quote:there were 5 pages and I was getting bored after the first one.
Ho hum, another bulletin board debating fashion versus feminism, intelligence and socio-economic class.
Kind of takes the fun out of it
Oh forgodsake this kovacs person sounds like a complete prick.
it is rather reminicent of the dining rooms at work where crusty old academics argue about who has the oldest car
I think they missed the bit where I was hailing them as poets and celebrating their beautiful language of fashion I am misunderstood and hated on every board in the world I think
quote:i'm a little concerned by the people who work in fashion/ teach it / whatever and yet still don't really know what most of these things are. You teach fashion and haven't heard of Marc Jacobs?
Seriously HB Fashion girls! (if any of you get this far down the long thread, and admittedly I don't think I would read it myself if I came to it from another board. You can always just jump to the end like I do.) I was not mocking or insulting you on this thread.
I admit some of your discussion seems specialist and obscure to me, but that kind of expertise in an area I know next to nothing about, and the whole vocabulary I barely understood, is exactly why I found your forum really fascinating.
I meant what I said about the language of fashion having lovely sounds and a kind of poetry to it. Your forum does convey the appeal and excitement of clothes, even if I don't recognise what items you mean from the descriptions... I have asked what the terms meant and have learned something on this thread.
I'm sorry if this, too, sounds a bit dusty and academic. The bottom line is that, knowing little about the stuff you discuss, I still find your forum really interesting and I wanted to know more about the words that, to me, were mysterious... I didn't feel I could really pop up on your board and ask.
eta how can I keep away when you come up with everyday beauty like this
quote:i would describe the grey blazer as 'mink' - it was a taupey grey rather than a charcoal.
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Mentalism indeed! The MUA board is where my ability to speak the language of fashion grinds to a stuttering halt. Say what?
Today is an important day in my workplace. Major strategy announcements. Politics. Redundancies? etc. I have decided to face it anti-corporately and have left the suits and co-ordinating separates at home.
Am wearing -
- Skinny indigo bootcut jeans (Gap) - Long pointed stiletto biker boots (under jeans, narrowly rejected the *over* option). - V neck cotton t-shirt with fake fur shoulder detailing and diagonal sequins (miss sixty) - Oversized princess style vintage cream wool coat for outdoors.
Make of this what you will..... It's not poetry, but it's a statement of a kind.
ps. Kovacs, if you want to delve even deeper into the poetry of aspirational product naming, you should try reading beauty and make-up forums. Today, for example my MAC lipglass is called "Spite" and my eye paint "Stilife" [sic]
Now the question is, do I have time to read the HB thread before the axe falls....
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I tell you what, these threads aren't half making me want to go clothes shopping.
Why would the HB thread be axed? It is entirely pleasant and civilised for the most part. I wish I could post there of course but I am waiting confirmation of my new login.
Today I amlooking blandly corporate. Dark suit, white shirt, sedate tie. It's basically the same outfit I was wearing when the two gays for Fairy Godfather got me up on stage and humiliated me for ten minutes in a room full of pretty girls. Not that I'm bitter about the experience, but I have taken to going out gay bashing of a Friday night. For that, I wear stone washed denim accessorised by a baseball bat with a nail in it.
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quote:Originally posted by kovacs: As I can't get onto Handbag
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Would you like to share the joke with us Helen. My vintage 2001-2 "Kovacs" account on HB has finally been disabled, perhaps thru lack of use. I am not likely to be using "Janson" or "Dave-Saint" on there anymore.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Why would the HB thread be axed? It is entirely pleasant and civilised for the most part. I wish I could post there of course but I am waiting confirmation of my new login.
Not what I meant. The axe falling was a reference to work, not to HB. btw. What's the thread called? Do you have a link?
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My fortune cookie's empty... That's also the title of my autobiography.
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Awww Kovacs is Janson no more?
I must have missed that. My trips to handbag have been more than infrequent of late.
Did he go out in style?
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The thread is called something like "How does it feel to be famous" but it seems bad form to create a link loop from here to HB and back.
The "Janson" login could still be active but it just carries a cloud with it. The last "Janson" posts on Handbag claimed that someone had mailed my management at work with links to my Handbag threads, and that I'd been suspended after a meeting that morning where they confronted me with printouts of my time-wasting and inappropriate online activities. An exciting thread at the time.
Sushiflower from handbag here, I thought I'd clear a few thing up...
Berry print mini hobo: A hobo is kind of a slouchy shoulder bag. Berry print either means it’s a got a berry pattern, or the pattern is predominantly in a berry colour.
Taupey: As you would say ‘greeny something’ you’d say ‘taupey something’. Although I’m not sure if its an actual word?
Ruching: Shirring (kind of gathering of fabric) which is good to accentuate or disguise certain areas. For example, ruching under the bust accentuates it. A good example of shirring in all its glory is the Juicy Couture (a brand) dress. Which can be seen here; http://images.shopbop.com/JUICY1386-M.jpg
Salmon: A corally pink.
