound up with exploitation of one kind or another.
If we're talking about 'zones of tolerance' maybe it'd be better to have individual booths in licensed internet cafes where guys can wank themselves into a stupor over hardcore porn without having to trouble any 'real' ladies?
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quote:Originally posted by Good Fairy: Will making things legal change this?
I think so, and then again I don't.
There will always be a poor junkie whores, that’s a fact that will remain as long as there are drugs and poverty.
But for those who actually 'whore' professionally it could improve things no end, proper health plans, a union, real contracts and pensions, hell turning it into a real job means that it is a real job.
I guess junkies will still screw junkie whores – think of it as a sort of sexual gentrification if you will – Thanks New Labour !
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I've mentioned it before, but I heartily recommend a look at *PunterNet - a site dedicated to those who regularly visit prostitutes. The best bit has to be the field reports which are epinions-like reviews of the girls and their abilities:
quote:Description: Blonde, early 20's, Latvian; good figure, ample bust but not curvaceous. Girl-next-door looks, not a stunner by any chalk of the imagination but extremely pleasant with good English.
Comments: This would have been an extremely good GFE, if only she were my girlfriend (but of course she's not). Enthusistic, lots of attention and nice subtle touches, clearly engaged with her work and no clock watching at all. Oral with, reverse which she genuinely seemed to enjoy before momentarily blacking out and mumbling vague nothings in Latvian, mish, lots of little pecks and nibbles.
This was a good punt, entirely enjoyable and extremely refreshing after 90 mins up the M4 on the way back from Cardiff. Lana is an extremely nice girl and it is impossible to fault her.
Maybe I should fault me, however - whether I am just getting too old, or maybe it's the weather or the state of the tides, but, I don't know, I find it hard to get excited about this one and I won't be back to see Lana again. She is a fine girl, and streets better than other girls who work here (who are generally of a consistently good standard) but something just didn't click for me.
When I visited this site, I was surprised by how many prostitutes were operating in my home town. Especially the knocking shop which is located just opposite this picturesque church:
Personally I hope I would never need to visit a prostitute, but I don't have any moral objections to other people doing so, provided that all parties are consenting adults and necessary precautions are taken.
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sex with a trafficked or drug addicted 'sex worker' (slave) is pretty much rape. i don't give a shit about the higher end of the industry - escorts, call-outs - but fail to see how making the great bulk of prostitution in 21st century social democratic britain (ha!) more 'open' is (a) 'liberal' (b) a good thing.
quote: Oral with, reverse which she genuinely seemed to enjoy before momentarily blacking out and mumbling vague nothings in Latvian, mish, lots of little pecks and nibbles.
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gfe = girlfriend experience. reverse oral = (i think) cunnilingus. blacking out meant she orgasmed.
gawd abby, what is wrong with you duh!
who will be teh first to claim that prositution is good for society cuz frustrated men have a sexual outlet so won't need to rape non-whores better than working in a factory only seen as wrong because of those silly hypocritical victorians empowering lol a career option you'd be happy for anyone you love (or vaguely give a shit about) to pursue
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I don't think prostitution is 'good for society', but attacking it is kind of like shooting the messenger - it exists because people in their tens of thousands want it to exist. Given its ubiquity down the ages it seems as though eradicating it is nigh on impossible. In the meantime it seems better for the men and women involved for society to at least try and develop a situation where it can be policed and practiced in safety, which I understand is the intention of these new laws.
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Many people have consensual non-consensual sex. ConNonCon. Less sickly than Rom Com and less scarey than NonCon Sub-Dom. Its exactly Vik's kind of fundamentalist thinking that has caused all the problems.
Clearly the man's a poltroon and a vagabond. Roy mentioned his beating at the hands of robo-cop just the other day. Its clearly a source of frottage to him and we all know that when he said 'girlfriend' he meant '$10 whore with a uniform specialisation'. Whether he's into Kinky Stinky or Back-Door Flush, I don't wish to stick my nose in his sex, I wonder why you do.
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quote:Originally posted by Roy: I think that prostitutes should be allowed to get on with it, but the pimps should be killed.
So they get to keep the money they're earning, while the people who have formally exploited them and kept the lion's share of the profits get put to death? Fuck that - why should prostitutes have it so much better than everyone else?
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Given its ubiquity down the ages it seems as though eradicating it is nigh on impossible.
Tuberculosis, bloodsports, asylums as a form of light entertainment, wife beating and child soldiers are all things that have been ubiquitous 'down the ages'. Of course, all these can and have been radically curtailed - if not actually eradicated - where the public concern and political will has existed.
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Well, unless we can either fix the economy, nationalise all female bodies, or invent a cure for sex, I don't see how it can be stopped. I would also cast doubt on your wife beating figures there. I bet it still goes on loads. Perhaps the best thing would be if more sluts were willing to fuck for free. There would be no point in any kind of sex trade if dudes could get it for free from sluts.
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Given its ubiquity down the ages it seems as though eradicating it is nigh on impossible.
Tuberculosis, bloodsports, asylums as a form of light entertainment, wife beating and child soldiers are all things that have been ubiquitous 'down the ages'. Of course, all these can and have been radically curtailed - if not actually eradicated - where the public concern and political will has existed.
Tuberculosis is a completely spurious example; bloodsports - you actually argued for the continuation of. The use of child soldiers is completely within the control of the Government as it's down to them who they recruit to the army. With asylums it's relatively simple to stop people touring them because they're legitimate and therefore subject to state control. Wife beating - isn't domestic violence on the increase at the moment? Either way, it's a different situation because the victim in a wife beating doesn't actually become a criminal by being beaten.
