quote:Originally posted by ralph: lol. So where's my incentive to make more money? I'll just go on the dole and let the rich support me! Woo hoo!
Well, if you get on the dole you will probably end up being given a much smaller amount. I believe over here it is about £45 a week which amounts to £2340 a year or just over $3500 at todays exchange rate.
I suspect that even under Obama's tax regime you will probably be taking home more than $3500 a year and you will also be helping out people who earn less. It's all good really.
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Some people say it's OK to work and have hobbies.
And your "Stop paying money on deadbeats".... So scrap welfare. All those people in the auto industry who have been working hard but are now living in Detroit where there is like 7 jobs left have to go through the bins to eat now?
Welfare is there to help people who are unable to work for whatever reason. Yes, some people take advantage of that and don't ever work through choice, but I believe most governments attempt to stop that happening and actually use the welfare to help people out who need it.
Single mums for example. It is quite hard for them to go out and earn a living while staying at home looking after the child that Nick Cave fathered and then left without paying any child support, so I think that it shouldn't be too much of an issue that some of "your" money goes to helping them out.
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quote:Originally posted by ralph: KEEP THE TAX RATE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW!!!!!
Why would you want to keep it the way it is when 95% of your country will have more money because of Obama's propsed tax cuts? That is more money in the pockets of people who are likely to go out and spend it which should help the economy.
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quote:Originally posted by McDirts: Anyhow Roy, it's either pay those taxes or keep increasing that National Debt... what's it gonna be?
How about we CUT SPENDING ON DEADBEATS AND KEEP THE TAX RATE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW!!!!!
The problem is that you can't get rich without other people being poor. You have to understand that you being able to afford nice things - even stuff as simple as food and petrol and a car - means that someone else somewhere along the line has suffered. So morally you have an obligation to give something back.
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quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: Welfare is there to help people who are unable to work for whatever reason. Yes, some people take advantage of that and don't ever work through choice, but I believe most governments attempt to stop that happening and actually use the welfare to help people out who need it.
I agree, but I personally know many people who play the system for all it's worth. Take my builder-buddy Brian for example. He works fulltime, but it's all in cash, so he reports very little income to the feds or the state. By doing that he's eligible for things like free healthcare and heating assistance....things that honest folk like myself have to pay for. So if the money was being spent on the needy I wouldn't have any issues with it...but a lot of it is going to people who are perfectly able to contribute to this great society and instead choose to suck it dry.
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So, if you're getting upset about these deadbeats, I assume you're reported Brian to the authorities? If not then you have absolutely no leg to stand on.
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quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: So, if you're getting upset about these deadbeats, I assume you're reported Brian to the authorities? If not then you have absolutely no leg to stand on.
Yeah right...and then have one of those I reported to the authorities show up at my door one night and beat the piss out of me. I don't think you and I live in the same world dude. Where I come from...you rat someone out and they come and get you. Plain and simple.
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Yeah Ralph, shop the mother to the feds, let him do a 3 - 5 stretch in the Big House getting banged up the slammer. No good deadbeat.
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quote:Originally posted by ralph: I don't think you and I live in the same world dude. Where I come from...you rat someone out and they come and get you.
quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: Or if you're not prepared to shop him in, why the fuck do you give him work? If it bothers you that much?
Heh...I've wrestetled with this moral dilemma for some time. I hired Brian because he was cheap. I couldn't have provided a safe home for my wife without him. I was screwed either way.
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You already admitted to me you hired him for some Brokeback Mountain style man love. That's why you've turned against him now, isn't it? This has nothing to do with welfare spongers and everything to do with him turning away from you.
quote:Originally posted by ralph: Heh...I've wrestetled with this moral dilemma for some time. I hired Brian because he was cheap. I couldn't have provided a safe home for my wife without him. I was screwed either way.
Well, OK. But in that case you're already benefitting from screwing the system... so I don't know what you're complaining about? It's like buying cheap TVs from some guy down the pub while condemning low-life burgulars.
If you're happy to take cheap labour - made cheap by tax avoidance - you can't then go and complain about how some people don't work honestly, or pay their taxes or sponge or whatever... because you're a part of that system. You support it, and benefit from it.
quote:Originally posted by Cherry In Hove: If you hadn't bothered to have your swimming pool put in, you could have hired a builder who does things by the book.
It's your own fault for insisting on a swimming pool.
A by the book builder would have cost me around $45 to $50 an hour. Illegal Brian cost me $15 and hour. You do the math.
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quote:Originally posted by Thorn Davis: If you're happy to take cheap labour - made cheap by tax avoidance - you can't then go and complain about how some people don't work honestly, or pay their taxes or sponge or whatever... because you're a part of that system. You support it, and benefit from it.
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quote:Originally posted by McDirts: You've sickened me to the point of imagining a world without the primal force of Nick Cave.
That would be the worst world ever. Look what you've done to McDirts, ralph. I'd be surprised if he has the strength to get up tomorrow morning just because of the chance that Nick Cave doesn't exist.
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You fool! There is no Martina, merely a sinister cabal of naysayers and Judases who whisper lies and deceit about taxes and swimming pools and man love but never acknowledge the man who made it all possible.
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quote:Originally posted by vikram: how can you possibly be against tax rises that benefit 95% of americans, especially in times like this?
lol. I see you've drank the kool-aid too. It is literally impossible to give a tax cut to 95% of Americans when 10% of Americans don't currently pay any taxes at all!
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Ok. Look at this logically for one second. Let's say you're part of a married couple making $300,000(US) per year. And let's for a moment assume that some of that income comes from a small rental property you own...let's say a 4 unit apartment building. You currently charge $1,000 a month for each of those four flats. So under Obama...your taxes suddenly increase. What are you going to do? Raise the fucking rent, that's what. So the poor slobs who are getting this great tax cut suddenly have to pay more for a place to live. So are they really getting a tax cut?
quote:Originally posted by ralph: It is literally impossible to give a tax cut to 95% of Americans when 10% of Americans don't currently pay any taxes at all!
I thought Oh-Barmer said it would benefit 95% of 'working families'.
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