quote:Originally posted by Black Mask: Why is this a touchy subject?
It isn't, though, is it?
The two people directly involved don't really post any more and the tone of most of the posts on this thread has been fairly jokey. Inventing taboos where there are none seems like a bit of a desperate gambit, even for a Tuesday.
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If anyone's still in any doubt as to the story, here's what I believe is Kovacs's version of events:
Kovacs and Roy are friends. Roy does not yet post on TMO. Kovacs and Roy go to a bar, have a few drinks and decide that it might be a bit of a laugh (or possibly some kind of macho life affirming experience) to have a fight. Roy launches into the fight with vigour and lands a glancing blow across one of Kovacs's delicate, pointy cheekbones, which shatters under the force of the impact. Kovacs then has to go to hospital and have some reconstructive surgery which leaves him with a permanently numb face and a plate in the cheek. Kovacs feels sheepish about this and perhaps out of some loyalty to Roy, decides not to tell anyone what really happened and makes up a story about being mugged. Possibly by a black.
Time passes
At some point, Roy joins TMO. This may or may not be after the second 'incident'. That wasn't totally clear. But at some point, Kovacs decides to meet up with Roy and clear the air about the whole face smashing thing. The evening goes relatively well and Roy is invited back to Chez Vacs. At some point in the evening, for reasons unknown (although it wouldn't take a huge stretch of the imagination to think it might be the result of some kind of antagonisation from Kovacs, no matter how unjustifiable the retaliation) Roy becomes enraged and threatens to hit Kovacs again. Modge steps in to break things up, and Roy is obliged to leave.
Roy posts on TMO and gains some popularity with the regulars, and is soon accepted as 'one of the gang'. Neither Kovacs or Roy mention anything about the incident, save to mention that they know each other from RL, and seem happy to co-exist on the boards. Kovacs then perceives that the reason Roy is so popular, is that people find his cheeky cockney hard-man antics quite amusing. When a thread is started which he sees as glorifying the kind of violence that resulted in him being injured, he decides he can no longer endure seeing his attacker lauded for his violent tendencies, and breaks his silence.
That's as much as I can gather from what Kovacs has said, and at no point did Roy actually disagree with anything Kovacs had said (although he didn't technically agree either). Because no clear resolution to the conflict was ever going to be realised, I think the right decision in that case was for Roy to leave the boards. Not for Kovacs's sake, but for Roy's, since the reputation of his character would be forever damaged. Or at the very least it'd be a subject constantly tip-toed around, making both Roy and the other forum members uncomfortable. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's my opinion and I stand by it.
I don't think it's really something which warrants a lot of discussion since all we have is one side of the story, and while we may ponder over the 'facts' or whether it might just be a rather bizare wind up, I don't think anyone will ever actually be satisfied by any conclusions we might come to collectively. So as I said in the thread at the time, I don't think it's really worth spending any time debating.
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You forgot the cocaine and the taking off of the glasses and the shirt and the 'kicking in' threats. They were t'best bits. You've obviously got an agenda.
A taboo would exist if most people on the board avoided the subject or warned others off it - one person not caring for others getting comedy value out of events in his life doesn't exactly constitute a taboo.
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A taboo would exist if most people on the board avoided the subject or warned others off it - one person not caring for others getting comedy value out of events in his life doesn't exactly constitute a taboo.
My point was that kovacs was trying to create a taboo. Make it unfit for discussion.
re comedy - can I refer you to kovacs' ethereal facial xray, and your StreetFighter riff. Where do the rest of us go to get a licence?
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quote:Originally posted by Carter: My point was that kovacs was trying to create a taboo. Make it unfit for discussion.
What a load of crap - that's like Snorton accusing me of trying to 'censor' him by ridiculing his views.
I don't get your problem, Carter. Kovacs has gone, more or less. He hasn't really posted for about four weeks now so I find it difficult to understand why people would want to get so much cutting edge humour out of shit-stirring what amounts to someone else's old news.
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I don't have a problem, ben. It obviously is worth discussing because, well, people are. You'll have to ask BM why he brought it up, although I think his first post explains that quite nicely.
re the humour - you still haven't explained why it's ok for you and fish, for example, to joke around it but others not?
Besides, I don't think it's all that funny. Just quite strange.