None of your examples - especially the tuberculosis one, ffs - really work as comparison points. Actually the asylums one works best insofar as it at least gives an example of the manner in which exploitation can be minimised if an institution is legal.
In making brothels legal it affords people protection from the law and rights to a certain level of safe practices. What's more, legal brothels reduce the demand for kidnapped sex workers co-erced into the industry. I can't think of a single country, anywhere, that has managed to wipe out prostitution, anymore than they wipe out drug use. So the alternative is to provide the safest possible environment for those involved.
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quote:Originally posted by Dr. Benway: Perhaps the best thing would be if more sluts were willing to fuck for free. There would be no point in any kind of sex trade if dudes could get it for free from sluts.
You've obviously never been clubbing in Reading on a Friday night.
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After doing a 'web presence' for an escort (very lucrative), I can tell you that atleast on the 'top end' of the scale as in escorts and not the 15 year old fresh from the container ship, they are just making money doing a job... Nothing more, nothing less.
She had an 8 year old kid who she had in a private (or state school... I get confused... The one where you pay for them to attend like Eaton), own her house, well groomed, etc etc.... And talking to her 'outside' the confines of her job, she viewed it like any other person would do their 9-5 job. Which I'll admit made me feel a bit weird, but hey, she was paying me good money so fuck it, yeah?
After doing some research into the market so that I could do the job she asked me to do, you'd be surprised at just how extensive the online market is for escorts... Before I took on this job, I was naive enough to think if you wanted to blow your load for £20, you had to go to Kings Cross at night or to a 'massage parlour'... But no! The oldest career in history has embrassed the newest technology to make an ultimate pair.
But, that said... You can put a gloss on it all you want, and the girl (or, indeed, guy) could be as clean cut as you can come.... But, it's still a rough business and to only be demostrated by the fact that this girl I was working with has literally dropped off the face of the earth. No contact in over 8 months and none of the ten (10) phone numbers she gave me as contacts work. So... Let that be a lesson to you!
(as an aside, Wayne and Rick... I got your emails mate but shit is very very hectic right now, I'll reply asap)
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You'll probably need to go to Announce for the last part of your post, Sab. I mean, there's no way Rick would sully his spotless soul by reading a post called YOU FUCKING WHORES
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: None of your examples - especially the tuberculosis one, ffs - really work as comparison points. Actually the asylums one works best insofar as it at least gives an example of the manner in which exploitation can be minimised if an institution is legal.
None of those examples was intended to be taken as closely analogous to prostitution - had that been the intention, I'd hardly have mentioned fox hunting, ffs - they were more about addressing your apparent point that age-old longevity of a social ill makes any concerted attempt to combat that ill completely futile.
Up until about a century ago you might have been able to say that, since women had always been regarded as men's property to some degree this would ever be the case - and that trying to change men's attitude, and end the compliance in this arrangement of the majority of women, you would be working hopelessly against the grain.
Clearly, in the case of women's rights - to which the whole issue of prostitution is of course more closely related - sustained political will from a number of directions effected massive transformative change... and in only a handful of generations.
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: In making brothels legal it affords people protection from the law and rights to a certain level of safe practices.
I hate using the n-word, but this really strikes me as astoundingly naive. For a start, what's been proposed is toleration of two-woman mutually-supportive partnerships - not full-scale brothels a la Channel Five's Cathouse. Do you seriously think it's beyond the wit of Balkan pimps to set up their girls two-by-two under the threat of savage retaliation if a word is said to the authorities about the true nature of their business arrangement.
Exploitation rarely announces itself as such - it usually operates under labels like 'protection' and one person 'taking care' of another; the proposed scheme strikes me as fraught with the possibility of commercial sex abuse becoming effectively state-sanctioned.
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: What's more, legal brothels reduce the demand for kidnapped sex workers co-erced into the industry.
Fact or assertion? It seems to me that the advent of legalised - or, at least, tolerated - prostitution will stimulate demand among men who previously might have been too afraid of the possible consquences to themselves of paying for sex (getting nabbed by the cops, beaten and robbed by pimps etc). Naturally, an increase in demand will be satisfied by the existing supply channels.
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: I can't think of a single country, anywhere, that has managed to wipe out prostitution, anymore than they wipe out drug use. So the alternative is to provide the safest possible environment for those involved.
I can't think of a single country, anywhere, that's managed to eradicate drink-driving, but surely the experience of this country demonstrates that a combination of government-sponsored advertising, increased social stigma and vigorous law enforcement can make a huge impact on an prioritised problem.
Turning your question back on you, can you think of a single country anywhere that has succeeded - through providing the 'safest possible environment' - in breaking the inevitable links between whoring and drug addiction, exploitation, rape, abduction, disease and murder by truck drivers?
quote:Originally posted by ben: Turning your question back on you, can you think of a single country anywhere that has succeeded - through providing the 'safest possible environment' - in breaking the inevitable links between whoring and drug addiction, exploitation, rape, abduction, disease and murder by truck drivers?
Yeah - those links have been radically curtailed in Holland and Australia through a more tolerant approach. I believe those are the precedents for the new laws.
Also, the new strategy involves helping women get out of the sex trade and get help for drug addiction, rather than just fining them and tossing them back on the street.
It's all very well stamping your foot and shouting that you think prostitution is WRONG, but that clearly hasn't helped in terms of keeping workers safe. It really does seem worth trying a new strategy, and in this instance I think the approach is worthwhile - geared towards helping victims rather than punishing them.
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