Kick flare: A flare which is narrow at the knee, but ‘kicks out’ into a flare.
7FAMK: Seven For All Mankind is a brand of jeans which are incredibly flattering and some in lots of different styles. At one point they were the ’It’ jean, but now they’re more of a classic. For the basics look here; www.sevenforallmankind.com They are expensive in the UK, averaging around the £150 mark, but I personally buy mine from US websites, or ebay for sometimes less than half the price.
Racer back: A sleeveless top whose straps kind of come together at the back. Named so I believe because a lot of swimsuits have racer backs. Here’s an example; http://tinyurl.com/4gllg
Court shoes: Generally a simple heeled style, like this; http://tinyurl.com/5rtvz Usually pointy, but they don't have to be.
Bandeau top: Like a boob tube, but generally just around the bust.
Teal pointelle knit shrug: Teal is a bluey greeny colour. Pointelle is a fabric with teeny holes in, in a pattern (often seen on thermal underwear), like this; http://tinyurl.com/6a5vq Knit means its knitted, and a shrug is like a short cardigan, or shawl, like this; http://tinyurl.com/4lfzk
C&C: Someone has already explained this one. It’s a brand of very good quality basic t-shirts, top and sweatshirts. They can be seen here; www.candccalifornia.com They aren’t cheap but are worth it. Although as with 7FAMK, I buy mine on ebay or from the US, as the UK £55 asking price is a bit too much imo.
Bucket bag: A style of bag, generally a shoulder bag, open at the top and with a studyish base, kind of bucket shaped. Example; http://tinyurl.com/5b8qs
Assymetrical hem and collar: Asymmetric is basically not straight. If you see a skirt longer one side than the other it’s asymmetric.
Chestnut Uggs: Uggs are a style of sheepskin boot originally from Australia. Australians would, years and years ago, tie bits of sheepskin around their feet to keep them warm, and they called these ’ugly boots’. Over the years they evolved into actual boots, and ugly boots was shortened to ‘Uggs’. A US company is trying to stop traditional Australian ugg manufacturers from calling their boots Uggs, as they have registered it as a brand name, causing outrage. Here are some chestnut (in colour) Uggs; http://tinyurl.com/4luk3 They were the ‘It’ boot last year, but like 7FAMK are becoming classic, due to their comfort factor.
Gypsy skirt: A floaty, often tiered skirt, sometimes with embroidery. Like this; http://tinyurl.com/68qrb but usually shorter.
Disc belt: A belt generally made of leather, consisting of lots of large discs attached together. Like this;http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/d1/8f/12_1.JPG Very popular recently, as worn by Kate Moss and Sienna Miller.
Tan Fryes: Frye is an American brand of work boot, and can be seen at www.fryeboots.com . The Campus style is very trendy at the moment (although it is aclassic style), and when people on handbag refer to Fryes, this is usually the style they‘re talking about. Tan obviously refers to colour. They’re £250 ish in the UK, but M&S do a good copy for about £80.
Brora: A cashmere brand, selling good quality cashmere at not too high prices. www.brora.co.uk
Boogie bag: A style of bag designed by Celine. http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/f8/6a/29_12_sb.JPG A classic style, retails around £650 for a basic leather. There are some good imitations floating around.
MJ-esque hobo: MJ refers to a designer, Marc Jacobs. MJ-esque means in the style of MJ. The most often referred to MJ designs are the ones with brightly coloured leathers and quite heavy hardware. They are good quality, pretty classic bags which retail in the UK for £450+. A hobo is a kind of slouchy shoulder bag. Here is a pic of my MJ hobo; http://tinypic.com/unacg
Black vintage lace clutch: Vintage is generally from another generation, technically pre 1980, I think. Black is obviously the colour, and you know what lace is. A clutch bag is usually a small bag with either no strap, or sometimes one that may go around your wrist.
Dark green and white print chiffon top with split back and short puff sleeves and dark green camisole underneath: A top made of chiffon ( a light, sometimes sheer fabric, usually with more than one layer) with a print in green & white. I’m assuming a split back, mean there’s a split up the back and it has short sleeves which kind of puff up as opposed to sitting against the skin (think Snow White). A camisole is a slinky vest, formally underwear, but now more popular as outerwear. Like this; http://store.shopbop.com/product_images/GOLD18-M.jpg
'Platinum' long cardi: Platinum is a very light silvery grey, and a long cardi is a long cardigan.
Cap sleeved: Very similar to puff sleeved, but less puffy.
Diamante brooch: A brooch with rhinestones.
Threadbare vest top: Ok, you know what a vest top is. Threadbare is a very thin cottony fabric, hard to describe. It’s usually quite sheer.
Blue fender plectrum earrings: Plectrum earrings are like guitar plectrums as earrings. See them here; www.tattydevine.com
Slouchy handheld bag: Picture a hobo with a very short strap so it can only be held by hand.
Mottled olive green: An olive green, with a patchy, kind of distressed effect.
Gathered cuffs and sides: Similar to ruching.