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Earlier this week, Dan Brown denied rumours that Roy was the inspiration for the fiendish fouls of Opus Dei in his new work, 'Da Winky Code'. He added that the hero, Kovacs Langdon, devilishly handsome professor of Religious Symbology at Harvard University was entirely a work of fiction.
Well, he would say that wouldn't he....
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I think Black Mask was trying to make a last stab at geeing up the forum. I suppose he's getting a thread out of it, but the subject matter doesn't exactly portend a gleaming future for the place.
The chunk of my post quoted by Black Mask was an attempt to get Roy to explain himself after Kovacs's side of the story was greeted with a stony silence. Quite a different thing from the jokes made taking the piss out of Kovacs, to the extent where some seemed to be positively gloating about the fact that Roy hit him.
Some of that same gloating tone seems to rise off some posts on this thread - as I said, nearly a month since Kovacs called it a day - and I personally find that a bit pathetic.
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quote:Originally posted by ben: Kovacs has gone, more or less.
I'll bet it's less, rather than more.
If it isn't a taboo ben then you are doing your best to discourage any conversation about it by labelling it as boring. People are interested perhaps because the situation is frankly so odd. I would definately say that branding this topic 'yesterdays news' or 'a shit idea' is very much a taboo in that three of you to my last count are suggesting it is.
quote: Some of that same gloating tone seems to rise off some posts on this thread - as I said, nearly a month since Kovacs called it a day - and I personally find that a bit pathetic.
quote:Originally posted by Kovacs posted 25-04-2006 12:31
Ok! LOL! Everyone shut up about my mate Kovacs now!
quote:Originally posted by doc d: do i win a prize?
No, but I don't think you can post here anymore. I think you have to spend your days at the Bricklayers Arms, drinking with Ray.
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If it isn't a taboo ben then you are doing your best to discourage any conversation about it by labelling it as boring. People are interested perhaps because the situation is frankly so odd. I would definately say that branding this topic 'yesterdays news' or 'a shit idea' is very much a taboo in that three of you to my last count are suggesting it is.
yay! this is a great thread idea! let's all discuss it! there is so much wisdom to be gained!
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quote:The Official Gospel of St Ben: And verily did kovacs rise after three days and ascendeth unto Heaven.
quote:The Lost Gospel of the Sodomites: And His disciples did weep and gnash their teeth, tear and rent their garments and jointly they did say 'thank fuck for that then'. For ever and ever, Amen
I can't help thinking I'm the only one taking this seriously.
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Look, you should probably invite Roy back to save the boards -- I agree, Darryn, that's what really matters here -- because this isn't even a place I want to read about anymore, let alone post. I'm sorry that some of you have shown yourselves to be, or to have become, shitty little individuals. I'm sorry that I ever gave some of you the time of day, to be honest.
I can scramble my own password and "kill" kovacs, I think, so there's no need for any nortonian nonsense about removing me from databases.
It's a shame it came to this after years of my investment in and enjoyment of TMO, but frankly your longest and best threads seem still to be about me anyway, so it will perhaps seem like I'm not gone.
quote:Originally posted by kovacs: Look, you should probably invite Roy back to save the boards -- I agree, Darryn, that's what really matters here -- because this isn't even a place I want to read about anymore, let alone post. I'm sorry that some of you have shown yourselves to be, or to have become, shitty little individuals. I'm sorry that I ever gave some of you the time of day, to be honest.
I can scramble my own password and "kill" kovacs, I think, so there's no need for any nortonian nonsense about removing me from databases.
It's a shame it came to this after years of my investment in and enjoyment of TMO, but frankly your longest and best threads seem still to be about me anyway, so it will perhaps seem like I'm not gone.
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Ringo has done a fair summary of events in his post.
I feel slightly uncomfortable discussing Roy when he has left the boards probably mainly because of me, but if there are things that people are unclear about I will be happy to try to answer any questions if it only leads to this whole situation being more resolved.
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quote:Originally posted by kovacs: I'm sorry that some of you have shown yourselves to be, or to have become, shitty little individuals. I'm sorry that I ever gave some of you the time of day, to be honest.
Who? Name names. There's been a bit of the usual TMO black humour about this, and some righteous twaddle from Ben, nothing more. What kind of reaction did you actually expect?
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I'm half expecting everybody to post "LOL! FAGUR! Fooled you!" But, if anyone does now, it will just confuse me further. The internet is so unsettling sometimes...
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