Long line slash neck jumper: A slash neck goes straight across the neck in a horizontal line, and is usually quite wide. Ling line means its just a be longer than usual.
Weave belt with gold disc buckle: A belt made of a material which is a few strips weaved together, with a buckle that’s gold in the shape of a disc.
Ruched knee highs: Knee highs are generally knee high boots (although it could refer to socks). Ruching on boots gives quite a nice effect.
Bone cufff: A cuff is a thick bracelet, usually solid, or a thick band of material. Thisone is made of real or imitation bone.
Stone blazer: A beigey blazer.
Kitten-heel boots with ribbon-ties: kitten heels are thin low heels, usually about an inch high. Ribbon ties means there are ribbons somewhere on the boots which are tied, not necessarily in bows.
Balenciagas in pink and turquoise: Balenciaga is a designer, most commonly known for their Le Dix (motorcycle) bag. If someoens talking about a Balencaiga, they usually mean this bag; http://tinyurl.com/4sgr3 They are about £650 to buy, but you can get some good imitations for $99 from www.lushfashions.com . They are seen on a lot of celebrities but are a classic.
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Thanks for the effort, sushiflower, but this had already been explained in the fourth and fifth post of the thread.
I wonder if there's a poetic way to describe "giant hole in heel of tights" in a manner that would please kovacs? Or whether any of the following could be rendered textually sensuous:
black shoes black tights grey skirt red jumper
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quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Thanks for the effort, sushiflower, but this had already been explained in the fourth and fifth post of the thread.
And there I was thinking this thread might actually not be taking the piss out of us, and that you might actually be interested in what these things you claim not to know what they mean actually do mean.
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Im being brainwashed! Im starting to think spending £150 on a pair of jeans will make me superhott!
...oh no, its ok, they have a realy poncey website, I dont like them after all. I thought there would be a bit saying stuff like If you have a big arse you need these ones....but if you have stumpy little legs you want these ones... I cant find that bit though. Rubbish.
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I don't think it's taking the piss to point out that it's polite to read threads properly before contributing.
I'm guessing that kovacs didn't really want a list of explanations; he could have got that from googling or a dictionary. What he wanted (and mostly got) was a discussion on the terminology and status of fashion. And some bits where girls post what pants they're wearing today.
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I did read the thread, and I think you'll find that if you reread the posts you are referring to you will find that not all were defined, and some which were were defined incorrectly.
Why bother posting a list of terminology if you aren't interested in knowing what it means?
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Well, maybe kovacs gobbled down the lists like an Atomic Kitten guzzling man-cock, but I found my eyes glazing over. Like revising lists of French vocab for tests.
I hope the point of the thread was discussion, not listing.
By the by, I only heard the word "taupe" a few years ago, out of the mouth of my gay American boss. I always thought he'd made it up, or that people from Tenessee couldn't cope with the word "biege". Now I know it is real!
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quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poetess: Well, maybe kovacs gobbled down the lists like an Atomic Kitten guzzling man-cock, but I found my eyes glazing over. Like revising lists of French vocab for tests.
Someone (not me) did post a link to this thread on the HB Fashion board frequented by Sushiflower, which did rather invite her response with more precise definitions than any of us could offer. Or rather definitions from someone who was specifically named in Kovacs' original post. So her fulsome response was perfectly justified I think.
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I realise, that I dressed like an Emo kid last weekend. For this, there can be no greater punishment than throwing myself down a flight of stairs. Fashion? I (am) shit (at) it.
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Followers of fashion might be excited to know that I named a shoe today! It is called "Jane". It has a bold floral design, flat rubber sole, and a leather upper. Looks good in Saraha/Rosa
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quote:Originally posted by OJ: Someone (not me) did post a link to this thread on the HB Fashion board frequented by Sushiflower, which did rather invite her response with more precise definitions than any of us could offer. Or rather definitions from someone who was specifically named in Kovacs' original post. So her fulsome response was perfectly justified I think. [/QB]
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Thank you, Sushiflower. It would be impossible to argue that your first post above was redundant, as your definitions were fuller than anyone else's and did offer clearer and more concise information (with links!) than anyone else's early contribution.
Personally I appreciate you coming across from HB Fashion in good spirit. When you see "your" forum being discussed elsewhere, the immediate and most understandable response is hostility and defensiveness, so I think it's nice that you posted with something genuinely helpful.
VP is right that the thread developed into a discussion and became more than just "what do these words mean", but I couldn't have known it would have become that interesting when I began it.
quote:Originally posted by sushiflower: At one point they were the ’It’ jean, but now they’re more of a classic
Vintage is generally from another generation, technically pre 1980, I think.
This does worry and amuse me. Seriously, what's the most recent "classic" item? What is the final boundary between "contemporary" and "historical", in fashion terms? I know the cycle turns scarily swiftly these days, but for 1979 to be treated as equivalent in fashion terms to, say, 1920 (all "vintage") is pretty striking. At what point did 7FAMK stop being "it" and become "classic"?
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